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The amount of LE hours going into this is incredible. Not complaining. JMO.
i agree. Not complaining at all I want to see this solved. But I do wonder if it's because of how heinous this was. Clearly a planned abduction. I know the guy they got on video seemed amateur, but I do wonder if he had one job which was to look for a camera and remove it. And clearly they're not amateurs because a million fbi agents are investigating and have not been successful yet.

Savannah looked rough yesterday. This whole thing is so damn sad I cannot even fathom if this was my mother. I think I'd be catatonic. I truly think that is also why so much is going into this and the whole world is caring about it. Not out of morbid curiosity but because we truly want justice and answers for the poor family😔. I cannot imagine if it goes unsolved… how does the family survive? I know even if it does get solved it is still horrible but having no closure would be truly unimaginable.
 
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so another move by the sheriff that seems so odd
 
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Someone posted photos of the Subaru from when it was being towed earlier. It looks like there’s some previous damage to the front end of the car.
Yes it does look damaged.
 
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Hello. I'm following along , and I watched Brian Entin on News Nation and he did a tour of NG's neighborhood which I thought was very well done.
 
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I'm not sure if there's been any discussion of the suspect's shoes. I went through the footage and grabbed a few screenshots. A couple of things stood out to me:

1. No visible laces
2. Flat heel/ molded platform sole
3. Traditional-style moc toe construction
4. Contrasting outsole, likely rubber
5. Toe spring (or bumper)
6. Non-leather material. Probably canvas or mesh.

I don't know how helpful it is, but the closest match I could find was the Carhartt Men's Haslett Moc Toe Boot in black canvas..

(FWIW, I used to sell shoes)

The first thing that I thought when seeing him in motion is that he was wearing only socks because it looked like I could make out his toes moving. Someone else mentioned that as well. I thought to myself at the time that that was pretty smart on his part if that was the case, because a sock seems like it would be a good buffer between leaving a footprint or shoe print.

In any case, your pictures do look like he is wearing a shoe, so not a bad idea to discern whether he is or is not, and if so the make and model.

JMO.
 
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<modsnip>NG's car WAS NOT damaged.
It was a glare hitting the body lines of the car.
<modsnip>

IMG_5472.webp

Please watch this link at 2:45
 
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I'm not sure if there's been any discussion of the suspect's shoes. I went through the footage and grabbed a few screenshots. A couple of things stood out to me:

1. No visible laces
2. Flat heel/ molded platform sole
3. Traditional-style moc toe construction
4. Contrasting outsole, likely rubber
5. Toe spring (or bumper)
6. Non-leather material. Probably canvas or mesh.

I don't know how helpful it is, but the closest match I could find was the Carhartt Men's Haslett Moc Toe Boot in black canvas..

(FWIW, I used to sell shoes)
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In some pictures it looks like the shoes are totally covered by fabric, like they are incorporated in the pants or separate shoe covers. But, In that last picture it looks like the the soles are visible.
 
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These TMZ ransom notes (4 now) have been pretty widely discussed here. Is it necessary to re-source every time they are mentioned? Is there some point where it’s considered general knowledge for posting purposes? TIA for any guidance on that.
I provided a source but I was thinking it would really clean up things if we didn't have to cite or source the same things repeatedly?
 
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I’m surprised we have any information as to whether or not the DNA has been entered into CODIS. I’m not used to LE sharing a blow by blow of their investigation. Sure, if they need footage from residents’ cameras, or have identified someone that they need to speak to and ask for the public’s help, I can see them putting out a request.

Did they find DNA at the house that would absolutely be tied to the crime? In order to clear the family, would you have to be positive that no one connected to a family member is a suspect? I understand that WS is a victim friendly site and family members should be treated as victims. I’m just trying to understand the elimination of all family members while there still appears to be no profile of who did this.

It was only stated Siblings and spouses...

So this doesn't include say, a niece just for example, a bit farther removed from immediate family.
 
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This is way beyond frustrating. What is earth is “quality control”, and how long does it take?? The last I heard was up to 24 hours. That glove went out days ago.
Argh…

I’m hoping to hear some details about DNA from the guest who is on Tricia’s podcast tonight. 8:30CST

The dna details have been too choppy for me to understand. It seems we are getting two narratives on it.
 
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I still don't understand why DNA testing from a roadside glove is eliciting regular updates to the public.
It will be the biggest let down if it doesnt yield something.
 
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i might disagree with all the respect i have, personally. AB did something very very foolish in the name of being the first to break the hot story — that’s no better than some of the more salacious tabloids we come across. journalism in these spaces have got to do better. these are real people going through the worst time of their lives.

not attacking you or op, just my opinion :-)
If she rushed to run the story in order to be the first to break the hot story and didn't do due-diligence with cross-checking what she heard from a trusted source, that is problematic.

At the time, though, LE was searching the family member's house and the neighboring property, and it did seem that LE was checking things out very carefully with that family member.

She did make a mistake and I would hope that she learned to be more careful. Hopefully she also learned that the media have a great deal of power in conveying what is happening in a situation, and as a media person, one needs to recognize their own authority and do their reporting respectfully.

JMO
 
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Imagine normalcy after this? Imagine letting your kids go sleepover at a friend's. Imagine staying alone. This is going to generate a lot of trauma and I sincerely hope they all get the necessary help after.
It's hard to fathom the amount of trauma this will have, no matter how it ends. It's unbelievably sad.
 
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It will be the biggest let down if it doesnt yield something.
Maybe all of these updates about the DNA results are intended to scare the perpetrator(s). Knowing that the FBI and LE will soon have their DNA--and continually hearing about it--will likely create enormous fear with the perps and they may make desperate phone calls or rush somewhere that would then give FBI and LE more information to use to get a conviction. MOO
 
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If she rushed to run the story in order to be the first to break the hot story and didn't do due-diligence with cross-checking what she heard from a trusted source, that is problematic.

At the time, though, LE was searching the family member's house and the neighboring property, and it did seem that LE was checking things out very carefully with that family member.

She did make a mistake and I would hope that she learned to be more careful. Hopefully she also learned that the media have a great deal of power in conveying what is happening in a situation, and as a media person, one needs to recognize their own authority and do their reporting respectfully.

JMO

AB is going to learn the hard way if the family goes after her for slander.
 
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Former CIA member and FBI special agent Tracy Walder tells Page Six of the methods used to clear the family, “Authorities have been able to alibi all of them and account for their whereabouts on that evening.

“They look at their cell phone data and figure out if it matches up to where they were. They also use license plate scanners to see if they’re driving at the time and if they’re caught on cameras.”
 
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I'm confused by the chain of custody as well, but if the FBI hasn't received samples so they can do their own testing, that is insane. What is the holdup? It's been days.
 

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