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Sheriff: NG is not in Mexico.
Former U.S. Marshal and retired deputy chief with the El Paso Police Department: “And they probably reached out to somebody to do the kidnapping. This is right up the Mexican cartel’s alley.”
If that is RA, his whole business is selling cartel training to law enforcement. I’ve attended a couple of his events and he certainly likes to hype up cartel capabilities and activities.

JMO
 
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Their best bet at this point is if there is a DNA hit from one of the genealogy databases like in the Idaho case. That assumes that the unknown DNA found on the glove(s) was actually from the perp.
 
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Their best bet at this point is if there is a DNA hit from one of the genealogy databases like in the Idaho case. That assumes that the unknown DNA found on the glove(s) was actually from the perp.
I think the mixed sample from the property is a better bet for the IGG stuff
 
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I feel like they must have some sort of lead. Like others have mentioned if they thought it were random wouldn't they be required to let the public know they could potentially be in danger too?
 
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I mean maybe they just didn't know she needed medication at the time of the abduction
SO crazy. Even though I tend to believe it was a planned kidnapping, these are the type of points that start making me think the other way. Let's be blunt here. It is an 84 year old woman. She would not be too hard to control, imo. We know the perp(s) have a gun. It should be as easy as holding the gun and telling her that they are taking her. They can even tell her that we are gonna be holding you for ransom, please grab any medication that you will need, I mean, it is an 84 year old woman. The fact that it wasn't as simple as that, and there is actual blood at the scene, when again it should be a fairly easy situation to control, makes me start thinking the other way.
 
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Last few days they have been working to clear people via polygraphs.

Search for security video has been expanded back almost a month before the crime.

Reports that they have contacted mexican officials.

It seems like the investigation is expanding outwards. There haven’t been any raids/ search warrants of potential suspect for a number of days.

Unfortunately I think we are likely going to be here a while.
 
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I live in Houston, where most of our crime is derived from the drugs the cartels supply. In fact, my little brother was murdered by a gang that sold drugs for cartels while he was playing video games at a friends house. Don't know why they chose to do a home invasion on that particular house, but they did. So yes, cartel drugs and the violence that they generate is a daily reality for many border state residents.

I still believe this could be a cartel-related kidnapping for ransom, but I also believe this could be a burglary gone wrong. Or it could be any other number of things. The only thing I'm truly sure about is that this crime is BIZARRE and that we should all feel free to post our theories as long as they don't violate TOS.
I am terribly sorry for your loss. I know what it feels like to lose someone close to you to murder. I have thought the possibility of Nancy being potentially brought to Mexico was likely from the very beginning because 1)They could have gotten there well before she was even noticed missing (being that Nogales is only between an hour and an hour and 1/2 drive away) & 2) Because that is a place they could more easily obtain the meds needed to potentially keep Nancy alive.
 
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Last few days they have been working to clear people via polygraphs.

Search for security video has been expanded back almost a month before the crime.

Reports that they have contacted mexican officials.

It seems like the investigation is expanding outwards. There haven’t been any raids/ search warrants of potential suspect for a number of days.

Unfortunately I think we are likely going to be here a while.
I agree.

For all the public comments that have said otherwise, this seems like a professional kidnapping to me. Except for one thing. They got her and left minimal evidence. The only thing they haven't done is provide a verifiable ransom demand with proof of life.
 
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I feel like they must have some sort of lead. Like others have mentioned if they thought it were random wouldn't they be required to let the public know they could potentially be in danger too?
You would think, but there have been plenty of cases where they should have let the public know that they could be in danger and did not. Idaho was a recent one.
 
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I agree.

For all the public comments that have said otherwise, this seems like a professional kidnapping to me. Except for one thing. They got her and left minimal evidence. The only thing they haven't done is provide a verifiable ransom demand with proof of life.
If she passed away accidentally somehow early on, then they wouldn't have a reasonable avenue for proof of life and maybe that could explain the weird initial ransom note (though I have my doubts over its validity)
 
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Borrego Springs is the only one that comes to mind.



Is Borrego Springs a dark sky community?

Nestled in the heart of the Anza-Borrego Desert and just 90 minutes from San Diego, Borrego Springs Resort sits within one of the world's few certified International Dark Sky Communities.

The area around Jodi Hildenbrant/ Ruby Franke in southern Utah is one as well , a few areas of Colorado too
 
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A Google spokesperson told Newsweek that a spike in a Google Trends chart is not “definitive evidence” of a search—after Fox News claimed that Google Trends data appears to show searches for Nancy Guthrie’s address before her disappearance.

Fox News claimed that Google Trends data appeared to show searches for Guthrie’s address between June 21 and 28, 2025, and again on January 11 of this year.

"Google Trends is designed for understanding trends in large datasets. For topics with low or no searches, a Google Trends chart will often mix in random noise to protect people’s privacy. That means that a Google Trends chart showing a spike for an uncommon topic is not definitive evidence that a search actually happened," a Google spokesperson told Newsweek
 
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I agree.

For all the public comments that have said otherwise, this seems like a professional kidnapping to me. Except for one thing. They got her and left minimal evidence. The only thing they haven't done is provide a verifiable ransom demand with proof of life.
I still think it’s likely someone local and targeted.

Someone that’s likely known to the victim.

For whatever reason investigators haven’t been able to recover evidence that leads them to that specific person yet.

Possibly either missed key evidence early on or hasn’t been made available to them yet.

I feel like they will expand their search before refocusing back locally at some point. all moo
 
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Studies show-- and you can find them on sites like Dark Sky International-- that residential outdoor lighting does not deter crime. I know you'll probably believe what you choose, and fear motivates us to believe what makes us feel safer -- but this is from my fast Google search and is just one of many studies:

"Studies indicate that keeping lights on at night does not inherently deter crime and, in some cases, may aid offenders by making targets more visible. Research, including a 2015 Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health (JECH) study, found that increased lighting does not significantly prevent crime. Instead of deterring, excessive or poorly placed lighting can increase personal vulnerability."
This source says the opposite.
 
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Not true at all. I’m in the area and have multiple porch lights on every night and the majority of my neighbors do too. I have never heard of anyone getting fined for lights against the lighting ordinance, it’s more of a technicality when building than anything.
 
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I live in Houston, where most of our crime is derived from the drugs the cartels supply. In fact, my little brother was murdered by a gang that sold drugs for cartels while he was playing video games at a friends house. Don't know why they chose to do a home invasion on that particular house, but they did. So yes, cartel drugs and the violence that they generate is a daily reality for many border state residents.

I still believe this could be a cartel-related kidnapping for ransom, but I also believe this could be a burglary gone wrong. Or it could be any other number of things. The only thing I'm truly sure about is that this crime is BIZARRE and that we should all feel free to post our theories as long as they don't violate TOS.
I’m so sorry about the loss of your brother.
 
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As per it bring mentioned that Bryan Koberger was on the run 47 days, and while many felt LE had no leads, in reality they were tailing him and watching him:

That's certainly a comfort at a time like this.

Conversely, in the Summer Wells and Delphi cases many hoped similar was true: the former went cold altogether and the latter took 5 years to break.

Let's hope the genealogy DNA testing can lead to a breakthrough here, because apparently LD had no CODIS hits despite having a criminal record.
MOO I think they are tailing, watching and testing his DNA as he follows our posts.
 
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I agree.

For all the public comments that have said otherwise, this seems like a professional kidnapping to me. Except for one thing. They got her and left minimal evidence. The only thing they haven't done is provide a verifiable ransom demand with proof of life.
It could also have started in Mexico. He/they came here, abducted her and went back to Mexico? Not easy to show proof of life if she isn't alive. Assuming she's on blood thinners and I think she is, even an elbow to her nose as they jostled her to take her away can cause COPIOUS bleeding that is hard to quell. A fall can theoretically cause extreme internal bleeding. No Mexican medicine can cure that. She would need a hospital. Still looking for ransom, anyway. I don't think she's in Mexico.

Those Instagram messages from SG's family to the perp make me doubt this was a cartel or drug or political kidnaping. The fact the brother and sister are absent from the last couple of videos makes me think it's not a grudge or revenge or military thing like a former pilot from the national guard who served with the brother. This is a targeted kidnaping by someone who wants the attention from SG. Stalker? Groupie type that has gone rogue? Jealous colleague or acquaintance? Best angle here is examine the motive. I do not think he was bungling. I think he was pretty damn effective. JMO MOO
 

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