AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[moonglow123]

I think it’s very telling that the RR that was seized in Fridays raid is still in possession.

If anyone would like to hear that brief discussion here is a link to Brian E. From last night. Them speaking about the raid Starts around 27:00 min mark.

Thank you for sharing. Agree, the Range Rover still being in LE possession is very telling. Definitely feel as though they're working towards something or have an idea in mind of what may have happened...

 

[penguinface]

Still can’t get past he used the FRONT DOOR to enter…when there is an accessible back yard. It’s like he wanted to be seen. Did I miss a post on the back not being accessible?

I don’t think any official sources have claimed he used the front door to enter, unless I’ve missed something?

JMO

 

[Former Reporter]

I'm a mandated reporter because of my job, so I've called APS and CPS in the past for various reasons. I wouldn't think that a layperson would call APS in this situation; it's really not an APS situation. I believe that most people's understanding is that protective services are for abuse or neglect.

Maybe the call is unrelated to NG being missing; in my state it generally takes a couple of days for protective services to come out. Maybe the neighbor saw the bruising on NG's arm and thought she was being abused?

I'm also a mandated reporter, so I may be viewing the APS/NG connection through that lens...JMO.

 

[joe jones]

and learning the blue item of clothing just left in NG front garden was used by the dog trackers as a scent for the dogs is another WTF moment for me, sloppy work produces sloppy results IMO


Clip from Ashleigh Banfield about blue shirt found on Nancy's walkway (added by Tricia)

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[Skigh]

If a neighbor hadn't seen NG in awhile and was worried about her, she/he might have called to err on the side of caution. My elderly grandfather lived alone after my grandmother died and wasn't in the best of health and this happened at least twice with him. JMO

Nancy's daughter visited almost daily ,she had a close knit group of friends,maintenance people regularly worked there Surely if a neighbour was involved enough with Nancy's life to worry about not seeing her then they would know other people would immediately act if Nancy went missing.
If reported after she went missing they must have seen all the police activity.

 

[loves2readhistory]

Hopefully they treated the inside of her house with much more care than they did the outside. I literally saw with my own eyes a reporter walking up to the blood stains because it was not taped off. Why in the world it wasn't taped off I don't know. Just letting people walk up on the scene right where the perp was! and not only that there is recorded evidence of this happening, so yes a defense attorney will love that. It's not someone saying "someone walked up here" - it is on video.

It's always better to be safe than sorry when such a serious crime is being investigated. So, let's hope the inside of her house was treated more professionally. It's hard for people to have confidence when they see how the outside of the home was treated.

Even in this video Brian Entin says something to the effect 'now that the crime scene is cleared we can get a little closer.' (time stamp 2:30) This was on just day 3. They sent officers back there repeatedly after this. IMO the scene should have been shut off until they have their perp(s). Again, better to be safe than sorry when there could be a trial in the future. I thought roping off the scene was just basic LE protocol, but what do I know. I know I've watched a lot of trials and this could pose a problem or at the very least give the defense something to fire back with. Defense attorneys love to go after the police investigation. Try not to give them a reason to. No investigation is perfect because people are not perfect, but letting random people walk all over her property before she is found and before they have their perp(s) is concerning. Again, only my opinion.
edit: spelling error
JMO

The disruption and pollution of the Ramsey crime scene make a forensic search almost impossible from what I remember…
The local LE had tracked around the outside of the house when searching for JonBenet and made any footprints from an intruder that night impossible to discern. The inside of the house was totally compromised. And letting the family stay inside the house was HUGE mistake since they should have been considered suspects from the get go
IMO and based on my memory of the case investigation/critiques.

 

[steff13]

Who said a neighbor called APS—NG was in the news—some district manager thought we can be proactive and show our agency is thinking ahead for a senior going through a harrowing situation. They self-generated the call based on the news stories—
They had no way of knowing how long the investigation might take. Maybe they thought it was a dementia person wandering in the night initially.

The sheriff said it.

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[acutename]

I have another question. Is there x-ray technology available to use on photos to reveal underneath the layers that this person is wearing?

do not think that makes "technological sense" because an xray captures subsurface details by shooting radiation into the body- if the door camera was not an xray (yeah, we do not have those at least commercially available! when they scan you at the airport, they notify you) the details were not captured in the picture so they do not exist. IMO. (If it were that simple, you would never go to a radiologist- just stand in front of your door bell camera. And get over exposed to radiation as well....) While I am pontificating, I have not really understood people "divining" what is under the mask either though I understand you can get eye distance, facial shape, size, to some extent.

 

[ab01]

From the beginning there was no search for NG. The sheriff and FBI were centered on Who Done It with inside the home searches, outside the home, cameras, family interviews, computer searches and a Door Dash guy miles away. Nothing to find the missing NG. Why no organized Tucson searches? No community involvement.

Because they already knew the chances she was alive were extremely slim due to the details from the crime scene?

 

[MCB1151]

I can see I have made a grave mistake being absent for a few days/900 pages. I'm trying to locate a post or something that can tell me what we KNOW right now. I've been trying to keep up via the news, but I wanna know what Websleuths know/suspect now. This has been a crazy active case over the past few days. Can someone either post a run down or direct me to the last run down post?

 

[Jade]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2023909355750650040

It is my impression that the Sheriff’s department is under staffed and critical incidents are prioritized. I’m impressed by the immediate response by APS.

In my community city officers are quicker response when calling for welfare check where APS could be weeks; over worked and understaffed.

In our county Sheriff’s office there is really not much community policing at all.

So the choice to call APS seems appropriate considering the immediate response.

Since the neighbors were understandably shocked the check in may have been a way to gain information of the state of the situation and get a response on how the neighbors may be able to assist NG going forward without bothering her daughter at that point.

[My use of initials in the quote]

A different neighbor, G B, said there was a large police presence in the area.

“When there was so much police presence with the helicopters and the drones, unbeknownst to us what was going on. I have to say that was a bit disconcerting, but you know, whatever they need do,” Breeding told Newsweek.

She said the neighborhood is typically “quiet.”

Nancy Guthrie's neighbors shocked by abduction: "Everyone is just scared"


all imo

 

[loves2readhistory]

Thank you for sharing. Agree, the Range Rover still being in LE possession is very telling. Definitely feel as though they're working towards something or have an idea in mind of what may have happened...

The RR was likely checked at the scene for DNA or other evidence and they got a hit—took it away for closer examination. When potential evidence is taken into custody for further forensic exam, the property is kept to ensure no further contamination so can’t be released back to the owners until 1) forensic search has shown to ties to the investigation. IF there there nothing implicating the car/people with the case, there is timeline for return but often the owners have to file for court order to have stuff released back to them.

2) IF results come back showing legal evidence to help prosecute, the item is kept in custody until after criminal proceedings are concluded.
The defense during the item’s time in police custody have opportunity to retest for any evidence that might still be ON the item or to have samples taken by LE techs rested at their own choice of lab to validate or refute the LE findings.

So this car MIGHT be awaiting completion of testing or IF nothing came back that was a quick hit in CoDIS or otherwise, they may be holding the RR to 1–make the owners (possible perps) THINK there is compromising forensic evidence and scare them into make a wrong move, or 2) going through familial DNA research could take lot longer.

JMO but think the RR of all evidence collected is the strongest lead to getting to those who took NG. That is one reason LE has said very little about it and why it was taken into custody.

 

[Auburnlucky7]

and learning the blue item of clothing just left in NG front garden was used by the dog trackers as a scent for the dogs is another WTF moment for me, sloppy work produces sloppy results IMO

No, I believe the shirt was worn by one of the K9 handlers and they took it off and forgot it. IMO.

 

[1.618]

I don’t think any official sources have claimed he used the front door to enter, unless I’ve missed something?

JMO

Agree, I have not seen that either. And the videos of her doorway afterward by the media don't appear to show forced entry. She has a metal security door and those are not quiet when messed with. There's also side lights on either side of the door that seem undisturbed in the post event footage from media. Seems like the front door was opened from the inside for him and his job was maybe to dismantle the camera in preparation to exit out the front door. If that's the case, it seems more likely to be a 2+ person coordinated effort and it would require someone to scale a fence or get through a gate on the side or back of the house. At some point, someone posted that NG has a small enclosed patio outside her bedroom, but not sure if that is verified.

 

[LRinCA]

I heard in all the noise about this case that a “silver alert” (like an amber alert but for an older adult) was issued for Nancy early on and that automatically triggers an APS referral.

I live in Arizona and my husband and I have the Citizen alert app on our phones (free version). I believe that's how we found out about NG's disappearance - via a notification pop-up on our phones. This was Sunday morning (February 1). I wish I had an exact time. Editing to add: I know we found out about it while we were having breakfast and if it wasn't via the Citizen app it was from one of my husband's other notification alerts.

The app is described as follows:

Get safety alerts when they matter to you — in real time. Be situationally aware. Citizen alerts go out within seconds of a 911 or user report.

That said, I wonder if APS also has this app and if this might have triggered a response from them.

We are constantly getting alerts on everything, from snake hazards in our neighborhood, to gas leaks, shootings, etc. Depending on the severity of the incident we will get alerts from different parts of the state and/or the entire United States.

Thinking back to that morning, I believe our first thought, based on the notification, was that she might have been an older adult who had wandered off. Again, I wish I had a screenshot of the alert but they disappear when you clear your phone.

I might be able to do a search and find more about that particular morning.

As an aside, if anyone here is interested in what's going on in your area you might be interested in the free version of the app. NOTE: I have no affiliation whatsoever with the app, professionally or financially.

On February 2, 2026 KVOA (news) referred to her going missing as a "SAFE ALERT."

News 4 Tucson - KVOA

A Safe Alert has been issued for missing 84-year-old Nancy Guthrie. PCSD said her belongings, including her purse, wallet, cell phone, and vehicle were at her home. On Sunday, Nancy's family was...

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[cathathorse]

I don't think we should worry too much about how the crime scene will affect the prosecution and what arguments the defense will bring up... my feeling is this will end in a plea deal. Even if it went to trial and he somehow got off on a technicality, I don't see him lasting long in public. People really do not like violent criminals who prey on the most vulnerable, including other violent criminals.

I also don't think he's going to have a "dream team" of defense lawyers. He will get assigned a public defender, and while they may be very good, they won't be able to devote millions of dollars to picking apart every single thing.

 

[joe jones]

No, I believe the shirt was worn by one of the K9 handlers and they took it off and forgot it. IMO.

just as bad,

 

[SMK777]

I find this statement from the local police- that a homicide team was called in right away- hard to reconcile with the fact that it didn't appear to be treated as a secure crime scene at the start of the investigation. I'm basing this based on visuals that were shared - no crime scene tape, investigators in and out, people walking up to her front door over blood droplets. Investigators seemingly didn't notice certain cameras on the outside of the home until later. And, there were news stories two days after she was reported missing that the house was now considered a crime scene, implying it wasn't at the start. This just doesn't make sense to me in context of a homicide team being called in right away.

I know we're not privy to all of the information and operations- I hope they secured the interior rooms better and collected as much information as they could- but the fact there may have been evidence concerning enough to call in a homicide team right away, feels out of sync with how we could see them handling NG's house.

All IMO.
One source, from two days after her disappearance, saying the hosue was now a crime scene:
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Well, yeah, all of that was very worrisome. Agreed.

 

[SMK777]

I think there is maybe something to the next door neighbor being a prominent gemologist who was showing rare gems and minerals at the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show that was going on at the time all of this happened. I think that's where the "burglary gone wrong" narrative came from-- they are probably wondering if the real target was the neighbor (same neighbor where police were examining the ring flood lights yesterday) and the suspect went to the wrong house.

That would be terrible but it's certainly a possibility that they intended to steal the gems.

 

[1.618]

1. I would imagine they are dressed like that to keep all traceable DNA sources inside their clothing/coverings (i.e. hair, etc). I feel like this would also be the reason to potentially wear a cap (like latex, silicone, nylon) under the balacava and have gloves seemingly tucked into sleeves.
2. Smashing the camera probably would have made more noise.

Along these lines, I would image wearing all of that gear would be pretty hot, especially if it was kept on for the entirety of the incident. I would imagine the person inside the gear would be sweaty and eager to remove layers once away from the scene. Even if the outside air was in the 50's that night, surely NG doesn't keep the inside of her home a that temp. Coupled with the adrenaline of what they were doing. If such care was taken to be nearly fully enclosed in that clothing, I doubt that they would have removed it inside the home, immediately outside the home or just carelessly thrown some of it outside the window of a car off the highway.