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In their minds, the high cash amount from business owners is worth the high risk?

Does your state have felony murder on the books? Where even an accidental death during a robbery or kidnapping can result in First Degree Murder charges so possibly life in prison and DP? (AZ does.)

So how much cash is worth the risk?

I have not heard that NG had large amounts of cash or expensive valuables.
NG probably didn't, but SG has directly, but probably has and knows others who have access to.
 
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I agree.. targeted and planned. IMO if NG had died in that house, she would have been left there. Why move her at such high risk? Also NG's blood evidence on the walkway points to a person stationary and bleeding at the door and in motion to the end of the walkway.
If NG died in the home, perhaps the perps panicked and did not want to face murder charges, so removed her?
 
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NG probably didn't, but SG has directly, but probably has and knows others who have access to.
How does a home invasion at NG's home help them access SG's valuables??
 
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New Security cameras installed at Nancy Guthrie's house​


"Closing the barn door after the horse has bolted."! 😣


New security cameras were installed at Nancy Guthrie's home in the Catalina Foothills on Thursday.

This comes as the search for Nancy, the 84-year-old mother of TODAY show co-host Savannah Guthrie, is in its fourth week


Where is the CCTV from the gas station?

The footage or stills from the garage? That they took down?


Something is very odd in all this, with the sheriff and FBI not conducting any Media Conferences

What are they hiding?

Even if they have surveillance on a person/persons

They still both need to stand in a united front and explain what is happening ( without talking about police intelligence)

They need to show leadership, to reassure the community, and to engage the community to feel safe

It's the community that elects its county sheriffs.

This poor community is very nervous at the moment


The FBI has amassed as many as 10,000 hours of video in the investigation into the disappearance and possible abduction of Nancy Guthrie, an FBI official said Thursday.

Tools can be used to enhance the videos, but each one must be watched in real time, the FBI official said, noting that slowing them down or enhancing them takes more time.



 
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Here's a wild theory. What if he knows what happened or knows something about what happened and is trying to work up the courage to tell someone. Maybe he's afraid whoever did it will turn on him if he tells, so he decides to do something uber-weird to get the officers' attention. Too afraid to call it in (language barrier).

JMO/MOO/Weird theory alert, etc.
Only goes to show you that "they walk among us". "Mental health professionals" prescribe a handful of pills the mechanism of which even they don't fully understand and 45 minutes of talk therapy and turn them back out there to return the following week. Wash, rinse, repeat. OR they don't see a doctor and self medicate with pot, booze or whatever their drug of choice is. A stalker/predator/ kidnapper on the loose somewhere in Arizona? You betcha! JMO
 
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I agree with everything you wrote and I've thought about how quickly the hoax was identified. It's already winding its way through the courts. Doesn't follow then they should be incapable of doing the same with other hoaxes.

I do believe this was a kidnapping with an intent to collect ransom but I get lost on how that all broke down. From my perspective, it seems like they did not try to really collect and the other side never seemed to try to pay. Clearly, there's stuff I don't know but I'm hung up on the ransom.

All signs point kidnapping/ransom but then it seems an abandoned plan.

MOO
AH YES! But who abandoned it? Someone decided it was a hoax. I never thought it was. In the public's fervor to slam LE they created an incompetence narrative, bla bla, The media perpetuated the not connected scenario. If it wasnt connected, the media had no problem airing it's existence and salivating over every word that they were privy too. Those Instagram Videos by SG were specific coded language that they were using in response to the ransom notes. No one paid the ransom because some guy in a think tank said statistically there has to be a proof of life to seal the demand for $. This is 2026. This isnt some old James Cagney movie. JMO
 
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Yes, he did, and thats the hole in my theory of Nancys car being used. I suppose there is a minute chance that we havent been given any other details, but I think that if Nancys car was used, more would have been made of it. I'm still considering someone who lives close though.

I've been looking for the pictures or videos of the blood trail down the path. I'm curious as to where it ends. Does anyone have a link/knowledge of this?

It ends where the walkway stops at the driveway, the same place the dogs abruptly lost Nancy’s scent.
 
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BBM I absolutely agree. Reading in People that it is rumored that SG will be returning to work soon is what I predicted the last couple of days . This could actually lure him out. He may become obvious. His grab to be noticed by and total domination of SG has failed. What next? His 4 weeks of terror and publicity has ended. This is when his obsession with SG will be seen by others in his circle. He has no where else to go with his quest to capture SG's attention. If my stalker exists, he will only then start making mistakes. He is smart and mindful and twisted. He is frustrated now. All this plotting and planning and his desires are still not satisfied. IF SG does return to work soon, he will surface again in an unmistakable way. Le might be laying a trap if they suspect this is a stalker. In or near the house? At SG's job? Within her social media posts? He's going to slip up when she returns to work. This isnt over for him. It will just take on a new form and he WILL get caught. JMO
Would be a good ending, but AZ has a death penalty. I think he'll remain quiet, go on with his life as normal.
 
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Was NG punched in the face?
My guess is in the jostling to get her to be compliant and out of the house, she got an elbow to the nose by the perp. So, something along those lines..jmo
 
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And people here saying mechanics use mouth lights. If Nancy had damage to front of her car could she maybe have gone to that place for advice on repairs and someone saw an opportunity, a confused elderly lady? I hope he updates us on blue car guy soon.
People keep confusing ‘elderly’ and ‘senile.’ There’s no reason to think she would appear incompetent at a car repair shop. She had a lot of independent life experience dealing with all sorts of things.

Also, the dealership guy does repairs at least on cars they sell, as well as selling the cars. He owns several businesses. And I believe they all have 1-point-something out of 5 in reviews, on average.
 
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Gimme a sec. It was reported like day 3 whenever the house was "un-released" the first time.

ETA: Here ya go...
Thank you. I think what I am looking for is the video that actually shows the trail. Was it one of BEs videoas?
 
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I agree with everything you wrote and I've thought about how quickly the hoax was identified. It's already winding its way through the courts. Doesn't follow then they should be incapable of doing the same with other hoaxes.

I do believe this was a kidnapping with an intent to collect ransom but I get lost on how that all broke down. From my perspective, it seems like they did not try to really collect and the other side never seemed to try to pay. Clearly, there's stuff I don't know but I'm hung up on the ransom.

All signs point kidnapping/ransom but then it seems an abandoned plan.

MOO
The hoax was identified quickly because of how he communicated the ransom. They were able to trace the phone. That doesn’t make the other communications real, just harder to trace, imho.

 
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What is wrong with people? Gambling on this is totally sick. I get annoyed when a website splits up a 2 minute story related to Nancy with 3 long commercials. I think that is tacky as well.
The normal Adam like traits.
 
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Well this is just good, but crazy news...why hasn't it been followed up? A neighbors Ring camera picked up 12 cars during the time of Nancy's abduction.

MSN

<snipped>

TUCSON, ARIZONA: New surveillance footage is shedding light on the hours before 84-year-old Nancy Guthrie vanished from her Tucson home. A street-facing Ring camera captured 12 vehicles traveling along a back road in the Catalina Foothills neighborhood between midnight and 6 am on February 1, 2026.

One of the clips, recorded at 2:36 am, came just minutes after Guthrie’s pacemaker last synced with her iPhone at 2:30 am, marking one of the final known timestamps tied to her disappearance. The homeowners who recorded the footage said law enforcement has not followed up.
 
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It ends where the walkway stops at the driveway, the same place the dogs abruptly lost Nancy’s scent.
so was she carried from the top of that walkway(there are a couple of steps down) and into a vehicle?
 
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LE cant go door to door. People work. LE comes to my door. I'm at work. Wasted trip through the neighborhood for LE. Go door to door at night? Perhaps??? General request through local media, Please check your doorbell cameras etc. Most coverage possible with little effort. Homes on NG's street, sure. Do you have to allow them access to my camera? I dunno. As far as being confronted door to door vs general pleas for footage, I would say this. Stop waiting for an invitation. If you have something , say something.

Considering the way online sleuths, pod casters etc have defamed people who "might" be tangentially connected to NG, would YOU want to even enter this arena? We can all say we would do the right thing BUT what's the right thing for you and yours? JMO
I disagree. Police regularly canvas after a crime. And they keep records of who was home and who was not. They go back at different times until they have talked to everyone. It ain't glamorous, but they do it. Some are just dying to be asked. Others are more timid and worry about wasting LE's time. The timid folks might never come forward voluntarily. Of course, there is a limit as to how far out can they reasonably canvas from the scene of the crime. Would be interesting to know who set the perimeter they used.
 
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So do they belive the very first two ransom notes where real?
Did they pay the first ransoms?
Was there any talking to the perps?
There appears to be very little info on these now?
 
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People Magazine:

"Nancy’s home was not returned to the family today. Sheriff Nanos released it to the Guthrie family and announced it two days after Nancy’s disappearance. It was never out of the family’s possession: The Sheriff’s Department"

I am becoming fascinated about the Sheriff's Dept pattern of making "clarifications" that really don't clarify anything. Like the screaming woman is just "not related". Well, how do they know? In my area, the police will offer a short explanation with no specifics, like unrelated domestic situation, or something like that. This correction, in particular, seems to make no difference at all to much of anything. So why bother?
 
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