AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[nycpizzaparty]

And yet...

In Arizona, polygraph test results are generally inadmissible in court due to questions regarding their scientific reliability
. However, they may be admissible if both the prosecution and defense enter a written stipulation (agreement) to allow the results, as established in State v. Valdez. Without this agreement, they are rarely admitted.
Washington and Lee University +4
Key Aspects of Polygraph Admissibility in Arizona:

• Stipulation Rule: Evidence is only admissible if both parties agree to it beforehand.
• Voluntary Tests: Even if an individual passes a polygraph voluntarily, the results are typically inadmissible in court.
• Investigative Use: Law enforcement often uses polygraphs during investigations to gauge credibility or encourage confessions, particularly in sex crime cases.
• Probation/Parole: Polygraphs are sometimes used as a condition of probation or parole, though these results are also generally inadmissible for new criminal charges.
• Refusal: Refusing to take a polygraph cannot be used against a defendant in court.
  Washington and Lee University +4

While they lack strict reliability for court, polygraph results can sometimes be used strategically to influence prosecutors to drop charges,

 

[captdj]

Maybe a WiFi jammer? He's so calm about that camera I wonder if he thought it was jammed. IMO

Wifi names can be pretty wild so he might have used a blocker and turned off the wrong wifi ( think someone posted about a court TV episode discussing a neighbors camera being off) or fumbling to determine blue light (no wifi) and green life ( wifi on) or having trouble might be a little color blind too?

 

[warp3dwing]

I think the ones grown at Nancy’s are the purple ones, right? Those are hybrids and grow in a low sprawling way. The stems are far too soft and flexible to be used as a tool. Even the wild ones that grow into large shrubs with much thicker stems wouldn’t work as tools.

I’ve grown the wild ones, the purple sprawlers, and the yellow sprawlers.

Whether the porch guy knows this or not is anyone’s guess.

Thanks. That makes sense, and is what I figured. We can see the plant in the porch images, and it looks pretty weak/thin to me.

 

[Sessiebo]

I think she's talking about us! (j/k there are a ton of armchair sleuths out there)
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I think she is talking about a certain someone who's name i shall not name that spread rumors about her and her friend or family member and everyone on socials was doxxing that person which resulted in death threats.
That's why we should be extremely careful with naming people or showing pictures that are not confirmed suspects.

 

[kansasmom6]

Do we KNOW the neighbor called APS? IS there a link to this? TY

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Why would a neighbor call Adult Protective Services for a wellness check on Nancy Guthrie when she was already reported missing? If she was known to be missing, what was the purpose of that call?...

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[penguinface]

While I think today is the first time polygraphs have been used in the NG case, I also think they’ve been used for two days

JMO

 

[SlimPickens]

Serial killers are a whole different breed, I highly doubt that’s what we have going on here. jmo

John Hinckley wasn't a serial killer either, but still conjured up a deluded, violent fantasy to get the attention of his obsession. Doesn't make much sense to the rational, but these are the kinds of disjointed story lines those types fantasize about.

JMO.

 

[VegasGirl35]

I'm chuckling because the Twitter sleuths sussed out LD's identity the day after the Range was impounded, but I know (some) reporters are a little more responsible when it comes to posting information.

With regards to the car, it seems like there's mixed reports about who owned it at the time of the abduction. If it wasn't LD, it's unlikely he's involved, but given his record it makes sense to question him. Obviously there was a reason that SUV was on LE's radar in the first place. JMO.

 

[factseeking]

I wondered why it was necessary for the Sheriff to do an interview with BBC. Instead of all these media interviews, why not have a press conference since there hasn't been one for a while.

I was thinking about that yesterday because he's doing lots of individual interviews with the media even though it's more time consuming. I'm wondering if it's because he's more comfortable in a one-on-one situation instead of trying to answer so many questions in a large group of people.

My rule of thumb from an old John Cleese video teaching planning to managers lol is "always always always brief in a group". That way everyone hears exactly the same thing at the same time.

JMO

 

[Spectrix]

And the perp was wearing that backpack fully tied. It's very difficult to drive like that and would take quite a bit of effort to get it off. However an electric motorbike with offroad capability would not

I'm interested how you figure the perp managed to take Nancy on this off road motorbike with him.
Could you possibly elaborate on how this escape unfolded?

 

[Ellis' Mom]

I'm chuckling because the Twitter sleuths sussed out LD's identity the day after the Range was impounded, but I know (some) reporters are a little more responsible when it comes to posting information.

With regards to the car, it seems like there's mixed reports about who owned it at the time of the abduction. If it wasn't LD, it's unlikely he's involved, but given his record it makes sense to question him. Obviously there was a reason that SUV was on LE's radar in the first place. JMO.

Are we allowed to discuss LD now?

 

[captdj]

Hi all — I’m new here and have been following this case closely because I really hope Nancy is found alive and well. I’ve found the discussion here very informative, and apologies if this has already been discussed.

One thing that stood out to me from the porch footage is the suspect’s silhouette. The FBI has confirmed the individual is male. He appears to have a notably wide hip area along with a wide stance and minimal knee bend when picking up the lantana. Together these features create a distinctive outline that someone who knows him might recognize even without seeing his face. Just an observation.

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(Screenshots from FBI-released footage.)

I see he pulled those straps so tight in his armpits ..it can't be easy to remove backpack with that jacket on...

 

[NameUser]

I think she's talking about us! (j/k there are a ton of armchair sleuths out there)
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How does anything we do here impact this investigation. If LE is here looking for info or being influences by this gourd of outstanding people, then there is a much bigger problem.

Plus online communities have been helpful in the past at analyzing info and I think the more eyes and attention, the better.

 

[factseeking]

I think she is talking about a certain someone who's name i shall not name that spread rumors about her and her friend or family member and everyone on socials was doxxing that person which resulted in death threats.
That's why we should be extremely careful with naming people or showing pictures that are not confirmed suspects.

Oh right I forgot about that and yes, I totally agree with the rules here about names and pictures (and everything else for that matter)!

 

[Sdow]

I wondered why it was necessary for the Sheriff to do an interview with BBC. Instead of all these media interviews, why not have a press conference since there hasn't been one for a while.

Perhaps it’s so that he can screen the questions better. IMO.

 

[VegasGirl35]

Are we allowed to discuss LD now?

I'm assuming it's okay given the information is now on the local NBC affiliate and Sheriff Nanos commented on him. It's no longer unsubstantiated rumor. Interesting though that Nanos noted he wasn't arrested but he's not officially off the hook until the results from the search warrant come in. MOO.

EXCLUSIVE: Tucson felon confirmed as man detained, questioned and released in connection to Guthrie kidnapping case

 

[cady]

How does anything we do here impact this investigation. If LE is here looking for info or being influences by this gourd of outstanding people, then there is a much bigger problem.

Plus online communities have been helpful in the past at analyzing info and I think the more eyes and attention, the better.

If she finds it objectionable, why is she reading us at all?

 

[MesquiteO21]

Are we allowed to discuss LD now?

i believe so however i'd still tread carefully unless more comes out. it's public knowledge now that he was questioned regarding NG and his lawyer released a statement, but if he hasn't been named an official POI or suspect by Pima County i'd be mindful of how far you sleuth into him.

moo

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

And yet...

In Arizona, polygraph test results are generally inadmissible in court due to questions regarding their scientific reliability.
However, they may be admissible if both the prosecution and defense enter a written stipulation (agreement) to allow the results, as established in

When the Sheriff announced that all Guthrie family members had been cleared, I wondered if this meant that they had all agreed to take polygraph tests to put any involvement queries to rest.

 

[scandiamerican]

I think there is something there but I don't think it's the backpack. He has the backpack on in one of the pictures but the blob is still there. Also, I remember at one of the first searches with the FBI that they were searching quite closely near the front door. I went back and finally found the video. It looks like the Detective points out a location and the forensic/FBI folks look over the spot.

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I agree it’s not the backpack. I just wonder what would make the pots be arranged differently in those hours. Just stuck out to me.