• #36,841
[My use of initials in the quote]

A different neighbor, G B, said there was a large police presence in the area.

“When there was so much police presence with the helicopters and the drones, unbeknownst to us what was going on. I have to say that was a bit disconcerting, but you know, whatever they need do,” Breeding told Newsweek.

She said the neighborhood is typically “quiet.”


Nancy Guthrie's neighbors shocked by abduction: "Everyone is just scared"


all imo
The issue is that who would call APS when the eyes of LE/FBI /the world are on this home and situation and we know she's not there and the what's the point? Can't evaluate her. Mentally or physically. Why would ANYONE CALL THEM IN? jmo

Per the link the neighbors did not know what was going on with the large response.

Only the neighbor knows why they called but I feel confident that it was made out of pure concern and love for Mrs. Guthrie and her family.

The neighbors have been quoted expressing their love for their kind, friendly neighbor NG.

Questioning repeatedly, publicly, when a neighbor has already been outed as the caller, and pressing for why a neighbor would call is disregarding the privacy of NG and the confidentiality of a citizens report.

All imo
 
  • #36,842
DBM - remind me to read the WHOLE article before I reply.
 
  • #36,843
Anyone have a source that shows search party was told they need a permit?
 
  • #36,844
Thanks for your perspective. I certainly will take into account the opinion of someone who actually lives there.
His issues are easily googleable. That's all I'll say. I will admit that this case would be difficult even for someone who has a different perspective or has dealt with high profile cases before. I can't speak to his handling of this case, although a lot gives me pause. It's just the whole picture from several years to now colors my opinion.
 
  • #36,845
His issues are easily googleable. That's all I'll say. I will admit that this case would be difficult even for someone who has a different perspective or has dealt with high profile cases before. I can't speak to his handling of this case, although a lot gives me pause. It's just the whole picture from several years to now colors my opinion.

Wasn't he involved in the investigation of the 2011 Tucson shooting that targeted Gabby Giffords?
That was pretty high profile but I agree nothing like this.
 
  • #36,846
Details on the chopper that flew a grid over a landfill yesterday:

Tyler Sturges with a company called Volare Helicopters tells Fox he flew over the landfill yesterday with a laser to do mapping. He insists it was not Guthrie-related. Said he'd be happy to help w/ Guthrie though.

 
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  • #36,848
I too think they released (and rereleased) the crime scene way too early. It is an issue of potential contamination of evidence.

Assuming the perp(s) are caught, this really leaves a mess for the Prosecutors of this case. The Defense will poke all sorts of holes into evidence contamination.

JMO
I was surprised at the early release of the scene, only because there was no need to. No one needed to get back into the home, they had to anticipate looky loos. It would have been pretty easy to keep up the tape, just in case. Or temporary fencing, given the well known relative of the victim. They could have even approached the family and spoken to them about hiring their own security. The Moscow scene was cordoned off until the house was demolished. Tent, ladders, roof, floodlights, welcome mat and lantana could have all been handled without much ado.
 
  • #36,849
Per the link the neighbors did not know what was going on with the large response.

Only the neighbor knows why they called but I feel confident that it was made out of pure concern and love for Mrs. Guthrie and her family.

The neighbors have been quoted expressing their love for their kind, friendly neighbor NG.

Questioning repeatedly, publicly, when a neighbor has already been outed as the caller, and pressing for why a neighbor would call is disregarding the privacy of NG and the confidentiality of a citizens report.

All imo
Very well said, thank you! The business card is a non-issue which keeps resurfacing from some who want to implicate a neighbor in a crime. I even saw at least one post pondering if it could have been the perp leaving it??? It's clear to most everyone that the card was left as a prospective resource to help Nancy in the event she needed assistance as an older lady. There's no mystery about it and it's been addressed over and over, thus, redundant to bring it up again and again.
MOO
 
  • #36,850
What has always worried me is the blood on the porch. If perp had gun, and intended to kidnap for ransom, WHY injure Nancy and complicate things? She was not strong, so should have been easily controlled by a stronger person. Then add the threat of a gun, I don't see Nancy fighting, so why was she injured? If they were really kidnapping her, they wouldn't want an old injured abductee that might need medical help, or supplies, and leave lot's of DNA/blood behind to connect cars and places to the crime?
I think she was injured because she tried to yell for help jmvho
 
  • #36,851
Details on the chopper that flew a grid over a landfill yesterday:

Tyler Sturges with a company called Volare Helicopters tells Fox he flew over the landfill yesterday with a laser to do mapping. He insists it was not Guthrie-related. Said he'd be happy to help w/ Guthrie though.

yeah, LIDAR is for taking precise mapping of elevation. guessing it was either the dump wanting to know how much room they have left or someone doing an evironmental study of how trash settles/subsides over time.
 
  • #36,852
Very well said, thank you! The business card is a non-issue which keeps resurfacing from some who want to implicate a neighbor in a crime. I even saw at least one post pondering if it could have been the perp leaving it??? It's clear to most everyone that the card was left as a prospective resource to help Nancy in the event she needed assistance as an older lady. There's no mystery about it and it's been addressed over and over, thus, redundant to bring it up again and again.
MOO

I feel there are those who are bringing it up to suggest that Nancy must have been mistreated in some way and someone called it in because they were concerned.
I am not ready to make that leap when we don't know exactly who called or why.
 
  • #36,853
You all are so critical of Nanos saying he is unreliable etc. what if he made a mistake when he said a neighbor is the one who called?

Others opined it could have been triggered by an automatic alert.
NOT SURE what Nanos HAS TO DO WITH MY POST ABOUT THE APS CARD. I AM PROBABLY ONE OF THE FEW PEOPLE HERE WHO IS NOT INTO LE BASHING, btw. I find the timing suspect. Someone could have called the Friday before, in anticipation that NO ONE would have found NG missing and sending someone there to discover it. Why was someone sent there or more importantly appeared THERE, with all the publicity surrounding the case? This is not logical! I cannot think of one sound reason that a neighbor or any concerned citizen would call APS AFTER NG was discovered missing. I think there's some merit in thinking that APS was called BEFORE NG was missing to ensure her absence was discovered. JMO
 
  • #36,854
And I would bring dog treats to break in! German Shepard are easily bribed!
True, all big dogs are like that. I have 4 small ones--3 Toy Poodles and a Yorkie. You can't hear yourself think, when they start barking. I also have cameras all over, inside and out. And a gun. But my real security is the dogs. Yes, they can be a bother, but the advantages far outweigh anything bad. (And I'm saying this after stepping in dog mess, with BRAND NEW shoes on. Twice in one week!)
 
  • #36,855
NOT SURE what Nanos HAS TO DO WITH MY POST ABOUT THE APS CARD. I AM PROBABLY ONE OF THE FEW PEOPLE HERE WHO IS NOT INTO LE BASHING, btw. I find the timing suspect. Someone could have called the Friday before, in anticipation that NO ONE would have found NG missing and sending someone there to discover it. Why was someone sent there or more importantly appeared THERE, with all the publicity surrounding the case? This is not logical! I cannot think of one sound reason that a neighbor or any concerned citizen would call APS AFTER NG was discovered missing. I think there's some merit in thinking that APS was called BEFORE NG was missing to ensure her absence was discovered. JMO

That is quite an intricate theory.

First of all you would have to figure out who exactly called and why they called.

When was the APS card first reported about and/or seen on her door?
 
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good afternoon!

With respect I'm wondering if it's your opinion that the only priority of law enforcement in a kidnapping case is locating and prosecuting the criminal vs. locating the victim or is there a source for this? I thought the priority was always locating the victim in a kidnapping case.

Re: Find Criminals vs find NG. I understand the two sides of the case,
catching the criminal to keep society safe, vs finding a missing loved one.
After 3 weeks, I think LE is doing everything they can to conduct both parts of the case.

In this case, list below, what LE is likely persuing:

1. those who abducted NG, the real suspects that need to be identified, right away for public safety( NG’s abduction likely was targeted, so no real public threat), bad for LE that the person/ people are still out there, free in society. At this time, the criminals who abducted NG must be found above all. JMO

2. Looking for NG, at this point, I’m very sorry, very likely NG has passed. Still she needs to be brought home. I believe in the beginning, they were urgently looking for an alive NG, this search continues, but not sure of her condition RN. Finding her could help catch the criminal ( DNA, other clues). So, IMO, there is still a huge search for NG , even if she has passed.

3. The ransom people( opportunists, IMO), try to catch, separate crime, likely not involved, won’t help to find abductors or NG. JMO

I think in child or elder missing persons, they say the first 48 hours are the most important, so maybe first priority in the very beginning was to find NG. After a short time, especially for children, it’s unlikely to find them alive, but LE of course, continues to search. I would think an adult could live longer, but we are not sure if NG was kept safe, at all…😢

Just a few thoughts.

JMO
 
  • #36,857
Thanks. I hope they take him up on his offer.
I am skeptical of this. Earlier this week this same helicopter was circling NGs home and also various search-like circles around Tucson all at 500 ft and under 80kts.

I find it hard to be believe that LE has only used the sniffer device the one time over her house on February 3 and by foot when agents went door to door. Has LE seriously not thought to check the local landfill? I know there's a million possible spots NG could be but the landfill seems like a plausible location to cross off the list for peace of mind in the investigation.
JMO
 
  • #36,858
NOT SURE what Nanos HAS TO DO WITH MY POST ABOUT THE APS CARD. I AM PROBABLY ONE OF THE FEW PEOPLE HERE WHO IS NOT INTO LE BASHING, btw. I find the timing suspect. Someone could have called the Friday before, in anticipation that NO ONE would have found NG missing and sending someone there to discover it. Why was someone sent there or more importantly appeared THERE, with all the publicity surrounding the case? This is not logical! I cannot think of one sound reason that a neighbor or any concerned citizen would call APS AFTER NG was discovered missing. I think there's some merit in thinking that APS was called BEFORE NG was missing to ensure her absence was discovered. JMO
THAT would have been a great clue as to who had knowledge PRE-CRIME that she would be missing. Case would be solved, by now. jmo
 
  • #36,859
I think she was injured because she tried to yell for help jmvho
Over fifty years of living in her same beautiful, expansive, quiet home and she must have felt perfectly safe because past history dictated it was safe. Fifty years! NG was likely sleeping soundly when the perp entered her bedroom in the middle of the night, and I imagine she was groggy and not totally awake or even comprehending what was happening due to the shock of the circumstances. She was likely overpowered immediately, unable to have any normal reaction. We will never know unless she is found safe and sound to inform us.
MOO
 
  • #36,860
I am skeptical of this. Earlier this week this same helicopter was circling NGs home and also various search-like circles around Tucson all at 500 ft and under 80kts.

I find it hard to be believe that LE has only used the sniffer device the one time over her house on February 3 and by foot when agents went door to door. Has LE seriously not thought to check the local landfill? I know there's a million possible spots NG could be but the landfill seems like a plausible location to cross off the list for peace of mind in the investigation.
JMO

Good point. Maybe done on the down low. We don't need to know LE's every move.
 

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