AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[hopeprayer]

For those wondering (as I did) which video you watched of J (and his ring), go to post #26,253....

Thank you! Someone mentioned that this was the SECOND video of J. Would anyone have the link to the first video?

 

[Puzzles8]

I wasn't, but a simple google search reveals that they exist and can be acquired. Wouldn't it jam the nest cam video though if a wifi jammer was on near it?

I just don't think the intruders were that sophisticated, to use a jammer. Their way of dealing with the front door NEST camera was to manhandle it off the base. But not until after the camera had already gotten a photo/video of one of the intruders.

JMO

 

[tbgo]

Perhaps the ransoms are real. We may be giving the perp too much credit when we point out that that’s not how you conduct a ransom - contacting TMZ and sending it days later. The perp could simply be dumb. Maybe now they’re trying to pretend that they’re not the mastermind but someone who knows where she is. It sounds really stupid but this person may just not be experienced. I guess it could really be kidnap for ransom. Maybe they didn’t have enough time to leave a note at the home or hadn’t thought of how to get in touch with the family, or the way they planned on doing it didn’t work out so they ended up contacting the media. A note could have left DNA so they had another way in mind. We may be making this case way more difficult than it needs to be. They may just not know what they’re doing. And BTW, know about bitcoin doesn’t equal intelligence. Most people under 45 know how it works and tons have used it. Many sites give you the option of paying with it.

 

[SaraSmile]

Yes, per the photos posted upthread showing the Nest mount beside the door, the camera was battery operated. Also note, the traditional doorbell is still intact in the photo. The battery operated Nest uses wifi, not bluetooth, and must be on-network to upload videos to the cloud. If for any reason wifi connection is lost, it will try to reconnect, but only to the network for which it has the password. SOME Nest cameras (see link) have local storage capacity to store videos for a relatively short time (like an hour) while wifi is lost and then will upload that to the cloud once the connection is restored. In this case, we know the camera was removed from the mount, source photos upthread. We don't know how it was removed. AB reported cameras were smashed, although others have indicated the camera was/was not recovered. If the camera was smashed, obviously the recording would cease. If just removed and set aside, it could continue recording. Another factor is how the camera was actually setup. Most record only after motion is detected, and many have zones established for motion detection so that things like passing cars are not always setting off a motion alarm. No information given AFAIK on the particular Nest model involved, clear statement on means it was 'disconnected', how it was setup, etc.

Learn how Nest cameras store recorded video - Google Nest Help

Important: Your camera needs to be connected to both Wi-Fi and the Nest service to upload video to the cloud. All Google Nest cameras and doorbells can securely upload and save video in the cloud. On

support.google.com

Thank you! Very interesting!

Yes, We know about the cloud storage, thankfully LE got the video even though subscription
had lapsed. So grateful, Wonderful! Hopefully, they have a lot more images, video held back.

What else? I was wondering about the device itself, could it be tracked? ( Bluetooth), drone? just wondering? Something like the sniffer technology for the pacemaker?

Too bad they didn’t find the camera body, maybe find prints or DNA on it, on the plastic case.

So the camera is still not found, I could be behind. thanks.

JMO

 

[gbowski]

This is just my opinion.

I’m leaning toward thinking this perp had an idealistic goal/reason for his abduction of NG. In the current political climate, considering the uproar over ICE, I could see this being a guy who attacks a prominent white women in her home for the purpose of instilling fear, so people may be more willing to give up civil liberties in exchange for security.

I think the location which is diverse, may automatically make some feel that this crime had to be committed by the Cartel or other foreign individuals. This thought process would play right into the perps mindset.

I’m certainly not trying to argue the politics for or against any issue here, just a loose theory on why someone would do this. I know we all find this horrendous and want NG to be home.

 

[warp3dwing]

I wasn't, but a simple google search reveals that they exist and can be acquired. Wouldn't it jam the nest cam video though if a wifi jammer was on near it?

The smaller cheap ones I've seen only jam 2.4-2.5 GHz. That would jam most IOT devices, but the Nest can also connect on 5 GHz.

From a very cursory search, jammers that also do 5 GHz (and beyond) are bulkier with multiple antennae.

 

[RedHaus]

Back to the idea the Former FBI Specialist shared a bit ago on CNN Live - that it is possible the perp has killed himself.

I now wonder, what if... after abducting NG, the perp drove his vehicle with himself and NG in it, into an accessible deep lake 1-3 hours away?

> Parker Canyon Lake
> Rose Canyon Lake
> Roosevelt Lake

It would be a most cruel act of evil towards NG and her family - SG in particular? But it might explain this mystery. Is there a missing man too?

IMO.

 

[warp3dwing]

Yeah it does!

It's weird because I can't tell if the Ozark Trail backpack's buckle is metal. It looks plastic.

I have a magnet on my hiking backpack's chest strap which fastens my water bladder's tube and mouthpiece in place. I wonder if he put something similar on this backpack.

 

[dogmom805]

Maybe it was a real card but not placed there by APS. For a welfare check, you call 911. Who would even THINK (or IMAGINE) NG was being abused? What neighbor would want to call attention to themselves this way knowing the cops were already there? Why did someone jump the gun and call APS? Did they want to imply NG was being abused? Take suspicion off themselves or BRING ATTENTION to themselves? For all we know, that card is a ruse too and may be a more valuable clue than any sleuth realizes. . I am not satisfied with the explanation that the neighbor called APS. MOO JMO

Could it have been a neighbor who calls himself a neighbor but is not a neighbor who called for the above reasons? Just thinkin' too hard...

 

[KH05]

Is A&E still following Pima Co.? Given all of this is so odd, who is to say it’s not someone or more than one person connected to the sheriffs office involved..to give themselves more media attention. Conspiracy theory, but the way this case is moving, it wouldn’t be crazy.

 

[submarine7]

Thank you. I am curious to find what what their investigation turns up especially concerning the detained suspects. MOO

One came out with a statement today denying involvement.

 

[Bodhi]

I think it would be difficult to move her from place to place. It’s far too risky. Wherever she is I think she’s been there from the beginning. I have no comment on how a criminal would think but I will tell you this. IMO, I 100 percent wholeheartedly believe that Nancy is a lot tougher than is being reported. I don’t just mean physically. I mean mentally, emotionally, and spiritually. A single widowed mother does not raise a fighter pilot, a msm journalist, and a writer without a steel backbone and being fiercely strong. This woman is a battle axe with extreme emotional fortitude. She’s a momma bear. I do believe she’s alive and she’s not going to do or say ANYTHING that would endanger her children or family. I firmly believe this with all my heart.
IF whomever has her is trying to get to her children I don’t believe she would ever let it happen and I think the majority of mothers ( and fathers) feel this way. If the perp took her to get to SG , she’s not helping.
MOO

Your characterization of Nancy rings true from what I have read about her.

I'd add another reason Nancy might be less compliant than a criminal expected: her strong faith. I'm agnostic, but I recognize the powerful ways religious faith can help believers through times of crisis. My devout mother, in her 90s and living a happy independent life, views death as going home. She doesn't fear death. She believes any problem is "in God's hands." Nancy may have a similar worldview.

Criminals rely on fear; fear drives cooperation. The person on the doorbell camera outfitted himself to induce fear. His shocking appearance and an obvious gun made his intent clear instantly. As an elderly women with strong religious faith, Nancy may have been less concerned with dying, which would give a criminal less leverage over her.

The sheriff stated from the first press conference that Nancy was removed from her home against her will. It must have been clear from the scene, which indicates IMO that Nancy might have been less compliant than the kidnapper anticipated. The masked armed intruder who woke her up in the middle of night would have issued orders. Nancy's blood on the doorstep indicate to me that she may have resisted or didn't comply fast enough and he struck her. If, for example, he threatened her life if she didn't contact her wealthy daughter for ransom, Nancy may have refused. Her worldview seems to be grounded in her faith, at peace with dying, and protective of her family. All MOO.

 

[Arkay]

Back to the idea the Former FBI Specialist shared a bit ago on CNN Live - that it is possible the perp has killed himself.

I now wonder, what if... after abducting NG, the perp drove his vehicle with himself and NG in it, into an accessible deep lake 1-3 hours away?

> Parker Canyon Lake
> Rose Canyon Lake
> Roosevelt Lake

It would be a most cruel act of evil towards NG and her family - SG in particular? But it might explain this mystery. Is there a missing man too?

IMO.

It’s an interesting theory, but IMO it’s doubtful.

Well, let me take that back because who knows what a madman would do?

But I think if the culprit has any sense at all, and feels that he’s never going to get the money, why wouldn’t he instead just relinquish the idea of getting the Bitcoin and then just disappear into his pre-Nancy life?

He may well worry about having to always look over his shoulder if LE succeeds in identifying him, that is true I guess. But killing himself seems extreme to me.

As for disposing of NG in a lake, I think if I were a kidnapper/murderer, that wouldn't be an option because Nancy’s body could eventually surface on the shore.

I would guess it would be much easier to bury her in the desert somewhere. Then LE has to get extremely lucky to find her, rather than in a lake which has defined boundaries and where bodies do tend to emerge.

JMO, of course.

 

[justwannahelp]

Its interesting that they were able to do that with a house full of family and police but no one saw that?or heard the knocks i would assume at the door?spider sense on!

Interesting that it says economic matters at the top

Its interesting that they were able to do that with a house full of family and police but no one saw that?or heard the knocks i would assume at the door?spider sense on!

I STILL find it interesting that it says Department of Economic Security at the top. Does this neighbor who made the call know something we don’t?

One of Nancy’s neighbors with roots in New Orleans, LA cooked her shrimp and grits a few days before she went missing. She pulled out her china and crystal for Nancy’s bday. Maybe Nancy confided in her that day? Maybe she expressed anxiety about loaning out money or being asked to? Of course, we don’t KNOW that she actually was asked to. I’m just speculating and wondering if it was something she was anticipating, and she wasn’t looking forward to it.

Just tossing maybes around trying to make sense of why immediately after Nancy goes missing, a neighbor would call someone who handles elder abuse — particularly in the Department of Economic Security…
No Arrests After Searches Near Nancy Guthrie’s Home

Snipped from article linked above:
On Jan. 26, the day before her birthday, Ms. Federhar dropped off a balloon and treats on her doorstep. The next day, Ms. Burnson, who has family roots in New Orleans, set out some nice crystal, cooked shrimp and grits and made beignets.

At the mahjong game two days before her disappearance, Ms. Guthrie was dressed casually on a chilly day, laughing with her friends and, as usual, playing strategically.

The next evening, Ms. Guthrie had dinner and played games with her daughter Annie and her son-in-law Tommaso Cioni at their home before Mr. Cioni drove her back to her house.

Hours later, her doorbell camera captured the masked man at her door.

Messages Ms. Guthrie appears to have posted on the neighborhood app Nextdoor in recent years showed that she was keenly interested in the desert, and wondered whether javelinas would eat her periwinkle.

She wrote four years ago that she was interested in buying a doorbell camera and asked about the best brand. She did not indicate she was concerned for her safety. She said she just wanted to see what animals might wander by at night.

 

[dogmom805]

I heard friend and I heard neighbor. So I just thought maybe friend and neighbor were the same person? And if it was the neighbor, maybe she called AG because she tried but the door was locked? Thats just a wild guess on my part.

I was just curious about the medication because, like I've recently seen others say, I was thinking along the lines that maybe she was in Mexico because it would be easy for them to get her the meds she needs without detection.c

could the friend who noticed she didn't show up to watch online church at her house have been a neighbor? Neighborly friend....

 

[Gemmie]

I'd like to know more about this guy who seems to be inserting himself into the situation. I wonder if he's been interviewed and how far away he lives.

Yes, he's been interviewed multiple times. Hence the comment "inserting himself into the situation". He lives 15 minutes (or miles) away. I can't remember which. Name is Jason. Don't have a last name but would love it if someone has it.

 

[1.618]

Perhaps the ransoms are real. We may be giving the perp too much credit when we point out that that’s not how you conduct a ransom - contacting TMZ and sending it days later. The perp could simply be dumb. Maybe now they’re trying to pretend that they’re not the mastermind but someone who knows where she is. It sounds really stupid but this person may just not be experienced. I guess it could really be kidnap for ransom. Maybe they didn’t have enough time to leave a note at the home or hadn’t thought of how to get in touch with the family, or the way they planned on doing it didn’t work out so they ended up contacting the media. A note could have left DNA so they had another way in mind. We may be making this case way more difficult than it needs to be. They may just not know what they’re doing. And BTW, know about bitcoin doesn’t equal intelligence. Most people under 45 know how it works and tons have used it. Many sites give you the option of paying with it.

I think the ransom messages were sent to news stations local to Tucson first but didn't garner widespread attention so then they started sending them to TMZ, which to me weeds out certain age groups (i.e. those above 50, although I could wrong about this). The first ransom message was received by KOLD news station at 5pm on Monday Feb 2nd (the day after she was reported missing).

Authorities aware of ‘possible’ ransom note linked to ‘Today’ show co-anchor Savannah Guthrie’s mom

Investigators found signs of forced entry at the Arizona home of “Today” show host Savannah Guthrie’s mother.

www.kold.com

 

[snarast]

It’s an interesting theory, but IMO it’s doubtful.

Well, let me take that back because who knows what a madman would do?

But I think if the culprit has any sense at all, and feels that he’s never going to get the money, why wouldn’t he instead just relinquish the idea of getting the Bitcoin and then just disappear into his pre-Nancy life?

He may well worry about having to always look over his shoulder if LE succeeds in identifying him, that is true I guess. But killing himself seems extreme to me.

As for disposing of NG in a lake, I think if I were a kidnapper/murderer, that wouldn't be an option because Nancy’s body could eventually surface on the shore.

I would guess it would be much easier to bury her in the desert somewhere. Then LE has to get extremely lucky to find her, rather than in a lake which has defined boundaries and where bodies do tend to emerge.

JMO of course,

So the Tucson desert is one of the best areas to dump a body that I can think of. It’s a scary place and it is vast. It’s > 100F most of the time. In the nonexistent shade.

 

[TheDinks]

Yes, he's been interviewed multiple times. Hence the comment "inserting himself into the situation". He lives 15 minutes (or miles) away. I can't remember which. Name is Jason. Don't have a last name but would love it if someone has it.

He's 20-25 mins away from the immediate area <modsnip>

 

[watson1]

Yes, he's been interviewed multiple times. Hence the comment "inserting himself into the situation". He lives 15 minutes (or miles) away. I can't remember which. Name is Jason. Don't have a last name but would love it if someone has it.

if you watch the video of "j" at entry # 26,253 at one point he pulls his hand out of his pocket and he has quite the ring on his ring finger; which is interesting, in my opinion, fwiw.