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Possibly also for a Halloween costume?
Masks like this - not exact - are seen in Minnesota, northern states. Maybe the guy bought it (and other items) at Goodwill?
 
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I was also thinking the FBI and LE were close to an arrest or arrests. JMO
I was hoping an arrest was imminent, but we haven't really gotten any recent information from LE or the FBI that they are closing in on an arrest or arrests.

They are likely still sorting through some of the possible evidence such as the stranger DNA in the house or property, having a genalogical expert find family matches for the person whose DNA was on the glove, working with Walmart to find a face, credit card and possibly a vehicle linked to NG's abduction, etc.

JMO
 
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Gosh, me too. Im guessing digital forensics investigators learned a lot with that case. They’re gonna find the person/ people that did this to Nancy!

(Goylar was Bat —$hit. I was so freaked out by that documentary. I didn’t see it coming until close to the end)
Same. I also didn't see it coming until close to the end.

Sheriff did say it could be days, weeks, months or years but I'm sure hoping that the family will get a resolution in the near future.

JMO
 
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I’ve found a fantastic blog post from a company that develops “image and video forensic solutions” for law enforcement which talks about the limitations of infrared imaging, which is what nest cameras use for their night vision: Infrared Images: Don't Trust the Colors of Most CCTV Footage at Night

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This image does a great job of showing how what is visible to the naked eye does not translate to an IR image, and an IR image cannot be relied upon for any clues about color or even relative contrast.

My takeaways:
  • It is possible that the Nest camera had some visible light that could contribute to reflecting actual colors/shades in the images we’ve seen, but we don’t and won’t know that, so it is best to assume this is fully from infrared
  • It seems like visible lightness and darkness have to do with reflectivity, but since IR light isn’t visible, it is Nest’s software that makes decisions about how to visibly represent the IR light, and we don’t know how they’ve decided to do that, so safest not to draw any conclusions there either
  • Anything that appears high contrast on the image isn’t because the colors contrast, but they are likely to be of different reflectivity. Can’t take away anything from the perceived contrast of the stitching on the mask or the zipper on the jacket other than they are probably different material.
 
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Sorry if posted already. Just jumping in having not caught up from last night yet.

This ties to my post about the CNN Live guest, FORMER FBI SPECIALIST, who thinks its possible the perp has killed himself. And I further opined here if the perp may have committed M-S on 2/1 as part of a deranged plot to punish SG.

"AUTHORITIES searching for Nancy Guthrie’s kidnapper are looking at anyone who has gone MIA for the past three weeks, according to a

That's a very real possibility.
Remember when authorities were searching for Brian Laundrie, and he had already commented suicide?
 
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I’ve found a fantastic blog post from a company that develops “image and video forensic solutions” for law enforcement which talks about the limitations of infrared imaging, which is what nest cameras use for their night vision: Infrared Images: Don't Trust the Colors of Most CCTV Footage at Night

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This image does a great job of showing how what is visible to the naked eye does not translate to an IR image, and an IR image cannot be relied upon for any clues about color or even relative contrast.

My takeaways:
  • It is possible that the Nest camera had some visible light that could contribute to reflecting actual colors/shades in the images we’ve seen, but we don’t and won’t know that, so it is best to assume this is fully from infrared
  • It seems like visible lightness and darkness have to do with reflectivity, but since IR light isn’t visible, it is Nest’s software that makes decisions about how to visibly represent the IR light, and we don’t know how they’ve decided to do that, so safest not to draw any conclusions there either
  • Anything that appears high contrast on the image isn’t because the colors contrast, but they are likely to be of different reflectivity. Can’t take away anything from the perceived contrast of the stitching on the mask or the zipper on the jacket other than they are probably different material.
This is very helpful. Thanks for finding this and posting it.
 
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Sorry if posted already. Just jumping in having not caught up from last night yet.

This ties to my post about the CNN Live guest, FORMER FBI SPECIALIST, who thinks its possible the perp has killed himself. And I further opined here if the perp may have committed M-S on 2/1 as part of a deranged plot to punish SG.

"AUTHORITIES searching for Nancy Guthrie’s kidnapper are looking at anyone who has gone MIA for the past three weeks, according to a report.

Source: U.S. Sun today (link does work)

Anyone who does Door Dash can pick and choose when/where they want to deliver, meaning they could opt out for weeks. Have a cousin who did this in MN, moved to another state. It was a couple of months before he reconnected. More Door Dashers interrogated?
 
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Gosh, me too. Im guessing digital forensics investigators learned a lot with that case. They’re gonna find the person/ people that did this to Nancy!

(Goylar was Bat —$hit. I was so freaked out by that documentary. I didn’t see it coming until close to the end)
She was definitely bat-$hit! The Omaha Police Department and the Pottawattamie County, Iowa police worked together on that case - the leaps they made in electronic investigating have most likely helped many other cases. I hope that some of the technological leaps can help find NG.
 
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Exactly, skiers. But as i understand Tucson is in a desert so no cold, no snow, no ice. Makes no sense

I wear a full face ski mask like that when I ride ATVs/UTVs in the desert. It gets dusty when you're riding behind another ATV.

Also, the desert can get very cold at night. And for most Southerners.... anything below 45ºF is often considered "very cold". 😆
 
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And here’s the full link to the pagesix article that included the photo image.

 
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Sheriff says no, but he's said a lot of things. If there's no Mexican investigation, how can it be a positive she's not there?
 
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Sorry if posted already. Just jumping in having not caught up from last night yet.

This ties to my post about the CNN Live guest, FORMER FBI SPECIALIST, who thinks its possible the perp has killed himself. And I further opined here if the perp may have committed M-S on 2/1 as part of a deranged plot to punish SG.

"AUTHORITIES searching for Nancy Guthrie’s kidnapper are looking at anyone who has gone MIA for the past three weeks, according to a report.

Source: U.S. Sun today (link does work)
Thanks for posting. Very interesting idea to consider whether the perp committed suicide and to ask the public for help in identifying anybody who has been missing for the past 3 weeks.

Two additional things I thought were ineresting in this above US Sun link:
1. The Sheriff stated that he believes NG is somewhere nearby
2. The FBI has contacted authorities in Mexico, asking them to spread the word about NG's kidnapping.
 
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In the below US Sun links, both articles state that the FBI has contacted authorities in Mexico, asking them to spread the word about the kidnapping.
MOO


 
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I wear a full face ski mask like that when I ride ATVs/UTVs in the desert. It gets dusty when you're riding behind another ATV.
A knitted one? Just wondering if other fabrics aren't much more comfortable riding ATV/UTV's. Sorry i'm not familiar with that 😅
 
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Thank you. I wonder how secure it was.
I've been in a number of guesthouses on propeties in Tucson. None of the guest houses I've been in -- all in upscale neighborhoods -- have used dead bolts but rather just have used the regular locks that aren't all that secure.

I'm wondering how secure NG's sliding doors from the back of her house. Many ranch homes in nice neighborhoods in Tucson have sliding glass doors going from the master bedroom and from the family room to the back yard.
 
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What is with the choice of words in this TMZ headline? They reported yesterday that there has been a "highly sophisticated" ransom demand sent to them. It has been made using another form of crypto currency than the previously mentioned Bitcoin. What makes this "highly sophisticated " in comparison to a Bitcoin ransom request?

 
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I think there’s a bit of misunderstanding about what’s being described.

There is no private information being disclosed here. Google isn’t publishing “who searched what.” What’s being referenced are aggregate trend metrics — essentially, how often a particular search term was used relative to other searches over a period of time.

In tools like Google Trends, Google does not publish:
  • Individual user identities
  • IP addresses
  • Exact search counts
  • Raw search logs
They publish normalized, relative interest data (scaled 0–100) based on aggregated search volume. It’s statistical trend information, not personal search history.

So legally and technically, this is very different from Google “making private information public.” It’s closer to publishing market research data than exposing individual activity.

As for the searches of NG and SG — if they originated from the same source and occurred close in time to a crime, that may be probative depending on context. But the existence of trend data itself doesn’t implicate privacy violations. The evidentiary value would come from properly obtained search history tied to a specific account or device — not from public trend graphs.

Just my perspective.

Thanks for the considerate reply. However, I didn't state that Google made private information public. I stated that they make public information readily available via their search engine and that that information isn't otherwise easily obtained and/or readily available. And even if that public information is easily obtained and readily available from governments that have decided that it is public information, that said governments generally enjoy immunity from any harmful consequences of making that information readily available. Private businesses, on the other hand, may or may enjoy that immunity.

You're correct in that Google Trends isn't search results. But if Google shows a trend that it lists on Trends, then by default that trend is determined within its own user queries.

That's the likely reason they put out that statement.

JMO.
 

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