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The time cameras first detected movement around the house 1:47AM (IIRC) to her pacemaker no longer within bluetooth range of phone around 2 something AM.
Thanks.
So let me understand...
Cameras outside detected movement around the outside of the house, right?
Then her pacemaker goes off comms at 2 something, which is probably when she is out of range of the signal.

How does that place him in the house for over 40 minutes?
 
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DNA mismatches:

Washington state woman had two children with not the same DNA as her. Court case attempting to take her children. She was pregnant with third child, and jury members watched the birth. Same results. Not her DNA. Jury actually accused her of being a surrogate. Enter DNA specialist. Woman had two DNA present in her body. She kept her children.

DNA accused man of murder, but he was 100% in prison at time of murder. He had a twin. Identical twin's DNA did not match his either. Prosecutors had no idea. Dropped charge.

Alaska man needed a bone marrow transplant, but he had atypical DNA. Match found in Germany. Surgery to his arm. Four years later the man had completely become the donor's DNA - completely.

The Lydia Fairchild case (Washington state woman - The Case of Lydia Fairchild and Her Chimerism (2002) | Embryo Project Encyclopedia ) is fascinating to me. In a criminal sense, chimeras (organisms, including some humans that have two different sets of DNA, or the genetic material that contains instructions for the development and functioning of an organism, present in their bodies - What Is Chimerism?) would make it nearly impossible to identify suspects via DNA. This article from NIH discusses its ramifications in forensic science. The impact of chimerism in DNA-based forensic sex determination analysis - PMC

It's VERY statistically unlikely that NG's perp has this condition, but it is possible. JMO.


Interesting point. I’m aware of chimerism, but as you said, it would be an extremely, extremely outside chance of this being the case here.

As to @Trino, these cases are fascinating, but I have trouble with the identical twins part.

I’m an identical twin. We have the exact same DNA. In fact, my twin and my grandaughter did the 23andMe kits, but I didn’t. My sister and granddaughter came up as my twin being her grandmother, even though my twin has no grandchildren.

I’m thinking in your example that they must have actually been fraternal? We are one egg split into two; genetically we are one person. Except for fingerprints, which are always individuated.

JM experience.
 
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@Mistermagoo Yes, I watched that video. That's not a source on 40 people being tracked by holster purchases. The LGS owner simply said they came with a three page list of approx. 40 names and asked him to check them against gun purchases from the past year. And it does not mean 40 suspects as Nanos clarified the other day. Many speculated only a few names are actually relevant POIs, and the rest are random baselines as with a suspect pool line-up.



There is no source for the list being based on holster purchases, which how would they know since there are many holsters exactly like that sold online and in thrift shops for decades. The Walmart holster is just a guess and we don't know if they traced those purchases, that's what I was asking a source for. What they are asking the gun store owner was to see if the suspect pool list purchased a gun, which is a long-shot. Back-tracing an indistinguishable common revolver holster that's been around and sold for decades will be much harder and they simply do not know if that was the Walmart brand some speculated (like I said I posted the same exact holster sold by another brand online at the popular MidwayUSA).

The source is Harvey Levin who said yesterday that his FBI source told him that the pictures/names being shown at the gun shops were people who had bought that holster.
 
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Ah, maybe it's that little tan pot with the cactus that has been moved or knocked over.
I thought the same.Could a perp have used the pot with cactus in some nefarious way?
 
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Thanks.
So let me understand...
Cameras outside detected movement around the outside of the house, right?
Then her pacemaker goes off comms at 2 something, which is probably when she is out of range of the signal.

How does that place him in the house for over 40 minutes?
Technically it does not. He may have been roaming around the house for a while before going in. We don't know that
 
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LE is law enforcement, which includes the Sheriff. But consistently reported is that it was NG’s other daughter, AP who reported her mother missing after NG’s friend called her out of concern because she hadn’t shown up to listen to the church service as planned. I have not seen any indication of a neighbour checking up on NG and noticing she wasn’t home.
JMO

“That morning, Guthrie failed to show up at a friend's house to watch a church service online, as she routinely did, so they called her daughter, Annie, who lives nearby, a source close to the family told NBC News.

At 11:56 a.m., the family arrived to check on her, calling 911 at 12:03 to report her missing. Patrol cars arrived at 12:15 p.m. and the search for Guthrie begins.”
I haven't seen any indication that a neighbor checked up on her, either. Other than the sheriff's statement that a neighbor called APS. The sheriff said a neighbor called APS the day NG went missing. That is a fact. There is no additional information that I have seen as to how the neighbor came to the conclusion that a call to APS was necessary.
 
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The time cameras first detected movement around the house 1:47AM (IIRC) to her pacemaker no longer within bluetooth range of phone around 2 something AM.
2:28am was when the pacemaker disconnected from the phone.
 
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DNA IN GLOVE DID NOT MATCH UP WITH ANYONE IN CODIS
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An 84-year-old woman who was reported missing in Arizona has been identified by officials as the mother of "Today" show host Savannah Guthrie.

The Pima County Sheriff’s Department announced during a news conference on Sunday that Nancy Guthrie was last seen in the Catalina Foothills area on Saturday night at approximately 9:45 p.m.

Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos said a family member reported her missing on Sunday, around noon.

Nanos said search and rescue teams have been out at Nancy Gutherie's home, along with homicide teams and detectives.

Foul play has not been ruled out at this time.

That’s ok, mostly to be expected. Now do IGG, genetic geneology.
Especially ( if inside home DNA not in CODIS) , next, follow up with IGG, geneology.

JMO
 
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Let's look at something else. SG said in one of her Instagram videos. WE UNDERSTAND WE WILL PAY. That is a line from the Mel Gibson movie Ransom. SHE WASNT OFFERING TO PAY POSSIBLY. MORE MOVIE LINGO. moo jmo
I just looked this up and Google says "We understand we will pay" was not a line in Mel Gibson's movie Ransom.

Instead what he said was:

You'll never see one dollar of this money, because no ransom will ever be paid for my son. Not one dime, not one penny. Instead, I'm offering this money as a reward on your head. Dead or alive, it doesn't matter.

Now Google could always be wrong. JMO
 
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Let's look at something else. SG said in one of her Instagram videos. WE UNDERSTAND WE WILL PAY. That is a line from the Mel Gibson movie Ransom. SHE WASNT OFFERING TO PAY POSSIBLY. MORE MOVIE LINGO. moo jmo
I don't get why SG's replies are quotes from Movies? What reasons could there be for this?
 
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LE is law enforcement, which includes the Sheriff. But consistently reported is that it was NG’s other daughter, AP who reported her mother missing after NG’s friend called her out of concern because she hadn’t shown up to listen to the church service as planned. I have not seen any indication of a neighbour checking up on NG and noticing she wasn’t home.
JMO

“That morning, Guthrie failed to show up at a friend's house to watch a church service online, as she routinely did, so they called her daughter, Annie, who lives nearby, a source close to the family told NBC News.

At 11:56 a.m., the family arrived to check on her, calling 911 at 12:03 to report her missing. Patrol cars arrived at 12:15 p.m. and the search for Guthrie begins.”
Maybe the neighbour who contacted AG had first called APS, to ask them to perform a welfare/wellness check, perhaps leaving a message rather than speaking to anyone, as it was a Sunday, then afterwards, realising nobody from APS would come on a Sunday, either phoned directory assistance, had a White Pages around the house, or googled to see if she could find AG’s number (we know it was findable online, due to the hoaxer who was arrested for texting AG and TC.)

JMO
 
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