Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Sticksandspades]

I found a route on Google maps that would take 8 minutes (there are also shorter routes) avoiding the main road and just crossing Campbell, rather than driving on it at any point, to reach the reported area of this camera. It goes through all the side streets where it appears from Google satellite view to be pretty low house density with lots of open areas.

The route: Escalante, Zorella, Mina Vista, La Brinca (crosses Campbell here), Piedra Seca, Juan Paisano, Real (road where camera is).

This route would take 8 minutes according to Maps. 236-8=228. So the timeline fits almost perfectly.

It seems at first an odd route, until you realize that so many of these side streets end up back at Campbell, and I am operating under the assumption that the perp(s) would want to avoid that main road in this immediate vicinity.

It's one thing to be "caught" on camera on East River Rd at 240-245 along with hundreds of other cars, but you wouldn't want to be caught on Campbell right in Nancy's neighborhood at 2:30 or 2:32 or whatever, so it would stand to reason you would go out of your way to avoid the main roads until you were far enough away.

The route I suggested above also crosses Campbell in a place that looks from Google Maps to be quite empty/remote in terms of anyone seeing. No traffic light, thus no possibility of a traffic camera being there. Check out the intersection of Campbell and Camina Brinca. Nobody will see a thing. There's also basically nothing for most of this route on Piedra Seca.

Also, looking at the longer version of the video, it seems that a car only goes by this camera on Camino Real about once an hour or so. This is crucial, IMO.

Between 00:30 or so and 2:36 it's just this one car, heading south, exactly 8 minutes away from Nancy's house. Then nothing else for more than another hour.

That is, at a minimum, one heck of a coincidence.

Finally, one of the locals in the article mentions Escuela as potentially even better than Real for avoiding detection. IMO, by the time the perps were on Real (in the scenario I laid out above) judging by Google Maps the benefits of Escuela are about the same as Real. Plus Real is a straighter shot to East River Rd and being out of there.

It COULD also mean that by taking Real and not Escuela they intended to head East on East River Rd OR turned East onto additional connecting backroads someplace between Real and East River.

Where is all this in relation to AGs house, in case it’s a neighborof AG.

 

[Chainspell]

Where is all this in relation to AGs house, in case it’s a neighborof AG.

AG's house is to the west of Nancy's house, the new camera footage is on a road that is southeast of Nancy's.

 

[raja]

There was a damaged Charger on LD’s driveway. CP was driving a Rogue. LD was driving a Range Rover.

Thanks for posting this. Wasn’t it a gray charger also? We saw it when BE walked up the driveway to the house. You would think LE would be more interested in that car than the RR since it was speculated he just acquired the RR at the time it was seized. I don’t have a link to BE walking up. Does anyone know how to find it?

 

[maskedwoman]

One thing I have a hard time getting past is the apparent absence of any video of a vehicle driving to or from NG’s house that night. It’s not like we’re hearing that they exist but are too grainy, or hearing neighbors say “Yeah my camera picked up headlights moving but that’s it.” It’s just…nothing.

That community is actually pretty densely populated as far as affluent suburban developments go. The vegetation is thin sparse desert species like creosote bush, ocotillo, and cactus. To get in or out from NG’s house to a main artery, a vehicle would have to drive past a lot of houses. By now, everyone in the entire Foothills development with street-facing cameras has likely checked their footage and submitted what they had, if anything. Some people do set their cameras to 24/7 instead of just motion detection. No one picked up a vehicle’s headlights?

And we’re only looking at a timeframe of maybe two hours in the middle of the night when there wouldn’t be a lot of traffic noise from other cars on the road.

Even if the perp was somehow able to elude any cameras within the Catalina Foothills, there are the better lit arteries with businesses that surround it. The perp would have had to driven on E. Skyline, or N. Campbell, or E. River, or N. 1st for at least some amount of time. And then possibly to a freeway entrance with traffic cams.

So why hasn’t LE been able to release any stills or videos of a “vehicle of interest” taken within 2-3 miles of NG’s house with some grainy outline of a shape or a headlamp pattern a member of the public might recognize? Am I wrong in thinking they should have something, even if it has a 50% chance of being unrelated?

I agree! I don't know the area at all, but how many cars would be coming out of that residential area onto one of those streets at that hour? After the Idaho4 were killed, even in a college area, BK didn't encounter a bunch of cars on his way out of Dodge.

 

[cait2007]

I find it odd she would say that considering she doesn't have the experience of dealing with tips and the general public IMO would find it pretty difficult to reach her directly. MOO

Here is what the FBI says about submitting a tip specific to the NG case.

If you have any information concerning this case, please contact the FBI at 1-800-CALL-FBI (1-800-225-5324). You may also contact your local FBI office, the nearest American Embassy or Consulate, or you can submit a tip online at tips.fbi.gov.

Seeing this hurts my soul. I can’t imagine being in her shoes and just grasping at straws at this point. She may be doubting the competency of the investigation or fear it’s running cold. I don’t think we can judge her actions if we haven’t been in her shoes. So sad! JMO

 

[maskedwoman]

I feel that he or they had to have known she was going to be there that evening. For them to attempt this and she wasn’t home would have wrecked their chances of doing it again and being successful, NG would have increased security and safety measures as she would be aware her home had been broken into (assuming the footage is of the initial break in)
Not knowing anything about NG’s routine, it’s hard to say if she was a regular as clockwork person, so if not the case, it would leave someone who had intelligence about her activity that evening, or someone was watching her that night.
It just seems odd that they knew she was there and if she wasn’t, they had possibly blown their chances of pulling this off.
Just some thoughts, hope it makes sense
MOO

Respectfully, I don't think the odds were very high for her NOT to be there. A medically frail 84 year old is very unlikely to be out and about at 1:45am. If they cased her house at all, they would have known she would be home and likely asleep.

 

[Napoli]

It is possible the police have had pictures of the car from other people's cameras which they have not released to the public.

I want to add on to the vehicle theory. Let's pretend that's the car with Nancy in it. That car has to be well splattered with blood on the interior. Large and minute amounts. If they can ID the make and model of the car, even close and possible color, I would think a good strategy to follow is : Does your neighbor, colleague, Great Uncle Oscar drive a car like this and is suddenly driving a different car or you haven't seen that car at all around anymore? CALL US! Also, a general alert to car dealerships, detailing shops, etc. Perp might do a good cleaning and eliminate obvious blood but might still seek to dump the car or have it spruced up by one of those high end car detailing concerns. JMO

 

[SlimPickens]

I feel that LE likely already has good video of the vehicle used. Early on they went to a gas station looking for more footage.
If the suspect went through all the trouble in casing and planning, he likely thought about how to deal with any potential vehicle pointing back to him.

JMO.

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

My theory is that the perpetrator was someone NG knew and recognized. He therefore likely killed her inside the house and then removed her body as he left the scene. NG was a feisty woman who would have fought back fiercely, probably scratching her attacker and collecting his DNA under her fingernails. He couldn't risk leaving her body there with that potential evidence on her, so he took it with him to dispose of elsewhere. MOO.

Totally agree. Since NG would have recognized perpetrator, he had to be totally covered with face mask(s). She may have pulled his mask off and recognized him. Even if she didn't pull off his mask, I believe she knew the perpetrator or would have recognized him. I also think that she died at the crime scene. Because she would have fought back and tried to scratch him, he took her body because of potential evidence on her.

JMHO

 

[cait2007]

I found a route on Google maps that would take 8 minutes (there are also shorter routes) avoiding the main road and just crossing Campbell, rather than driving on it at any point, to reach the reported area of this camera. It goes through all the side streets where it appears from Google satellite view to be pretty low house density with lots of open areas.

The route: Escalante, Zorella, Mina Vista, La Brinca (crosses Campbell here), Piedra Seca, Juan Paisano, Real (road where camera is).

This route would take 8 minutes according to Maps. 236-8=228. So the timeline fits almost perfectly.

It seems at first an odd route, until you realize that so many of these side streets end up back at Campbell, and I am operating under the assumption that the perp(s) would want to avoid that main road in this immediate vicinity.

It's one thing to be "caught" on camera on East River Rd at 240-245 along with hundreds of other cars, but you wouldn't want to be caught on Campbell right in Nancy's neighborhood at 2:30 or 2:32 or whatever, so it would stand to reason you would go out of your way to avoid the main roads until you were far enough away.

The route I suggested above also crosses Campbell in a place that looks from Google Maps to be quite empty/remote in terms of anyone seeing. No traffic light, thus no possibility of a traffic camera being there. Check out the intersection of Campbell and Camina Brinca. Nobody will see a thing. There's also basically nothing for most of this route on Piedra Seca.

Also, looking at the longer version of the video, it seems that a car only goes by this camera on Camino Real about once an hour or so. This is crucial, IMO.

Between 00:30 or so and 2:36 it's just this one car, heading south, exactly 8 minutes away from Nancy's house. Then nothing else for more than another hour.

That is, at a minimum, one heck of a coincidence.

Finally, one of the locals in the article mentions Escuela as potentially even better than Real for avoiding detection. IMO, by the time the perps were on Real (in the scenario I laid out above) judging by Google Maps the benefits of Escuela are about the same as Real. Plus Real is a straighter shot to East River Rd and being out of there.

It COULD also mean that by taking Real and not Escuela they intended to head East on East River Rd OR turned East onto additional connecting backroads someplace between Real and East River.

Agreed on the critical nature of the footage, because if they find a route there may be more camera footage from other residences. Unfortunately, the more days that go by the less footage will be available. Most don’t save that long even with paid subscriptions.

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

I want to add on to the vehicle theory. Let's pretend that's the car with Nancy in it. That car has to be well splattered with blood on the interior. Large and minute amounts. If they can ID the make and model of the car, even close and possible color, I would think a good strategy to follow is : Does your neighbor, colleague, Great Uncle Oscar drive a car like this and is suddenly driving a different car or you haven't seen that car at all around anymore? CALL US! Also, a general alert to car dealerships, detailing shops, etc. Perp might do a good cleaning and eliminate obvious blood but might still seek to dump the car or have it spruced up by one of those high end car detailing concerns. JMO

Excellent point.

 

[aTexasDarling]

-An older woman would probably open the door at night for someone she knew.
-Or perhaps for a younger woman pretending to be in distress or in need of help. Maybe made to look pregnant.

I wouldn’t. I would tell her that a policeman lives two houses down and that I would call him right away to get her help. Then call 911. If they take off that says it all.

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

I found a route on Google maps that would take 8 minutes (there are also shorter routes) avoiding the main road and just crossing Campbell, rather than driving on it at any point, to reach the reported area of this camera. It goes through all the side streets where it appears from Google satellite view to be pretty low house density with lots of open areas.

The route: Escalante, Zorella, Mina Vista, La Brinca (crosses Campbell here), Piedra Seca, Juan Paisano, Real (road where camera is).

This route would take 8 minutes according to Maps. 236-8=228. So the timeline fits almost perfectly.

It seems at first an odd route, until you realize that so many of these side streets end up back at Campbell, and I am operating under the assumption that the perp(s) would want to avoid that main road in this immediate vicinity.

It's one thing to be "caught" on camera on East River Rd at 240-245 along with hundreds of other cars, but you wouldn't want to be caught on Campbell right in Nancy's neighborhood at 2:30 or 2:32 or whatever, so it would stand to reason you would go out of your way to avoid the main roads until you were far enough away.

The route I suggested above also crosses Campbell in a place that looks from Google Maps to be quite empty/remote in terms of anyone seeing. No traffic light, thus no possibility of a traffic camera being there. Check out the intersection of Campbell and Camina Brinca. Nobody will see a thing. There's also basically nothing for most of this route on Piedra Seca.

Also, looking at the longer version of the video, it seems that a car only goes by this camera on Camino Real about once an hour or so. This is crucial, IMO.

Between 00:30 or so and 2:36 it's just this one car, heading south, exactly 8 minutes away from Nancy's house. Then nothing else for more than another hour.

That is, at a minimum, one heck of a coincidence.

Finally, one of the locals in the article mentions Escuela as potentially even better than Real for avoiding detection. IMO, by the time the perps were on Real (in the scenario I laid out above) judging by Google Maps the benefits of Escuela are about the same as Real. Plus Real is a straighter shot to East River Rd and being out of there.

It COULD also mean that by taking Real and not Escuela they intended to head East on East River Rd OR turned East onto additional connecting backroads someplace between Real and East River.

This route makes a lot of sense. Thanks for taking the time to figure out the routes and the timing. JMO

 

[AZYaYa]

Going south this road would intersect with East River Rd.
Which is a major road from the looks of the map.
Please tell me they have cameras that record?
Thinking of where this vehicle can be picked up on camera again?

Local Tucsonan - arriving from Camino Real to River Road, this part of River Road would enable a person to cross River and keep going south on a smaller road without needing to pass a major intersection like Campbell/River. Other parts of River have medians, but this area does not.

 

[EyeCandy]

This article you linked in chock full of detailed info I have not read before. Thanks for the link. A must read.

Of note:

"She described him as about 5 feet, 9 inches tall, Hispanic, with a close-trimmed beard and wearing a silver bracelet. He was smoking a cigarette near the intersection of Camino Juan Paisano and Piedra Seca, which is between Camino Real and Guthrie's home."

that red suv also has what looks like those Tall Back lights that go way up the side of the trunk ...

 

[SMK777]

I wouldn’t. I would tell her that a policeman lives two houses down and that I would call him right away to get her help. Then call 911. If they take off that says it all.

Yes, the female in distress decoy is a known lure and trap used by criminals.

 

[Trish51]

I agree! I don't know the area at all, but how many cars would be coming out of that residential area onto one of those streets at that hour? After the Idaho4 were killed, even in a college area, BK didn't encounter a bunch of cars on his way out of Dodge.

Tucson has a population of over 500,000 vs Moscow of about 26,000. Plus, the gem show was in so the night life downtown and even around town was hopping. People going out and having a good time and driving home or taking an Uber home isn’t unreasonable at 2 to 2:30 at night. Plus, DoorDash deliveries too.

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

I feel that LE likely already has good video of the vehicle used. Early on they went to a gas station looking for more footage.
If the suspect went through all the trouble in casing and planning, he likely thought about how to deal with any potential vehicle pointing back to him.

JMO.

I agree. They seem to have been targeting a certain type of vehicle. JMO

 

[EyeCandy]

also it looks like that suv traveling on the road with the new video could possibly be a Cadillac Escalade or Chevy Tahoe...the later models have that big huge tail light that goes all the way up the side of the trunk

 

[AZYaYa]

Totally agree. Since NG would have recognized perpetrator, he had to be totally covered with face mask(s). She may have pulled his mask off and recognized him. Even if she didn't pull off his mask, I believe she knew the perpetrator or would have recognized him. I also think that she died at the crime scene. Because she would have fought back and tried to scratch him, he took her body because of potential evidence on her.

JMHO

Wouldn't it have been much less risky to dump her body in her pool and let time do its thing than to leave a property with a dead body?