AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[shonyakay]

DNA can be collected from a few cells these days, so even if he breathed on the weeds, the possibility is there that his DNA transferred. In any case, it is ridiculous that the weeds were not even collected for a cursory examination.

LE will usually discuss and determine what they decide to collect or not. They can't collect every single item. Some items are not collected for a variety of reasons. For instance in the Delphi case investigators decided not to collect the branches at first because that type of surface is hard to test and collect DNA from.

And although I agree that LE should have taken the doormat and Lantana (in hindsight) I now believe those choices were made for a reason. The doormat - probably because of numerous DNA samples all mixed together from numerous people's shoes. And the Lantana - not an ideal source for DNA extraction.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

I think we are done here until an arrest or discovery of Nancy.

Sad, but true. The NG case has faded from TV news coverage and will probably cease altogether until there is a major development.

 

[shonyakay]

DBM it’s been beat to death

I think they misunderstood the question.

 

[missy1974]

The front door might have been processed first for all we know.
LE may have placed the card on the door for the investigator.
Someone mentioned that LE let a delivery guy through the tape to deliver a package. People were not free to recklessly roam all over that crime scene. The house was taped off.

Maybe I am missing something but what exactly is the issue then with an Amazon driver delivering a package to Nancy's door at 6 p.m. Monday evening?

I think the issue is that they released the scene too quickly. And that people were indeed allowed to recklessly roam to the front door. Amazon guy, APS lady... numerous media organizations got video and pics from the front door. Your original post replying to another poster, implied that they were not allowed to do that.

The house/scene was closed off 2 times after the amazon/aps/media and who knows who else was allowed on the property.

 

[GMG1999]

Sad, but true. The NG case has faded from TV news coverage and will probably cease altogether until there is a major development.

I feel like we were kind of spoiled with AB's show every evening during the week during the Idaho investigation.

 

[aamillaa]

their first clue would have been because some of the plant was stuck in the hardware that held the doorcam

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still shot taken from this video:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2018800434371284998

And the multiple “armchair detectives” on here who speculated it was out of place. (Not me! I’m not as eagle eyed as some of you!)

 

[SlimPickens]

given a choice between getting the missing person back alive and solving the crime the protocol is absolutely to prioritize saving the missing persion.

The only priority of law enforcement - its mandate even - is to locate and prosecute those who have broken the law. They may empathize with victims and victims' families, and even go out of their way to be sensitive to their situation, but their technical procedures and protocols don't take those things into account. Sure, one of their goals overlaps with the family's goal of finding their loved one, but not for the same reasons.

How many times have we seen a family trying desperately to obtain information about their missing loved one from law enforcement only to be rebuffed, and in some cases, ignored altogether?

We should not ascribe altruistic, compassionate intentions/priorities to a government body that is, by design and by mandate, supposed to operate independently of those things.

JMO.

 

[Smizzard]

New poster here. I’ve been following this thread from the beginning and can’t make heads or tails of it. One thing that struck me this morning, is that locals keep going back to sheriff bashing and some of the background given on his personal issues shows a lot of agitation. MOO, and this might be totally out there, but could the perp(s) be someone not looking to hurt the Guthrie family but instead looking to discredit Sherriff Nanos? High profile disappearance by someone who knows the department’s weak spots. Maybe someone who lost their job or blamed him for something? And then maybe things went wrong as they weren’t prepared for a medical emergency? Speculation and JMO, but I couldn’t help but wonder as the one thing that has stuck out to me across all the pages is how strongly many people feel about the Sheriff, who not only angered people but got his own tv show? Just throwing the idea out there.

 

[shonyakay]

I think the issue is that they released the scene too quickly. And that people were indeed allowed to recklessly roam to the front door. Amazon guy, APS lady... numerous media organizations got video and pics from the front door. Your original post replying to another poster, implied that they were not allowed to do that.

The house/scene was closed off 2 times after the amazon/aps/media and who knows who else was allowed on the property.

Whether they released the scene too quickly is a separate issue.

LE had finished processing the scene about 9 to 10 hours before the Amazon delivery driver delivered the package to the door.

I still haven't seen proof of who exactly put the APS card on Nancy's front door or exactly when.

So, respectfully, it is just your opinion that they let people recklessly roam the crime scene.

Once the scene was processed and released it was basically a free for all. That is when BE recorded footage at Nancy's front door.

 

[WhateverForever]

I assume the "no backpack" image of the suspect is from the same night as the abduction due to general wording by LE.

However, I wondered about a hypothetical scenario. Is it possible that the “no backpack” video was actually recovered from a different night (say, January 11)?

If so, this implies that there was at least one prior abduction attempt. If this video is indeed from a different night, what caused them to abandon the plan? Was Ms. Guthrie not home that night? Were they scared off by something?

Apologies if I have missed LE confirmation that the “no backpack” video is from the same night as the abduction, which would negate this entire line of speculation.

 

[turaj]

Is this what you are referring to?

“The Pima County Department of Transportation, at the request of Catalina Foothills Estates Neighborhood Association residents, and in coordination with the Pima County Sheriff’s Department and Rural Metro Fire, is temporarily restricting the direction of travel on Camino Escalante to eliminate or reduce parking and traffic congestion related to the investigation of the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie, mother of NBC “Today Show” anchor Savannah Guthrie.”

Transportation

Transportation uses advanced technologies, data, and the hard work of employees to manage nearly 2,200 miles of roadways, bicycle, and pedestrian facilities, transit services, and infrastructure.

www.pima.gov

YES I am just wondering why it took so long to so it. Those neighbors have really been put to the test.

 

[annpats]

Some new arrivals to the US come from countries where people are interested in DNA testing and genealogy. Like Canada, UK, Australia, Ireland, etc.

It's not that the people in these countries aren't interested, it's that DNA giving, taking and using isn't really a thing, due to laws about data protection and the right to privacy.

 

[thefragile7393]

New poster here. I’ve been following this thread from the beginning and can’t make heads or tails of it. One thing that struck me this morning, is that locals keep going back to sheriff bashing and some of the background given on his personal issues shows a lot of agitation. MOO, and this might be totally out there, but could the perp(s) be someone not looking to hurt the Guthrie family but instead looking to discredit Sherriff Nanos? High profile disappearance by someone who knows the department’s weak spots. Maybe someone who lost their job or blamed him for something? And then maybe things went wrong as they weren’t prepared for a medical emergency? Speculation and JMO, but I couldn’t help but wonder as the one thing that has stuck out to me across all the pages is how strongly many people feel about the Sheriff, who not only angered people but got his own tv show? Just throwing the idea out there.

the issues with the sheriff started when he became sheriff. If you're local, you know of the issues, and if you've ever had to work with his dept in some capacity, you know the issues. It's been mentioned a few times in this very long thread and difficult to find now, and if I continue down this line of thought in trying to explain it further, I'll really derail the thread I'm sure . So I'll just add it's all IMO for all that. IMO no, I don't think someone is throwing Nanos under the bus or trying to. I think someone got lucky with what has happened and the response to it, IMO. I also don't know if this case would go any differently if someone else was in charge as sheriff. I think this would be a difficult case regardless,especially if you have no experience with a high profile case.

 

[flakesofsnow]

Arizona man detained in SWAT operation denies link to Nancy Guthrie abduction​

A search of the vehicle found heroin paraphernalia, a 9 mm pistol with a loaded magazine, about a thousand opioid pills, suboxone strips and $1,366 in cash, police alleged.

here is the mug shot

 

[Gunther Toody]

The only priority of law enforcement - its mandate even - is to locate and prosecute those who have broken the law. They may empathize with victims and victims' families, and even go out of their way to be sensitive to their situation, but their technical procedures and protocols don't take those things into account. Sure, one of their goals overlaps with the family's goal of finding their loved one, but not for the same reasons.

How many times have we seen a family trying desperately to obtain information about their missing loved one from law enforcement only to be rebuffed, and in some cases, ignored altogether?

We should not ascribe altruistic, compassionate intentions/priorities to a government body that is, by design and by mandate, supposed to operate independently of those things.

JMO.

I respectfully disagree.
In missing-person cases, law enforcement is trained to prioritize finding the victim first, and solving the crime second. But everything depends on the theory they adopt early. If leaders believe it’s a planned kidnapping, resources go to DNA, phones, and suspect identification.

If they believe it’s a panic-driven crime with possible abandonment, resources go to search-and-rescue and terrain recovery. Both approaches claim to be victim-first, but they rely on very different assumptions. When early conclusions are wrong, time-critical recovery efforts can be sidelined, and time is the one thing you never get back.

 

[Napoli]

If the genealogy comes up empty, I don't know what's left. Nobody is willing to come forward and identify Lantana Man. If the physical evidence yields no leads, they're pretty much dead in the water.

Let's pretend I think I know who it might be. I call up. It looks like my neighbor, Joe Blow. How far do you think 1000 similar tips with different names they can follow up on? IMO, the perp has already been named by someone. I dont believe no one is willing to identify Lantana man. The name is buried in thousands of tips. JMO

 

[Data Sleuth]

I mean it was pretty much laying in/near a pool of the victims blood. I’m not sure that’s the same as collecting some random objects inside the home.

Has it been proven that the blood droplets on the front porch are from NG?

 

[SMK777]

ONLY ON 4: Tucson couple says they found glove near Nancy Guthrie's home

TUCSON, Ariz. (KVOA) - The investigation into the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie continues to unfold, with neighbors in the area expressing ongoing fear. Authorities are not ruling out the possibility

www.kvoa.com

 

[Gunther Toody]

The only priority of law enforcement - its mandate even - is to locate and prosecute those who have broken the law. They may empathize with victims and victims' families, and even go out of their way to be sensitive to their situation, but their technical procedures and protocols don't take those things into account. Sure, one of their goals overlaps with the family's goal of finding their loved one, but not for the same reasons.

How many times have we seen a family trying desperately to obtain information about their missing loved one from law enforcement only to be rebuffed, and in some cases, ignored altogether?

We should not ascribe altruistic, compassionate intentions/priorities to a government body that is, by design and by mandate, supposed to operate independently of those things.

JMO.

I respectfully disagree.

In missing-person cases, law enforcement is trained to prioritize finding the victim first, and solving the crime second. But everything depends on the theory they adopt early.

If leaders believe it’s a planned kidnapping, resources go to DNA, phones, and suspect identification. If they believe it’s a panic-driven crime with possible abandonment, resources go to search-and-rescue and terrain recovery.

Both approaches claim to be victim-first, but they rely on very different assumptions. When early conclusions are wrong, time-critical recovery efforts can be sidelined, and time is the one thing you never get back. MOO

 

[SaraSmile]

I have no clue if he's an accepted source here but I find him to be incredibly rude in the rare live feed I've listened to and will not watch any of his videos.

IMO

I like Grey Hughes, that’s just his voice( may sound snarky), if you are not used to it. And he does very long videos. He is really very respected in most circles.

JMO