• #36,381
LE needs to look for Nancy in the certain radius that the ransom author mentions in the first note. Harvey Levin told Anderson Cooper, "They as much as say she is, that uh, she is in a certain radius."
 
  • #36,382
LE needs to look for Nancy in the certain radius that the ransom author mentions in the first note. Harvey Levin told Anderson Cooper, "They as much as say she is, that uh, she is in a certain radius."
Why would they not have acted on that information immediately?🤢
 
  • #36,383
LE interviewed NG’s family members and surely interviewed her neighbors and close friends. I wonder whether NG recently picked up something valuable (to any bearer, like diamonds, valuable jewelry, gold bars or coins, silver) to take to a safe in her home - perhaps from her safe deposit box or perhaps from a dealer - and whether she shared that information with any family or friends or mentioned the errand or intent to any more casual associates (hairdresser, nail salon) or hired service people. Maybe, having recently had her 84th birthday, she planned to gift valuables to others dear to her so wanted to have these valuables on hand.

In such a scenario, the questions would be: did NG share any such plans with close friends or family who’ve informed LE? And who, of questionable character and criminal intent (and likely psychopathic tendencies) would have been in ANY position (spouse or relative of casual associate, or possibly even another client of a casual associate who shares such as gossip) to have learned that NG was going to have, at least temporarily, those valuables at her home?
I have wondered the same, whether she might have had cash on hand to pay the roofers or any handyman that might have recently done work for her. Or visited her safe deposit box to remove a piece of jewelry to gift to a friend or family member.

This could be easily verified by the FBI by looking at cash withdrawals and/or visits to her safe deposit box.

I have also wondered about purpose of the gun. It wasn't fired (at least we have not heard to the contrary). Maybe it's sole purpose was to threaten NG into disclosing the locations of valuables in her home.

This one has me puzzled.

JMO
 
  • #36,384
How many cars are on that street at 2am? When I saw the photograph of all of the press tents lining the street, it seemed like there has to be a camera or two close enough to capture the street.
On the night of her missing? I don't know and her neighbors wouldn't either based on residential IR security cams that only reach out effectively a few feet. There are no street light and no street cams. The next nearest main roads have DOT (Dept. of Traffic) cameras at intersection but they do not record. There are no police or flock cams in the city of Tucson.

On my street at night (bigger properties than NG, wooded, no street light, lots of wildlife) I can hear and see cars on my CCTV feed at night if I'm working at my desk. Sometimes someone's coming home at 2am or 3am. You just see the headlights go by on the cam. None of my cameras would pick anything other than a blur up.

There was one direct neighbor that said they did not have cameras (just installed them after this case) and another that said they can't detect cars going by on their cameras at all.


There are no IR cams that would pick up a car driving by at night on these houses in a completely dark neighborhood with privacy landscaping. All those cars parked on the road would not be viewable at night, just blobs or blurs.
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You can really get a feel for the darkness and obscuring hedges in this video taken driving through her actual neighborhood.

 
  • #36,385
True. That will arrive @ July 4th.
My aunt lived in Mesa until she passed away last year. She said it really helped her Lupus living there but she said she hated Monsoons, I think that is what she called them.
 
  • #36,386
On the night of her missing? I don't know and her neighbors wouldn't either based on residential IR security cams that only reach out effectively a few feet. There are no street light and no street cams. The next nearest main roads have DOT (Dept. of Traffic) cameras at intersection but they do not record. There are no police or flock cams in the city of Tucson.

On my street at night (bigger properties than NG, wooded, no street light, lots of wildlife) I can hear and see cars on my CCTV feed at night if I'm working at my desk. Sometimes someone's coming home at 2am or 3am. You just see the headlights go by on the cam. None of my cameras would pick anything other than a blur up.

There was one direct neighbor that said they did not have cameras (just installed them after this case) and another that said they can't detect cars going by on their cameras at all.


There are no IR cams that would pick up a car driving by at night on these houses in a completely dark neighborhood with privacy landscaping. All those cars parked on the road would not be viewable at night, just blobs or blurs.
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I just want to thank you for repeatedly and patiently explaining this to everyone.
 
  • #36,387
I have wondered the same, whether she might have had cash on hand to pay the roofers or any handyman that might have recently done work for her. Or visited her safe deposit box to remove a piece of jewelry to gift to a friend or family member.
From the beginning, I've wondered if something like this was talked about innocuously but overheard by the wrong person.

And that person planned a robbery, but somehow NG got injured and it had to become a kidnapping.

And then she passed and it all went south
 
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  • #36,389
Have they searched the desert?
Unfortunately, the desert is far too large to search. They should search as much as humanly possible near NG's home, though.
 
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DBM
 
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Actually, legally, moving a dead, or dying person is considered kidnapping. It would be included in any list of criminal charges. My mother was murdered and kidnapping was one of the charges, as her body was removed from her home, and technically still alive, but dying. My own experience.
I'm so sorry! What a horrific way to lose your mother.
 
  • #36,392
Not enough light. Some home cameras will record the street during the day but when they switch to night mode, the distance becomes an issue because, in the absence of street light, they rely on their own infrared emitters, which aren’t powerful enough for the street.

LE must have some idea if, as it seems, they’re looking for grey/silver SUVs like the Range Rover. Perhaps the footage isn’t good enough to release to the public.

That night, was the moon was full, and so bright! I live in an area with almost no ambient light, and it was amazingly bright. I wonder if that light helped the cameras? And I wonder if that light also was a reason for the kidnapping that specific night. I have really wondered if they used that moon light for some specific reason.

 
  • #36,393
From the beginning, I've wondered if something like this was talked about innocuously but overheard by the wrong person.

And that person planned a robbery, but somehow NG got injured and it had to become a kidnapping.

And then she passed and it all went south
So many older people keep those lock boxes with the little key. My great aunt and my grandma both had them. They were the size of a backpack and light weight even when loaded up with money and papers. They both kept thousands of dollars in the boxes. I asked what is the point of the key someone can just walk away with the box, lol. I guess they felt the lock protected it. Nancy probably had one or something similar that she used as people call it "petty cash" or "mad money" to pay small bills that come up, or maybe a little jaunt to town to purchase some items.
 
  • #36,394
Why would they not have acted on that information immediately?🤢
I'm confused. What makes you certain LE didn't take info in the first ransom note into consideration? Wondering if I missed something.
 
  • #36,395
I have wondered the same, whether she might have had cash on hand to pay the roofers or any handyman that might have recently done work for her. Or visited her safe deposit box to remove a piece of jewelry to gift to a friend or family member.

This could be easily verified by the FBI by looking at cash withdrawals and/or visits to her safe deposit box.

I have also wondered about purpose of the gun. It wasn't fired (at least we have not heard to the contrary). Maybe it's sole purpose was to threaten NG into disclosing the locations of valuables in her home.

This one has me puzzled.

JMO
BBM. This one has me puzzled too.

Really hoping that the many things we don't know (data analysis from electronics, whatever surveillance LE does have, interviews with family/friends/neighbors/associates, consideration of NG's patterns of life and any recent deviations, etc.) solve this and return NG home to loved ones.
 
  • #36,396
They may have to a certain extent but from my understanding that is a 2 hour radius in any direction. That is a lot to cover and if they don't have specifics that is like looking for a needle in a haystack.
Didn't tmz say something about them being far enough away that they could have her back within 12 hours? It's been so long but I could have sworn they had her house with a big circle that said 12 hours at 60mph this was the radius? Harvey drives me crazy so I could have tuned him out. Was it only 2?

Found it, scroll down 700 mile radius, no way they could have searched that Nancy Guthrie Kidnapper Likely From Tucson Area, First Activity in Bitcoin Account
 
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Didn't tmz say something about them being far enough away that they could have her back within 12 hours? It's been so long but I could have sworn they had her house with a big circle that said 12 hours at 60mph this was the radius? Harvey drives me crazy so I could have tuned him out. Was it only 2?

Yeah. I made sure I said from my understanding because I was going off of memory. I just looked it up and it is apparently a 700 mile radius. I will DBM my post now.
 
  • #36,398
LE needs to look for Nancy in the certain radius that the ransom author mentions in the first note. Harvey Levin told Anderson Cooper, "They as much as say she is, that uh, she is in a certain radius."

He’s saying here that the radius is based on the ransom note’s promise to return Nancy to Tucson within a certain time after payment. In a later video (because time invariably loosens Harvey’s lips), he reveals the specified period to be twelve hours. The radius is huge, crossing into adjacent states.
 
  • #36,399
Have they searched the desert?
Pima County alone is almost 9,200 square miles. Most of the population lives in Tucson and the surrounding area. The rest is sparsely population. The terrain is inhospitable, difficult to search. The radius that Harry Levin mentioned often included most of the Southwest.
 
  • #36,400
About the only reasons I can think of, for them to kidnap Nancy was that she recognized at least one of them ?
They had to know it was a risk with an elderly woman who wasn't in the best of health ?

The focus it would seem should be on anyone she had contact with; as in paying someone for work done in and around the house.
IF it was someone completely unknown to her, they would've most likely tied or restrained her and taken her phone, maybe threatened her and then left the house with whatever they could steal.
I keep going back to the start of this and thought I'd read that nothing was taken, so again this is such a strange and sad case.
Kidnapping for ransom is low on my list atm.

Omo.
 

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