AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Kudzuu]

Per APS vs Wellness Check:

I have had wellness checks called on me because my ex thought I was kidnapped by my brother's motorcycle gang. 2 LE came at 2 am and banged on my door and shined lights in my window until I could wake up and get dressed. 4 times.

Unless the neighbor suspected NG was being abused APS had no reason to show up. It doesn't make sense.

I had this happen with the aforementioned ex. APS came out and interviewed the caregivers. They knew they were coming and when. They don't just show up and leave a card like a landscaper. Calling APS is serious as is WChecks.

I would think APS would have to CTA if NG didn't answer the door.

JMO

 

[teeandcee]

In my experience,, Some people DO call APS when a friend doesn't answer. A "wellness" check is useless in my area because they come once and never again. You could be lying on the floor needing help and too bad. An APS case needs to be closed out with certain steps making sure that even no self-neglect is happening. Nanos said the call was made on the day she went missing. Sunday. If the call was not specified as an emergency, it would not have been prioritized as an emergency, again, IME. The APS worker has a job to do which is check on the call. Which they did and left a card. They have to do their job, doesn't matter what is going on. They have a box to check. Again, IME.

I was pointing out that the CALL could easily have been made before anyone knew she was missing and the APS person just completed their task. No conspiracy, just what they should be doing. It doesn't mean there isn't some weird thing going on, just that on the surface what happened makes sense.

Is it normal to call APS instead of the police? I’ve been involved in a couple of wellness checks, and the police were called both times. Calling an elderly service never entered our minds.

 

[EncyclopediaBrownJr]

This is my thinking as well. Otherwise, why remove her from her home? They certainly weren't asking for a ransom. (Nobody would wait days to concoct a ransom email.)

In my opinion, this is someone NG recognized. He knew she could and would identify him. Therefore, he took steps to ensure that didn't happen.

My mind keeps returning to the retired FBI Profiler who once stated that if an elderly female, who lives alone, is raped and murdered, it's usually going to be the teenage son of a neighbor.

I'd be investigating that route. MOO.

Like a young Cesar baron. Only found out about him recently through an episode of evil lives here.

 

[fridaybaker]

No, weirdly enough when you search the adjacent house's address, it doesn't show any address over NG's house even though every other house in the neighborhood shows an address. I don't know what to make of it, but, to me, it seems like wrong house/wrong burglary makes the most "sense" when combined with the known facts of the case.

I’m guessing that the family asked for this since she’s the mother of a celeb/wealthy person. ? Like some houses are blurred out on Zillow.

 

[maskedwoman]

Very well said, thank you! The business card is a non-issue which keeps resurfacing from some who want to implicate a neighbor in a crime. I even saw at least one post pondering if it could have been the perp leaving it??? It's clear to most everyone that the card was left as a prospective resource to help Nancy in the event she needed assistance as an older lady. There's no mystery about it and it's been addressed over and over, thus, redundant to bring it up again and again.
MOO

I agree. Total non-issue. Perhaps it's a matter of wanting at least one thing explained in a case where so much remains unresolved, but IMO the case is not going to be solved by any details related to that APS business card.

 

[stmichael]

Call me crazy, but I think the plan was to kidnap her and did. If she died in the house, then they would have left her there.

There's a reason "get rid of the body" is a trope.

Currently, this case is still a missing person's no other official crime has been filed. First thing I could see some low level criminal doing if they accidentally killed her --which is a good possibility-- is "oh my god, man, she's dead. We've got to get rid of the body." And if they were prepared to remove her alive, they could remove her deceased.

Not too hard to do in the vast desert and even nearby washes, and would get rid of definitive evidence of a greater crime. The actual searches conducted were minimal given the surrounding area (and time frame before being declared missing.

 

[maskedwoman]

Uh, how many people were detained on February 13?

Initial reporting from Fox News after the SWAT activity said 3 people were detained in connection to the execution of that search warrant and one person was detained in a traffic stop of a Range Rover in connection to that search warrant, but it wasn't clear if that was supposed to be 3 total or 4 total. I took it to mean 3, but a later update of that article refers to the Range Rover driver and "Three other people detained at a nearby home", implying 4 total people. A later update of that article says "Officials on Saturday confirmed to Fox News Digital the FBI was executing a federal search warrant at a house in the Catalina foothills, with four people detained and later released." (Fox News)

NewsNation said "three people were detained at two scenes" a man and woman at a house and a man in a vehicle (presumably the Range Rover) that was "reportedly" headed toward the house. I can't find a tweet from him supporting this, but people on the thread reported NewsNation's Brian Entin, who was live reporting from the house, witnessed the man and woman coming out. (NewsNation)

Now though, MikeRReports is saying "Two men have been detained in the case and released without charges." The first is CP, the delivery driver from Rio Rico who was detained while driving on February 10th (KATV). The second matches LD, who has come forward and identified as having been detained on February 13, and whose mother was detained (ABC News). It is not made explicit, but since it was LD's home and LD's mom at the home, it seems implied that he was one of the people detained at the home.

In any case, MikeRReports says two men total, but we know of one man on Feb. 11 (CP), and two men on Feb. 13 (one at the house and one at the Range Rover)--that's three men, not to mention Fox's reporting that three people were detained at the home on Feb 13 (though if that person wasn't a man, they wouldn't be included in MikeRReports's tweet on detained men....) And in this thread I've seen lots of people refer to LD as the Range Rover driver, but I have no idea where that's coming from either. Since LD's statement refers to LD and his mother being detained, and we know a man and woman were detained at the house, it seems most likely that LD was detained as the house and the RR driver has yet to be identified

As they say, the math ain't mathing....

However many there were, they must have been released since no one has been charged. MOO

 

[cathathorse]

If they got the wrong address, why did they kidnap Nancy? Why did they send a ransom note to TMZ, an entertainment outlet, on Monday? JMO

We don't know if the ransom note was from the actual people who took Nancy. These are just theories but they could have kidnapped her because when they couldn't find the gems they thought would be there, they threatened her and she said something like, "my daughter has money-- she will pay you not to hurt me!" Or maybe they took her thinking she was a member of the gemologist's family and planned to send a ransom note to him, then discovered she was actually not related to him at all and they were in way over their heads.

 

[cathathorse]

Interesting thought but I'm not a fan of the gem show theory. Burglaries statistically happen during day time so they can verify that the homeowner is gone/house is empty. And they are skiddish and quick like cats. They choose the path of least resistance because the main objective is to get in and get out.

Lantana man shows the exact opposite of that in the footage. Gloved and masked up to be prepared to commit serious crime, dismantles cameras, moves slowly. He also walks up to the front of the house where there's clearly a metal door in front of another door which would be a considerable task to gain entry to if you're looking for a quick robbery. Unless he's a formidable lock picker.

JMO

What if they needed the homeowner/gemologist there because they expected his gems would be in a safe?

 

[Moonchime]

Is this a cold case?

I sure hope not.

 

[cathathorse]

I’m guessing that the family asked for this since she’s the mother of a celeb/wealthy person. ? Like some houses are blurred out on Zillow.

I know what you are referring to with the blurring... however, the house is not blurred on street view, which means it wasn't requested to be blurred by anyone.

 

[SlimPickens]

Maybe they did pay some or all of it! It went into a black hole in the dark web, no response after.

The family confirmed the ransom people were hoaxes. All so sad to think of, desperation! I would be so desperate too!

Now on to finding NG another way. It is hard to believe that LE have not found the car on a camera the original night. It would lead to so much info, especially where NG was left, after the abduction. Car would lead to big clues where to search. Plus DNA, owner, driver of car, plus more!

Need to identify the getaway car!

JMO

It is interesting that once the deadline passed there appeared to be no more ransom communications (at least with media and as far as we know no one else). Either this means they didn't pay, the demand was serious, consequences were doled out, and no further communications, or they did pay and got swindled.

JMO.

 

[watson1]

Hoping LE have canvassed storage units in Tucson and within a 2 hour radius; if a party needed to move a body quickly and already had a storage unit, it could have been a "solution" to the immediate problem; just my opinion and speculation, but something that should be on the list of things looked into, in my opinion, even if it is unlikely.

 

[Napoli]

There has been suspicion that the roof was recently worked on.

Nancy Guthrie neighbor reveals what sparked fears before sharing tip

Nancy Guthrie's neighbor gave police vital information that prompted them to search the roof of her home Friday after she went missing last weekend.

www.dailymail.co.uk

KOLD news anchor Mary Coleman appeared Wednesday on CNN and said the note contained 'information that only someone who is holding her for ransom would know'. That settles it for me. Ransom writer and perp are the same person/persons. jmo

 

[maskedwoman]

I find this really odd- I understand LE needs to maintain a PR/Legal stance to protect people's private property. However, a volunteer search party most likely would be aiding the search by looking at open uninhabited land (areas LE has yet to look at). I highly doubt they'd go trampling in and around people's homes/yards (since investigators already looked here) JMO.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2025323079778628034

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Respectfully, I disagree. Some people have no common sense. I can totally see private searchers trespassing and possibly even entering storage buildings, etc. Plus, it is not always easy to tell whether a property is privately owned or just wilderness. JMO

 

[watson1]

--Traffic cams in Tuscon on main streets are DOT operated and do not record at all (per police clarification). No police cams or flock cams in the entire city. So no footage on nearby main roads.
--No street lights and traffic cams in the immediate neighborhood.
--Low light ordinance makes it pitch dark, and houses have privacy hedges/landscaping, set back so residential cameras do not record past their immediate home circle.
--NG's own cameras, no subscription, DIY type installs that did not prioritize security, no reach to street to record cars

It's a rare surveillance blind spot/perfect storm that complicates the case.

LE needs to put a request in to the National Reconnaissance Office. The NRO has full satellite coverage of all the US 24/7. It takes time, but they can pull sat imagery and then work through it. Perhaps they have requested it , IMO, fwiw.

 

[Donswife48]

I know, reporters really stayed on it, during the Idaho 4 case. Even Nancy Grace sat out in the cold, in front of the house. Brian Entin, from Florida, bundled up, of course, really on it, as usual, every detail! Many other you tubers, really good.

Re NG’s case, I don’t think the case has gone cold at all! LE is waiting for the inside house DNA results, STR, then maybe IGG, the person will be known eventually, it’s just whether they are associated with the crime.

Maybe more searches in the brush, within one mile, look for more evidence to test, even if a long shot. Go to nearby trailheads, abandoned barns, railroads or random dump sites, drivable
Dirt roads. Look for disturbs brush. I know it was noted because roads are a combo hard packed dirt, sand, crushed gravel, it’s like “ concrete”, usually can’t get tracks, just see disturbed dirt.
It’s all good. Need more searches. JMO

All JMO

After 3 weeks, why are LE still waiting for the inside house DNA results? JMO

 

[maskedwoman]

There's miles and miles of desert, state park, etc. that LE is not searching because they don't have time or resources. They've spent 3 weeks only looking within 2 miles of the home. Time is NOT our friend. With animals and environmental conditions her body could be slowly disappearing. If they don't look for her now their only chance to find her might be gone. Sheriff already did damage to this case. If the community is offering their assistance to search they should be allowed to with guidance from LE. If they can find her body, the location of said body, or finding cause of death via autopsy might be able to provide more clues to LE to trace where the perp may have came from or went to. I understand your point but I'd imagine if searchers stumbled upon something they would notify LE and not disturb the area.

JMO

True, but if a bunch of people are out looking and accidentally stumble across her body, they could trample right through whatever evidence is nearby and make it useless.

 

[Bluewing3102]

Respectfully, I disagree. Some people have no common sense. I can totally see private searchers trespassing and possibly even entering storage buildings, etc. Plus, it is not always easy to tell whether a property is privately owned or just wilderness. JMO

I understand this. Thats why I think these private searchers should organize and check around local hiking trails, washes along the roadside and land around state parks.

 

[stmichael]

What I find most amazing is that IF there really is an accomplice, that loose lips haven't sunk the ship by now. This has become a mystery attracting world-wide attention. To know someone or something even tangentially-related to the abduction and fate of Nancy Guthrie would eventually be too much for someone to keep to themselves.

To expand on that, kidnappers would not want the heat of holding NG now if they haven't received their ransom, and would want to cut her loose. Stashing out and taking care of a kidnapped elderly medically compromised person that has nuclear heat on you is not desirable to any level criminal. At this point it would be a huge mess.

If she was alive and still being held they would cut her loose, full court press the ransom and maybe even go more public (a la TMZ), or sadly kill and dispose of her. She only has value as a bargaining chip, it's not like some young woman they can sell into a Mexican prison and disappear her that way.