• #36,921
When you search for NG's address on Google Maps and look at satellite view it labels her neighbor's house (the gemologist) with her address rather than hers. I think we are allowed to post her address here-- 5820 N Camino Escalante, in case anyone wants to see for themselves.

Did the perpetrator(s) also get the address wrong?
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Is this what you mean? You key in 5820N but the Google view shows 5822N ? I wonder if it's numbered as a double lot though? What address is the neighbor's home supposed to be?
 
  • #36,922
When you search for NG's address on Google Maps and look at satellite view it labels her neighbor's house (the gemologist) with her address rather than hers. I think we are allowed to post her address here-- 5820 N Camino Escalante, in case anyone wants to see for themselves.

Did the perpetrator(s) also get the address wrong?
WOW, very good question! jmo
 
  • #36,923
Truth is ,somebody somewhere knows something.In digital world where everything is recorded on some kind of device.If they were map out the Guthrie house with the closest business in all directions and watch all available cvc footage from time of believed kidnapping and watch and note all vehicles traveling towards Guthrie house then account time it would take to take her and then see which cars come back threw..yes it would take alot of man hours but it's something and I'm positive the perp will be right there

--Traffic cams in Tuscon on main streets are DOT operated and do not record at all (per police clarification). No police cams or flock cams in the entire city. So no footage on nearby main roads.
--No street lights and traffic cams in the immediate neighborhood.
--Low light ordinance makes it pitch dark, and houses have privacy hedges/landscaping, set back so residential cameras do not record past their immediate home circle.
--NG's own cameras, no subscription, DIY type installs that did not prioritize security, no reach to street to record cars

It's a rare surveillance blind spot/perfect storm that complicates the case.
 
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This is really sad. The more you think about it, the more you realize she probably didn't make it out of her house alive.
This is my thinking as well. Otherwise, why remove her from her home? They certainly weren't asking for a ransom. (Nobody would wait days to concoct a ransom email.)

In my opinion, this is someone NG recognized. He knew she could and would identify him. Therefore, he took steps to ensure that didn't happen.

My mind keeps returning to the retired FBI Profiler who once stated that if an elderly female, who lives alone, is raped and murdered, it's usually going to be the teenage son of a neighbor.

I'd be investigating that route. MOO.
 
  • #36,925
This is my thinking as well. Otherwise, why remove her from her home? They certainly weren't asking for a ransom. (Nobody would wait days to concoct a ransom email.)

In my opinion, this is someone NG recognized. He knew she could and would identify him. Therefore, he took steps to ensure that didn't happen.

My mind keeps returning to the retired FBI Profiler who once stated that if an elderly female, who lives alone, is raped and murdered, it's usually going to be the teenage son of a neighbor.

I'd be investigating that route. MOO.
Have seen a few true crime documentaries where it wound up being the teen son of neighbors.

I wonder if they have explored that scenario?🤔
 
  • #36,926
--Traffic cams in Tuscon on main streets are DOT operated and do not record at all (per police clarification). No police cams or flock cams in the entire city. So no footage on nearby main roads.
--No street lights and traffic cams in the immediate neighborhood.
--Low light ordinance makes it pitch dark, and houses have privacy hedges/landscaping, set back so residential cameras do not record past their immediate home circle.
--NG's own cameras, no subscription, DIY type installs that did not prioritize security, no reach to street to record cars

It's a rare surveillance blind spot/perfect storm that complicates the case.

And the cameras that you see on the mast arms next to traffic signals are not traffic cams at all. They do not record anyone running the red lights or any traffic accidents that occur at intersections.

They are aimed to detect vehicles that are stopped at the stop bar waiting for the red light to turn green.
 
  • #36,927
--Traffic cams in Tuscon on main streets are DOT operated and do not record at all (per police clarification). No police cams or flock cams in the entire city. So no footage on nearby main roads.
--No street lights and traffic cams in the immediate neighborhood.
--Low light ordinance makes it pitch dark, and houses have privacy hedges/landscaping, set back so residential cameras do not record past their immediate home circle.
--NG's own cameras, no subscription, DIY type installs that did not prioritize security, no reach to street to record cars

It's a rare surveillance blind spot/perfect storm that complicates the case.
You summed up this city pretty well. Excellent detective work
 
  • #36,928
Respectfully, I disagree. The family has spoken when there was a calculated decision by the family and LE that it'd help the investigation. We are eager for insight, but the family doesn't need to perform in public for our entertainment. They owe nothing more to the public than cooperation with LE.

The family released video clips early on to reach the kidnapper, the ransom note writer, and their mother and to plead for help from the public. The clips accomplished LE and the family's goals. But at tremendous cost to family members. Every twitch or tear, or lack of it, was dissected as implicating or exculpating family members. Their words themselves were parsed for possible hidden meanings.

The family statements came at tremendous costs to family members. AG, who is not a celebrity like her sister or hardened military like her brother, who is coping with a horrific nightmare, and who is parenting a young child, the subject of intense speculation that she is a murderer or enabling a spouse who is. The family was harassed night and day to the point they were forced to leave the comfort of their own home at a time when they needed that familiar refuge

If appropriate, I am certain the family will speak out again. Not because we'd appreciate insights into family dynamics or to attest to their agony but because LE or the family believe conveying a tailored message publicly at that time will be helpful to the investigation.

Posting with respect to everyone here. MOO.


Word for word, perfectly stated @Bodhi.

This is my exact opinion, as well.

Savannah is a public figure, but this is private anguish. She’s not on display for us and neither are her siblings.

I agree 1000% that they spoke out when they felt it necessary, and/or on legal advice. I appreciate that they didn’t waste precious time and emotion dispelling rumors about a family member being the culprit.

We, the curious public, want to know more, but we don’t have to know anything other than if Nancy is found, somehow.

The unresolved nature of a crime like this is so much worse than losing your mother to natural causes. Whether Nancy is alive, or died a minute after the invasion, it’s unbearable that she had to have been so frightened. And knew her family would suffer over her.

JMO
 
  • #36,929
Apologies if this has already been discussed or asked....but do we know anything about the possibility of NG having work done on her house in the past year or so. Thinking along the lines of building contractors. Any way to look that up online?
There has been suspicion that the roof was recently worked on.

 
  • #36,930
On MONDAY everyone knew she was missing. If something was amiss..the normal person would call LE for a welfare check. She was found missing SUNDAY at noonish. People wouldn't call APS reflexively for a welfare check. Lady left APS card reportedly Monday around 6pm. That's what had been reported here but I don't know if that is accurate. Since NANOS has clearly been asked about this and and addressed it at his news conference, and imo the answer made no sense, ( a neighbor called), when it was already 24/7 on the news, We here that question it, are not out of line JMO
In my experience,, Some people DO call APS when a friend doesn't answer. A "wellness" check is useless in my area because they come once and never again. You could be lying on the floor needing help and too bad. An APS case needs to be closed out with certain steps making sure that even no self-neglect is happening. Nanos said the call was made on the day she went missing. Sunday. If the call was not specified as an emergency, it would not have been prioritized as an emergency, again, IME. The APS worker has a job to do which is check on the call. Which they did and left a card. They have to do their job, doesn't matter what is going on. They have a box to check. Again, IME.

I was pointing out that the CALL could easily have been made before anyone knew she was missing and the APS person just completed their task. No conspiracy, just what they should be doing. It doesn't mean there isn't some weird thing going on, just that on the surface what happened makes sense.
 
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  • #36,931
I feel like we were kind of spoiled with AB's show every evening during the week during the Idaho investigation.
There's still reporting going on. Search for Ashleigh Banfield and Brian Entin on YouTube.
 
  • #36,932
Totally agree. Your response was a masterpiece of restraint. The perverse pleasure or ghoulish delight or misplaced expectations by those who want to see or experience their agony or raw emotions is concerning and suggests Roman spectacle and dark entertainment. These are personal decisions, as is paying ransom, and the choices made by the siblings, to me, are beyond our judgment in this forum and frankly in life more generally. This are more than my opinions. They are my deep convictions even as I note that this is most certainly not a course in ethics. Anyway, thank you for the post.
I think some of it comes because of how other cases went as far as family being on tv and making pleas to the press and public. Lacey Peterson's family, Ron Goldman and many other cases families were always looking for every opportunity to speak because that is how THEY felt they could help best. Some cases get no attention at all and families never get to speak, even locally. It is weird to me that some people think there is a cookie cutter way to handle these situations and unless they have been in it they have no idea how they would handle it.

SG being a media personality it has to be so hard and she is probably going to want to go back to work at some point and is probably dreading the backlash of some who will lash out "how dare she go back to work" blah blah blah. In 2026 everyone is an expert on everyone else's lives but are clueless about their own lives, we just have to ignore those types of people. I blame reality tv and this whole celeb worship for making people think they have the RIGHT to know everything about everyone and they want answers NOW.

We have tmz, youtube, instagram, facebook and how many others just putting out things as fact and there is no responsibility to correct errors. (I mean tmz does correct things and they have been much better lately, lots better) I really thought back in the day these sm sites would help so much in solving crimes or obtaining leads but some of them are just grifters who will latch onto any story and spew bs just for hits and to build their channels. Too many of them to even try to call them out and ask them to stop and understand they could be hindering a live person from being found, ugh.

I have a very love/hate relationship with all this sm stuff. Here is where I get the most logical answers and here I will stay. People here may sort of argue and disagree but at the end of the day we all want the victims back with their families and aren't trying to insert ourselves into the stories for our 15 mins, that stuff is so vile.

Please let this coming week be the week the family finally gets their mama back.
 
  • #36,933
When you search for NG's address on Google Maps and look at satellite view it labels her neighbor's house (the gemologist) with her address rather than hers. I think we are allowed to post her address here-- 5820 N Camino Escalante, in case anyone wants to see for themselves.

Did the perpetrator(s) also get the address wrong?

Wow, I looked at street view and am taken aback by how isolated the area appears from the road. There is car height brush along the road everywhere, and you really can’t see the houses. It makes me think unless someone crept into her yard there was no way they parked and studied her movements. A car parked for days would stand out like a sore thumb and would essentially have to be in the driveway to note any movements.

The map appears to be inaccurate, so perhaps Nancy’s house was visible from the road.
 
  • #36,934
Aerial View.webp
At NG House.webp
Across the Street.webp
To the SW.webp


These photos from Google Street View highlight the reason for the absense of videos from neighboring houses. From the aerial photo, you can see that only NG's house actually faces the road in front of her house, unlike neighborhoods we are accustomer to in most residential areas. The top right photo is standing in the street, looking directly at NG's...her drive on the right. In her case, her house faces the road, but is almost completely blocked by vegitation. A camera on the house would not catch any useful vehicle information of a car on the road in the dark. The house across the road is elevated and has its back toward NG's and is almost unseen from the street (bottom left photo). A look up and down the street, example bottom right makes it clear just how obscurred from view any street traffic is in this area, compounded by the lack of lighting of any sort. You have to travel a fair distance before you start getting into areas where there are businesses that may have cameras. JMO, given the constraints, I am not surprised by the lack of vehicle info videos, as far as we know.
 
  • #36,935
WOW, very good question! jmo
If they got the wrong address, why did they kidnap Nancy? Why did they send a ransom note to TMZ, an entertainment outlet, on Monday? JMO
 
  • #36,936
This is my thinking as well. Otherwise, why remove her from her home? They certainly weren't asking for a ransom. (Nobody would wait days to concoct a ransom email.)

In my opinion, this is someone NG recognized. He knew she could and would identify him. Therefore, he took steps to ensure that didn't happen.

My mind keeps returning to the retired FBI Profiler who once stated that if an elderly female, who lives alone, is raped and murdered, it's usually going to be the teenage son of a neighbor.

I'd be investigating that route. MOO.
Call me crazy, but I think the plan was to kidnap her and did. If she died in the house, then they would have left her there.
 
  • #36,937
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Is this what you mean? You key in 5820N but the Google view shows 5822N ? I wonder if it's numbered as a double lot though? What address is the neighbor's home supposed to be?
This is street view, I'm referring to satellite view (where you see the roofs of the houses). Nearest neighbor to NG is 5800 and it appears there are only 2 houses on the 5800 block before you hit a perpendicular street...
 
  • #36,938
This has probably been asked and answered already. I cant seem to find it on any media or on this forum. Why havent LE or FBi conducted any ground searches?
They searched adjacent roads (thus the recovered gloves) and overhead air searches- there is a lot of cactus so....
 
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When you search for NG's address on Google Maps and look at satellite view it labels her neighbor's house (the gemologist) with her address rather than hers. I think we are allowed to post her address here-- 5820 N Camino Escalante, in case anyone wants to see for themselves.

Did the perpetrator(s) also get the address wrong?
Interesting thought but I'm not a fan of the gem show theory. Burglaries statistically happen during day time so they can verify that the homeowner is gone/house is empty. And they are skiddish and quick like cats. They choose the path of least resistance because the main objective is to get in and get out.

Lantana man shows the exact opposite of that in the footage. Gloved and masked up to be prepared to commit serious crime, dismantles cameras, moves slowly. He also walks up to the front of the house where there's clearly a metal door in front of another door which would be a considerable task to gain entry to if you're looking for a quick robbery. Unless he's a formidable lock picker.

JMO
 

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