• #32,861
it's possible the perps explained to NG that they were taking her but would look after her until a ransom was paid.
I would like to think that would be the case, but after 3 weeks, nobody has received any proof of life.
Surely that would be needed to keep the ransom money more of a possibility (from the kidnappers perspective)
 
  • #32,862
I thought this was interesting.

“You have to keep the press at arm’s length,” Carrillo said. “You keep your secrets close to the vest. We owe (the press) nothing. They’re listening to it, but so is the suspect or suspects involved following it. And we in law enforcement don’t want them to know what we’re doing.”

Rampant misinformation can be roadblock for investigators in Nancy Guthrie case​

As details remain limited from authorities, misinformation runs rampant online​


 
  • #32,863
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From this pic, it looks like there may be a doormat underneath, which makes it seem like it IS a sliding door.

Hard to say if it is slightly open, or is it just the screen that is not all the way closed. But I do see what you see about it appearing open.

Where I got this pic from: Fox10phoenix link
Obviously a sliding door. You wouldn't have a mat for wiping your feet outside a non-opening window.
 
  • #32,864
My mom’s elderly MIL was taken advantage of a couple years ago. She was 86yo and living alone at the time. She had been contacted many times by overseas scam artists, but one finally worked. A man called impersonating a LEO and said her granddaughter was being incarcerated for some bogus crime. He put her “granddaughter” on the phone crying, begging to help get cash for the bail. She actually thought this was real! They wanted $25k cash, but the bank only let her withdrawal $10k. The scammers said for her to drop it off at a specific location, but she said she refused and they had to pick it up at her house. They actually send someone to the house to pick up the cash! It was recorded on her ring camera. The family figured it out and reported it. Police set up a sting operation to catch the guy, but the car was a rental, phone was a burner, and the guy was just a money runner with no info on who he was working for oversees. This happens ALL THE TIME! The scarier part was he groomed her for a while and knew things about her family.

I wonder if NG had received any weird calls or had scam attempts. They prey on elderly people. It’s so common now!
The APS card makes me wonder. I'm not elderly, but if I was and I got financially scammed, I'm not sure I would tell my family and friends. I suppose it's situational.
 
  • #32,865
Maybe in earpiece. Maybe just talking loudly through the window beside the door.

"Not there 'ya dummy, go further out and step down, THERE - to your right!"

(ETA: I hope they swabbed the interior of the window beside the door opening.)
If some one was talking to him through the door, would he have gone to knock it like we see him do right before “noticing” the camera?
 
  • #32,866
I totally agree about the absurdity of much of this situation, but to me it seems like they may believe there's some validity to the messages so they are giving him a stage to encourage communication? I actually believe they are genuine. The messages that have subsequently been sent to only TMZ are more dubious to me. MOO
Unfortunately, we’ve only heard from “TMZ email guy” and not the original ransom letter that police believed to have validity. The original ransom has had no correspondence or way to communicate and it’s been awhile now. That makes me wonder if she passed away and he can’t prove she’s alive for ransom. Or if it was something fake? It’s also weird to be going to the media with these notes and not to the family or even Savannah.
 
  • #32,867
The APS card makes me wonder. I'm not elderly, but if I was and I got financially scammed, I'm not sure I would tell my family and friends. I suppose it's situational.
We only found out because the bank called her son about her wanting to pull out more cash. He’s on her account as an overseer.
However, most don’t tell. I just know scamming or getting information out of the elderly isn’t difficult these day and so many capitalize on it.
 
  • #32,868
Was a glove found in NG’s house? I see people saying this again. I thought that was debunked.
 
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Makes no sense. Just makes no sense. Whether she was walking, being carried, in a wheelchair, on a stretcher, dead, alive, whatever the case - it would've been much easier, more efficient, and far less risky/chance of being seen, if NG was removed from the back of the house where it was level ground and no steps. And then easily walked/carried/led around the corner/gate by the garage to a waiting vehicle.

So why the front door? Why the narrow path? Why the steps? Did he want to be seen? Was this a production?

JMO.
 
  • #32,871
I sadly can’t imagine she is alive. Hope the meth head is caught asap.
 
  • #32,872
Makes no sense. Just makes no sense. Whether she was walking, being carried, in a wheelchair, on a stretcher, dead, alive, whatever the case - it would've been much easier, more efficient, and far less risky/chance of being seen, if NG was removed from the back of the house where it was level ground and no steps. And then easily walked/carried/led around the corner/gate by the garage to a waiting vehicle.

So why the front door? Why the narrow path? Why the steps? Did he want to be seen? Was this a production?

JMO.
I wonder if it's because the driveway would be easier to pull into and then out of from the front door. I just looked at an aerial view and the driveway is kind of circular in one area. Someone could pull in without having to back out.

I'm attaching the link to where the photo appeared. Editing to add: in the 2nd photo I've marked a black arrow illustrating what I mean by it being a circular driveway.

 

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I wonder if it's because the driveway would be easier to pull into and then out of from the front door. I just looked at an aerial view and the driveway is kind of circular in one area. Someone could pull in without having to back out.

I'm attaching the link to where the photo appeared.


Yes that's how I viewed it until now when I looked the aerials over again, but there is plenty of room in the main drive to turn a vehicle around and load her up from the back. And far less likely to have obstacles like steps, etc. It also seems they entered from the back too. The perp in the video comes around the corner from the main drive when he enters the front porch area. We don't see a vehicle at the front circle drive in that video. So where is it? Probably on the side by the back where it appears he/they entered the home initially, and from whence direction he came to the front porch.

So why take the risk of bringing her out the front if your car is in the main drive (and you'd have to move it before getting her out the front)? Especially if it is closer to her bedroom, and most importantly, WIDE and FLAT.

And if you had time to move your car to the front, and you were operating alone, that doesn't bode well for NG's condition when she was removed.

It makes no sense.

JMO.
 
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  • #32,874
Lord, if I ever go missing — for better or worse — please don't let it happen in Pima County, AZ.

Another night praying for the Guthrie's. I don't ever want my family to feel this family's pain.
 
  • #32,875
has this been posted today ?
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  • #32,876
There is a Walmart and Walmart warehouse smack dab in the middle of Nogales, Mexico. I hope they are looking at purchases there too, even though that might present jurisdictional issues.

JMO.
 
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ADMIN NOTE:

Please move on from the posts criticizing Sheriff Nanos.

The Sheriff's brother died just after Nancy's case broke. Websleuths believes in compassion for those who are grieving. If you don't have compassion, we can't instill that in you. We'll just remove your post.

SB
 
  • #32,879
Makes no sense. Just makes no sense. Whether she was walking, being carried, in a wheelchair, on a stretcher, dead, alive, whatever the case - it would've been much easier, more efficient, and far less risky/chance of being seen, if NG was removed from the back of the house where it was level ground and no steps. And then easily walked/carried/led around the corner/gate by the garage to a waiting vehicle.

So why the front door? Why the narrow path? Why the steps? Did he want to be seen? Was this a production?

JMO.
In and out from the garage could have been even easier?
 
  • #32,880
Could Nancy’s blood have been from a stress nosebleed, rather than a deliberate injury?
I know children can bleed profusely due to spontaneous nosebleeds, but haven’t actually heard of elderly people suffering from similar.

I’m not sure if the blood on her porch would have a spray pattern in places if it was a spontaneous stress nose bleed. I’d think it would just be drops but I’m not an expert. Spray to me says impact rather than naturally occurring?
 

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