AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[ab01]

I wish Tim Miller and Equusearch would com in. I know it’s hard area to be searched - but he’s the man - imo.

I’m not sure there’s enough evidence for proper searches at this point.

I love Tim and the work he does is amazing, but I’m not sure now’s the time for that unfortunately. moo

 

[Sadi]

Good morning,
Did anyone watch Brian Entin’s update last night? Was there any big news? TIA

 

[aamillaa]

has anyone considered that the ransom note perps could have hacked into one of the LE computer systems to learn specific info about the case and details inside the house.

IMO, I think FBI worked with HL on his last statement - it was very put up or shut up. Nothing really left for the writer to say at this point, MOO.

Hoax or not, clearly the writer wants media attention. TMZ kept giving it. The last video HL made seem to signal that’s not happening anymore.

IMO, I think FBI convinced the family the notes (hoax or otherwise) are a dead end, for now at least. Family done cooperating with writer, not putting out any new videos. TMZ were the only ones still reacting. The last video made it seem like they wouldn’t anymore unless ransom not guy gives up what they know.

MOO

 

[Sadi]

My heart goes out to you. I said the same thing and It scares me too. I’ve been triple checking doors, vehicles, cameras, everything and leaving the TV on in the livingroom so it looks like someone is awake. We’ve had random people in our neighborhood the last 2-3 weeks or so laying fiber and they’ve been taking their breaks up against our fence. I’ve just been letting our dogs bark their heads off at them every now and then because I want them to know we have dogs, and that they’re big.

I can relate, all of this has made me feel so scared and checking our doors are always locked. I won’t even go downstairs at night by myself.

 

[aamillaa]

DBM

 

[Oldguy]

Have there been other unsolved disappearances of elderly people in the area?


Totally agree, this is 100% what I believe happened as well.
Immediately when I saw the footage, I got the vibe that this is what happened. Can't really explain why, just a horrible gut feeling.
What a terrible end for such a nice lady.
MOO

Yes. Someone asked if sexual assault would leave DNA off body. Well it likely would. But his backpack appears to contain tarps.
One goes under the victim.

This was so preventable. For example, she was just one loved German shepherd away from safety…

 

[aamillaa]

Hello folks...new here. I used to post on the EARONS forum. Got away from this fascinating stuff for a while but...can't stay away.
Regarding Nancy Guthrie...

My instinctive thoughts are:
1. Not a bungled burglary.
2. Not a ransom situation
3. Not a revenge on the family or the celebrity daughter.

This is, I believe, was a case of an offender with severe psychosexual issues, whose preferred victim(s) is an elderly woman. Nancy led a pretty open life. She was easy to find and surveil. She was incredibly vulnerable.

So on a night of a full moon, he struck. More accurately, he and his submissive sidekick (and likely) sometime sexual partner struck. (Partner probably a very dependent submissive male.)

The time within the house was the dominant partner doing his thing. Once completed...they could not leave a human with his DNA. So they exited with her. And no, Nancy is not with us.

Such offenders are not unknown...there was a guy in Philly a few years ago who selected elderly females.

I'm sorry to write these things-but they make sense to me and explain a lot of why nothing has turned up.

I hope I'm wrong. But I "knew" long before EAR was arrested that he was a cop, and then, a former cop. Based to a great extent on his ammunition selection.

I "knew" in 2004 that BTK was a local code enforcement officer. It just made sense to me.

Has this subject done this or something similar before? Almost certainly. What we know of the crime shows too much complexity and preparation for a first timer.

Will he (they) be caught? Probably. Eventually.

I would suggest that the bodies of any young men in Arizona who suffered a violent death in the near future be examined as a possible reference point to this crime. Tracing their network of acquaintances may lead to the dominant. Why do I say this? Partners, even dependent/submissive ones get antsy. And the dominant one would take care of business.

I hope I am wrong.

God bless her family and all who loved her...

Great post!

This was my initial thought. Some of the wonky-ness of the case (ransom note, etc) have made me reconsider other possibilities.

However, I think your theory makes the most sense and is the “simplest” answer outside of family being involved (and family has been cleared).

Whoever did this got very very lucky with the ransom notes bc (if they’re a hoax) the investigation seemed to really focus on them the first weekish or so. MOO

 

[K9Enzo]

I wish Tim Miller and Equusearch would come in. I know it’s hard area to be searched - but he’s the man - imo.

EquuSearch Texas is equipped and capable in AZ terrain (especially). However, Mr. Miller and team will not step foot in the search for NG unless specifically invited by LE. As it should be this way. IMO

 

[Sarahlou]

Yes. Someone asked if sexual assault would leave DNA off body. Well it likely would. But his backpack appears to contain tarps.
One goes under the victim.

This was so preventable. For example, she was just one loved German shepherd away from safety…

He had a gun and could have shot any dog.
I don't think this was that preventable. It could happen to anyone, but luckily it's incredibly rare.
I agree with you though in thinking this was probably sexually motivated.

 

[aamillaa]

Since there’s been some discussion on this exact topic here -

https://twitter.com/x/status/2025381117918941655

 

[Trino]

This theory was briefly touched on earlier but not talked about much. I'm thinking more that the criminals found the wrong house, that this was a robbery attempt related to the gem show. The Tucson gem show is HUGE, draws from all over the U.S. It is from mid-January through mid-February. The dates/timing is right.

I lived in Tucson for a while, have been there. It is open to the public, part is by invitation, part is in buildings, part is under tents. Anyway, the gem neighbor would have had real cash, would have had a home safe, a place to store valuables.

 

[Simply Southern]

Moo… the biological sample collect should have been sent to a lab that specializes in extracting mixed samples.

If he wasn’t gonna send to the FBI, I know where he should have sent ….its the BEST, MOST successful ….starts with “O”. It’s my very strong opinion.

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[SMK777]

This theory was briefly touched on earlier but not talked about much. I'm thinking more that the criminals found the wrong house, that this was a robbery attempt related to the gem show. The Tucson gem show is HUGE, draws from all over the U.S. It is from mid-January through mid-February. The dates/timing is right.

I lived in Tucson for a while, have been there. It is open to the public, part is by invitation, part is in buildings, part is under tents. Anyway, the gem neighbor would have had real cash, would have had a home safe, a place to store valuables.

That would be tragic in the extreme; if this actually had nothing to do with Nancy.

 

[aamillaa]

I’m so confused why Nanos would tell the public about the issues with the dna samples.

Either this case will be solved and we’ll all be blown away by the investigative techniques reveled in court docs. And many of us, myself included, will owe some apologies thinking this was mishandled.

Or… this is going the way of JBR.

MOO

 

[cherryleaf]

IMO, I think FBI worked with HL on his last statement - it was very put up or shut up. Nothing really left for the writer to say at this point, MOO.

Hoax or not, clearly the writer wants media attention. TMZ kept giving it. The last video HL made seem to signal that’s not happening anymore.

IMO, I think FBI convinced the family the notes (hoax or otherwise) are a dead end, for now at least. Family done cooperating with writer, not putting out any new videos. TMZ were the only ones still reacting. The last video made it seem like they wouldn’t anymore unless ransom not guy gives up what they know.

MOO

I’m not totally convinced that all the notes were a hoax just yet. We know at least one was. TMZ/FBI were, imo, right to stop giving the writer(s) attention tho. There could possibly be negations taking place behind the scenes. Regardless, imo the public doesn’t need to know or give this psycho the media attention they may be craving. I also believe the noose is tightening. They most likely have a really good behavioral and geographical profile idea of who they’re looking for and I do believe that they have suspects, even though that’s being denied at this time. Time may have been on the perps side in the beginning but not so much anymore. They’ll want all the T’s crossed and I’s dotted before they make an arrest. It’s coming. What’s done in the dark always comes to light. Prayers for Nancy and family.

 

[OldCop]

Re NG taking a Uber to her daughter Annie's home, and her son-in-law taking her home later, maybe that is just how they always did it. If that is the case, then please say so, someone.

It is said that Nancy Guthrie still drove her vehicle. I would not be surprised if she, like many seniors, did not like to drive at night. As we age, often our night vision becomes poor.
Maybe they usually picked her up, but on that particular night someone was cooking and someone was running late getting home or in the middle of a project. Maybe they told her they would be delayed picking her up. Perhaps she volunteered to take an Uber knowing one or both of them would give her a ride home.
Unfortunately, we don’t know what their regular routine was so we can keep on guessing, but we won’t know until someone tells us.

 

[Fargo]

Yes. Someone asked if sexual assault would leave DNA off body. Well it likely would. But his backpack appears to contain tarps.
One goes under the victim.

This was so preventable. For example, she was just one loved German shepherd away from safety…

An infirm 84 year old woman is not a good fit for a high energy working dog like a german shepherd.

To say this was "so preventable" comes uncomfortably close to victim blaming. IMO

 

[Angeleyes_7]

Good morning,
Did anyone watch Brian Entin’s update last night? Was there any big news? TIA

 

[Soccer Hooligan]

I was listening/watching Jennifer Coffindaffer this morning and something she said makes me wonder. It’s when the sheriff said his folks were out there Saturday night. Not Sunday - Saturday night. Could he really have misspoke like that?!!
She mentioned the dentist and wife murder recently - the police were there but went to the wrong house. Is it possible that Pima county was called to NG’s home Saturday night?? Don’t see anything and just went about their way??
Sorry I don’t how to link her video so I’ll put MOO.

 

[VeronicaVaughn]

Yes. Someone asked if sexual assault would leave DNA off body. Well it likely would. But his backpack appears to contain tarps.
One goes under the victim.

This was so preventable. For example, she was just one loved German shepherd away from safety…

What makes your say the backpack appears to contain tarps?