AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

i might disagree with all the respect i have, personally. AB did something very very foolish in the name of being the first to break the hot story — that’s no better than some of the more salacious tabloids we come across. journalism in these spaces have got to do better. these are real people going through the worst time of their lives.

not attacking you or op, just my opinion

If she rushed to run the story in order to be the first to break the hot story and didn't do due-diligence with cross-checking what she heard from a trusted source, that is problematic.

At the time, though, LE was searching the family member's house and the neighboring property, and it did seem that LE was checking things out very carefully with that family member.

She did make a mistake and I would hope that she learned to be more careful. Hopefully she also learned that the media have a great deal of power in conveying what is happening in a situation, and as a media person, one needs to recognize their own authority and do their reporting respectfully.

JMO

 

[CandyKiss]

The pacemaker sniffer is so advanced that I've seen several experts not know what it is.

Since you liked that you'll love this! Search for Gus Lamont and the use of AI to search more terrain than we can humanely do in a short time period. Fasinating article! How Australian AI helped in search for Gus Lamont

 

[Moonchime]

Imagine normalcy after this? Imagine letting your kids go sleepover at a friend's. Imagine staying alone. This is going to generate a lot of trauma and I sincerely hope they all get the necessary help after.

It's hard to fathom the amount of trauma this will have, no matter how it ends. It's unbelievably sad.

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

It will be the biggest let down if it doesnt yield something.

Maybe all of these updates about the DNA results are intended to scare the perpetrator(s). Knowing that the FBI and LE will soon have their DNA--and continually hearing about it--will likely create enormous fear with the perps and they may make desperate phone calls or rush somewhere that would then give FBI and LE more information to use to get a conviction. MOO

 

[Luna20]

If she rushed to run the story in order to be the first to break the hot story and didn't do due-diligence with cross-checking what she heard from a trusted source, that is problematic.

At the time, though, LE was searching the family member's house and the neighboring property, and it did seem that LE was checking things out very carefully with that family member.

She did make a mistake and I would hope that she learned to be more careful. Hopefully she also learned that the media have a great deal of power in conveying what is happening in a situation, and as a media person, one needs to recognize their own authority and do their reporting respectfully.

JMO

AB is going to learn the hard way if the family goes after her for slander.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Former CIA member and FBI special agent Tracy Walder tells Page Six of the methods used to clear the family, “Authorities have been able to alibi all of them and account for their whereabouts on that evening.

“They look at their cell phone data and figure out if it matches up to where they were. They also use license plate scanners to see if they’re driving at the time and if they’re caught on cameras.”

Exclusive | How cops ruled out Nancy Guthrie’s family in her disappearance — even without a suspect: experts

Authorities can “confidently” rule out Nancy’s family in the mysterious disappearance, according to an expert.

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[swanniee11]

These TMZ ransom notes (4 now) have been pretty widely discussed here. Is it necessary to re-source every time they are mentioned? Is there some point where it’s considered general knowledge for posting purposes? TIA for any guidance on that.

I'm not sure if they are in the "media thread" which can be found at the bottom of this thread, but maybe putting all of the MSM talk about them there so we can go back and remind ourselves what was said. Just a thought IMO Sorry, I don't have it in me tonight.

 

[cherryleaf]

DBM. Replies to wrong post. Apologies

 

[VegasGirl35]

I'm confused by the chain of custody as well, but if the FBI hasn't received samples so they can do their own testing, that is insane. What is the holdup? It's been days.

 

[shonyakay]

Agree. She had a source that she trusted who gave her the information she reported. Everybody was still a suspect at that time, and also at that time, LE was conducting searches in the property near that family member as well as in that family member's house. It's plausible that she was given correct information at that moment but then things changed somewhat rapidly.

It's got to be hard to be a media person who has to make decisions in the moment as to what is true and to be trusted, and what needs much more investigation before reporting on it.

JMO

The problem isn't that AB 's source told her this, or that they may have believed it, or that she may have believed it.

The problem is that she shared it publicly with her over 300,000 YT subscribers at a time when the investigation was in it's early stages.

I think she wanted to be the first to break the story, maybe believing that he was responsible and was going to be charged.

What's more important - the integrity of an investigation or being first for clout?

 

[maamager]

If she rushed to run the story in order to be the first to break the hot story and didn't do due-diligence with cross-checking what she heard from a trusted source, that is problematic.

snipped for brevity. i actually agree with you, but where we differ (imo) is that i fully believe AB didn’t have to / shouldn’t have posted that video. she chose to, as a veteran journalist, who is well aware of how pertinent and personal these cases unfold. she did it ( in my opinion) so she could be the first before anyone else. IDK her source, could be trusted, but boy does it look like that source really did her dirty

 

[Diddian]

I don't know a case where this same thing doesn't happen to the people closest to the victim. Yes, it sucks. But if I am a family member of a crime victim such as this - do what you have to do to clear me and get me out of the way - so you can move on to the real perps. The Sheriff added fuel to the fire by continuously saying they were NOT cleared until just hours ago., so no that did not help. IMO.

I don't recall AB calling him "guilty," but I may have missed it. I thought she was relaying what her "source" told her. (Not that I agreed with that either) But I never heard her come out and say he was guilty.

MOO>

IIRC, AB stated in her podcast that, according to her impeccable source, the person in question "is a prime suspect," and then she quickly corrected herself to say "may be a prime suspect." But at the same time, you had awareness that NG's family members were the last known people to see NG and to get her home before she disappeared, LE kept making return visits to that neighborhood to conduct searches and were reportedly asking neighbors questions about how well they knew/what they knew about NG's relatives there, and LE was seen conducting additional investigative work inside that family's home (and garage, IIRC). And the sheriff was emphasizing that no one was cleared (even as he in the past couple of days emphasized that all family has been cooperative). That is, while I think it was hard to "unhear" what AB stated, it seemed at least potentially supported by LE's actions and definitely not at odds with LE actions.

 

[milkshakedonkey]

I'm not sure if they are in the "media thread" which can be found at the bottom of this thread, but maybe putting all of the MSM talk about them there so we can go back and remind ourselves what was said. Just a thought IMO Sorry, I don't have it in me tonight.

I meant more in a general sense. I’ve just seen a few people ask for sources on things that were heavily discussed up-thread and don’t know the protocol. I like to understand the rules but that one didn’t seem obvious to me. Thanks for the response!

 

[cherryleaf]

The pacemaker sniffer is so advanced that I've seen several experts not know what it is.

Yes! Also I was also shocked at the video that was retrieved from backend systems. I’m not saying either are necessarily a bad thing as it’s proven to be somewhat helpful in this case,..but I really didn’t know these things even existed until now. Makes me wonder what else the Gov. has that we don’t know about. They’ve shown their hand to the public in this case to a degree imo. The technology is a good thing, yes, but kinda scary too. I feel like this has been done before, it’s just the first time the public got confirmation of it being done.

 

[txsleuth70]

Dbm

 

[MagicalMysteryTour]

Many sexual assault perpetrators target vulnerable individuals, with age as a more secondary factor (GSK had a large age range of victims)

In addition, there have been serial sexual assault perpetrators in the past that have exhibited gerontophilia, a paraphilia wherein a person is sexually or romantically attracted to an older partner usually 70+ years. For this time of sexual assault perpetrator, an elderly person is their preferred target.

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

Federal holiday tho, maybe.

Good point. Although a private lab may have been open today.

Interestingly enough, FBI and LE have been swabbing people, including the Friday night people who were temporarily detained, and they may already have the DNA of the person who wore and then discarded the gloves.

Since we're eager to have FBI and LE have these DNA results and LE keeps updating information about these results, I imagine the perpetrators are feeling very stressed right now. JMO

 

[Bluewing3102]

Yes! Also I was also shocked at the video that was retrieved from backend systems. I’m not saying either are necessarily a bad thing as it’s proven to be somewhat helpful in this case,..but I really didn’t know these things even existed until now. Makes me wonder what else the Gov. has that we don’t know about. They’ve shown their hand to the public in this case to a degree imo. The technology is a good thing, yes, but kinda scary too. I feel like this has been done before, it’s just the first time the public got confirmation of it being done.

This wasn't gov technology. It was google a.k.a private sector. FBI most likely needed to serve a warrant to Google in order for engineers to be able to retrieve footage from backend. When you buy products or download apps you give up certain data privileges to these companies. Hence the terms & agreements. Data x Privacy is a MAJORRRR ethical dilemma in the tech world right now.

 

[cathathorse]

I still don't understand why DNA testing from a roadside glove is eliciting regular updates to the public.

It's weird, especially when they haven't given detailed updates about any of the other DNA. And I also don't really understand the hold up-- do they have to send the actual sample back and have the FBI re-test it? That would seem unlikely. It seems like the genomic sequence would be in a file format that could be uploaded to a portal that Arizona or the sheriff's office uses and then downloaded and sent to the FBI. There is a whole field of bioinformatics that does this...

 

[justwannahelp]

I'm not sure if there's been any discussion of the suspect's shoes. I went through the footage and grabbed a few screenshots. A couple of things stood out to me:

1. No visible laces
2. Flat heel/ molded platform sole
3. Traditional-style moc toe construction
4. Contrasting outsole, likely rubber
5. Toe spring (or bumper)
6. Non-leather material. Probably canvas or mesh.

I don't know how helpful it is, but the closest match I could find was the Carhartt Men's Haslett Moc Toe Boot in black canvas..

(FWIW, I used to sell shoes)
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Since you sold shoes, you know they don’t sell Carhartt at Walmart. So this part of his “outfit” if Carhartt is not from Walmart