AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[moonglow123]

This case reminds me so much of the Idaho murders. No investigator would’ve first guessed that a random intruder would kill 4 innocent people, he didn’t know, in a matter of minutes. It defies the typical odds. I think that’s where this case is. It doesn’t make sense, because the chances of this happening are so, so statistically low with her age and lack of viable ransom. Moo

Yeah, seriously. We can talk about statistically likely things, but crazy and improbable stuff happens all the time. Any creep could've fixated on Nancy at any time, for any reason. We still don't know exactly how or why BK ended up fixating on his victims.

I just hope there's some concrete evidence somewhere along the way, or someone ends up talking for the reward. Savannah said people could call the tipline anonymously. There's no reason for someone to stay silent if they suspect who could've done this. Let's hope they're moved to report him.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Cars have awesome headlights

We are aware.
Anything else you want to educate me on?
I live it every day.

 

[cait2007]

I had a weird idea when typing up another post trying to get to "my theory".

I vaguely remember something being mentioned about NG only recently joining that online church group. Did she recently stop attending physical church? Maybe some deranged person she met there thought she abandoned them or something like that?

This was in the thread with proper media link, but it was said she tuned in online with local friends to view the service on Sunday. She started watching online around covid time. The church service they watched was the same church Savannah attends states away, so not a local church.

 

[LadyL]

This case reminds me so much of the Idaho murders. No investigator would’ve first guessed that a random intruder would kill 4 innocent people, he didn’t know, in a matter of minutes. It defies the typical odds. I think that’s where this case is. It doesn’t make sense, because the chances of this happening are so, so statistically low with her age and lack of viable ransom. Moo

lack of viable ransom? IMO they knew who her daughter was and the ransom hinges on that - one google search gave them Savannah's net worth

 

[VicBlazey]

Parking banned from tomorrow on NG's Street and surrounding areas. $250 fine for violation.

Hope this is ok to post

https://twitter.com/x/status/2026771755717534082

 

[cait2007]

Greed.
Obviously not a perfect plan either - though well-thought out and sophisticated in some ways. Sophisticated enough to have stumped law enforcement, FBI, and any private detectives the family has hired so far.

Six million dollars was too much to ask for unless someone is a billionaire (in which case they have better security for their immediate family members so it’s a moot point)
Although Savannah had six million dollars to throw at this it’s still too much to ask for without a way to contact the kidnappers, negotiate or have true proof of life.

Hypothetically, if Savannah had decided to throw six million dollars into the crypto fund and Nancy was then returned alive in a timely manner, this would have opened Pandora’s box for every crook out there to start kidnapping elderly victims.

Obviously the local police and FBI advised Savannah against paying the ransom - as they should.

I believe the ransom notes were opportunists. If the ransom actually had any proof of life then I believe they may of paid it. Savannah said they would pay, but there wasn’t any proof or instructions. Giving a bitcoin address isn’t legit. If this was truly a kidnap for ransom then proper steps would’ve been taken right away. She’s 84, so maintaining her health isn’t something you want to risk if money is your motivator. JMO

 

[SRWCF]

Parking banned from tomorrow on NG's Street and surrounding areas. $250 fine for violation.

Hope this is ok to post

https://twitter.com/x/status/2026771755717534082

Good! They should have done this from day 1.

 

[Desperate Howswif Detec]

Does anyone know if the two gem show thieves were ruled out as suspects?

 

[SRWCF]

I hope this is ok to post, but I just saw a video of 2 men at the Tucson Gem show where one of them allegedly took a Gold Specimen out of a case and the man in white pronates(walks on the outside of his right foot) as he walks in the 1st video and he bends like the perp w/backpack on porch in the second video. His facial shape and hair are similar to porch backpack perp. His accomplice is a little thinner carrying a large bag. Has this been brought to the Sheriff and FBI? I’m assuming so? Can someone confirm?

Link?

 

[cait2007]

lack of viable ransom? IMO they knew who her daughter was and the ransom hinges on that - one google search gave them Savannah's net worth

By viable I mean legitimate directions, like “the money goes here and she will be released there” or showing any proof that they actually have her alive. Anyone can give random details and a bitcoin address, that’s not enough to substantiate a ransom.

 

[Katrinepa]

I hope this is ok to ask. Is the black vehicle an LE SUV or possibly a Hearse?

ADMIN NOTE: We need a link to source for the pics or this post and responses will have to be removed and we don't want to do that.

 

[Moonchime]

Yes, Nancy and SG had done that TV segment which showed them both in and around the area around November IIRC. Nancy would have been so easily accessible and vulnerable as we have learned.

A deranged mind, local to the area, might think of terrible things from robbery, kidnapping to SA.

JMO

Last night, I lay awake trying to make sense of what might have happened to NG. My thoughts kept circling back to that TV segment filmed in Tucson, most especially the footage inside their favorite restaurant. They looked so genuinely happy around that table, just a mother and her daughters sharing a joyful time.

It's heartbreaking to imagine that their warmth and contentment might have caught the eye of someone deeply troubled. Perhaps a worker there became fixated on them, envious or resentful of the love and connection they so clearly shared. Maybe seeing their happiness triggered something dark and irrational, an unbearable sense that 'it's not fair. The contrast between that bright, loving scene and the horror that followed is hard to shake. MOO

 

[Napoli]

I believe the ransom notes were opportunists. If the ransom actually had any proof of life then I believe they may of paid it. Savannah said they would pay, but there wasn’t any proof or instructions. Giving a bitcoin address isn’t legit. If this was truly a kidnap for ransom then proper steps would’ve been taken right away. She’s 84, so maintaining her health isn’t something you want to risk if money is your motivator. JMO

Savannah said she would pay but that was after the video asking for proof of life. it was in the video, "we understand. we will pay. maybe she didn't mean pay MONEY. We will PAY in emotions and misery or guilt or fear or sorrow. We will PAY may not have meant money. JMO

Savannah Guthrie tells mother's possible kidnapper 'we will pay' in new video

“We received your message and we understand,” the “TODAY” co-anchor said in the video. “We beg you now to return our mother to us so that we can celebrate with her."

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Bluewing3102]

By viable I mean legitimate directions, like “the money goes here and she will be released there” or showing any proof that they actually have her alive. Anyone can give random details and a bitcoin address, that’s not enough to substantiate a ransom.

I know what you are saying. To be fair though there were instructions. The initial ransom said deliver this amount to this address by this deadline. The ransom according to HL of TMZ- stated upon payment NG would be returned to a location in Tucson within x hours. And they gave specific location of her apple watch. I understand proof of life was not provided, but imo that doesn't automatically mean these weren't legitimate. Criminals often deviate from original plans when they realize things aren't going their way. Also some criminals don't plan things the best. There is no class "criminal 101 how to write a ransom".

We also don't know the exact details of this letter, but the news stations who were sent it all seemed to agree on its content.

JMO

 

[TheDinks]

I hope this is ok to post, but I just saw a video of 2 men at the Tucson Gem show where one of them allegedly took a Gold Specimen out of a case and the man in white pronates(walks on the outside of his right foot) as he walks in the 1st video and he bends like the perp w/backpack on porch in the second video. His facial shape and hair are similar to porch backpack perp. His accomplice is a little thinner carrying a large bag. Has this been brought to the Sheriff and FBI? I’m assuming so? Can someone confirm?

This has been discussed on SM for a while now so am sure LE are aware of it. Just sayin'

 

[Love Never Fails]

I hope this is ok to post, but I just saw a video of 2 men at the Tucson Gem show where one of them allegedly took a Gold Specimen out of a case and the man in white pronates(walks on the outside of his right foot) as he walks in the 1st video and he bends like the perp w/backpack on porch in the second video. His facial shape and hair are similar to porch backpack perp. His accomplice is a little thinner carrying a large bag. Has this been brought to the Sheriff and FBI? I’m assuming so? Can someone confirm?

Why don’t you do that to make sure?

 

[Katrinepa]

Yeah, seriously. We can talk about statistically likely things, but crazy and improbable stuff happens all the time. Any creep could've fixated on Nancy at any time, for any reason. We still don't know exactly how or why BK ended up fixating on his victims.

I just hope there's some concrete evidence somewhere along the way, or someone ends up talking for the reward. Savannah said people could call the tipline anonymously. There's no reason for someone to stay silent if they suspect who could've done this. Let's hope they're moved to report him.

Also, In Idaho, it wasn't a random person. Brian Kohberger stalked one of the girls in that house, and was watching them for a time before the murders. I think he is an Incel, but nothing to talk about here.

 

[stmichael]

Cars have awesome headlights

Night vision problems cause blurring with lights at night. Lights don't help. It's a thing. When I once had to wear special contacts that are thicker than normal and wonky I couldn't drive at night. If you watch the night drive video in NG neighborhood that environment would be exceptionally hard for people with this light/darkness contrast night vision problem which is more common that many think.

My MIL is in her early 70s and won't drive at night due to this night vision problem. We had Sunday dinners at freakin' 2 pm and she lives in well lit Staten Island. A lot of people have problems with night driving and it factually gets statistically worse with old age as do many things. It's silly to get over-defensive about it.

Anyhoo, money talks and would be interesting to see if the $1M reward lead to a credible lead with this upcoming conference/developments.

 

[LadyL]

By viable I mean legitimate directions, like “the money goes here and she will be released there” or showing any proof that they actually have her alive. Anyone can give random details and a bitcoin address, that’s not enough to substantiate a ransom.

I agree there's been no proof of life but we don't exactly know what was in all the ransom demands. Harvey Levin stated some things on camera and said that he was not revealing other things at the request of the FBI.

 

[Covert Operative]

Does anyone know if the two gem show thieves were ruled out as suspects?

I have seen that and it was talked about at some point as maybe being connected somehow to her missing. I feel like LE would be aware and would have looked into this, but you never know. You could report it anyway to be sure. It was a pretty big story there when it happened, I think. I even thought I remember someone saying it was one of Nancy's neighbors that was having that gem show or connected to it somehow, but I could be wrong on that. I can find information on it and a pic of who you are speaking about but it's an Instagram link I found, and I am not sure that is allowed.