Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Warshawski]

How can the AG car still be part of the investigation if the owner (s) of the car are not ? Can someone explain that.

I wonder if someone other than AG & husband regularly drive that car

 

[Kemug]

Well at least in Australia our kidnapped grandpa has been found, not alive of course.The two rich ÿoung idiots tortured him before killing him.I ðon't see them being free for a long long time.

Please remember you can't discuss blurred posts

 

[Cassie P]

Unfortunately, I'm not sure we have the evidence required to determine the manner or egress one way or the other. We don't know where the blood inside the house is. We don't know if there is blood on the mat or the threshold. We don't even know whether the screen door and front door were opened, locked when found, or have blood on them. Until we know more, I think it's probably a reasonable assumption to think the suspect and Nancy went out the front door.

Are you thinking differently? You know I'm open to it!

I agree, we are just speculating based on minimal data right now.

We know there is blood on the front porch. Perhaps we do not know for sure if it is NG's blood, but she is the victim of a serious crime and it is most likely hers?

So we know she was on the front porch and we surmise it is how she was taken out of the house. All seems logical and data based.

But then someone here is doing a detailed analysis of the blood and suggests there are two separate trails. And it is coming from the pavement not the front door. It at least merits re-thinking the theory we have had.

Other people have said it makes no sense to have taken NG out the front door, why not the back one, more secluded, and closer to the bedroom? This suggests perhaps she was lured to the front door somehow?

I am not tied to anyone theory at this point, but even if I was, it can all be chucked out if new data comes it.

 

[Cassie P]

LE can tell the public pretty much anything they want to, as well as clear someone and then turn around and arrest them during the course of an investigation. I could list the tactics and reasons for it but it would be a very long list.

Wouldn't this be risky if the case goes to trial? The defense attorney can make some good points to the jury that LE is all over the map, doesn't know what they are doing, and in fact proclaimed the perp's innocence on more than one occasion.

 

[Cassie P]

Who kidnaps an 84-year-old? The logistics alone are cumbersome unless they planned to knock her out and carry her. You need more people for transport. Greater visibility unless she was incapacitated and hidden in a vehicle in the garage and then moved—but wouldn’t there be footage of that?

Maybe they thought an older person would be easier to capture and control?

 

[SMK777]

Maybe they thought an older person would be easier to capture and control?

It actually points to kidnapping for ransom. NG was a unique opportunity to shake down a famous and wealthy person for ransom money (her daughter, Savannah).

 

[Napoli]

I feel like the biggest errors have been:

1) telling the world that Nancy needed medications to live more than 24 hours
2) telling the world that Nancy had a synced pacemaker
3) not taking the ransom demand seriously

I truly believe that if this was a kidnapping and ransom demand - and it appears the FBI thinks that is what it was - that publicly broadcasting the first two made Nancy more of an escalating liability than a negotiable asset, and not taking the ransom demand seriously costed them valuable time in securing her return.

JMO.

I am 100% with you especially not taking the ransom notes seriously. The talking heads etc were the ones that REALLY made it worse by saying that statistically it's rare for kidnaping with ransom..bla bla. and the ransom notes were a hoax and the public latched on to that. Were they purposely trying to gaslight us and why? Those very oddly worded responses by SG sure sounded like they were being taken seriously by SG et al. Statistics are not going to solve this case. HL seemed like he believed them too. I also thought that flying around the drones/helicopters to pick up the signals from pacemaker was too little and too late. Pacemaker had to be in range. IMO altitude too high MOO

 

[Napoli]

As I said in a post earlier today....

Action > Words.

What people do is more important (usually) than what they say.

Along those same lines..I pay attention to what isn't said! For example, same ole same ole, it isn't this, it isnt that..but no real insight for what they really think. What theory are they not eliminating? jmo

 

[VeronicaVaughn]

I've seen a few people speculate about back/hip/leg issues. I do feel like that could track with the theory that he was a local workman of some kind - someone who's spent many years doing manual labour that his body is feeling the strain of now

What about the possibility of a younger man who has been consistently lifting weights at the gym and maybe strained himself?

Just an idea I've been tossing around and MOO.

 

[Napoli]

I do not put much weight on blood splatter analysis. It feels a little wonky to me as a way to determine how a blow was administered to a victim for example, and IMO is wayyyy over stated as a "science". JMO

Bloodstain Pattern Analysis (BPA) is increasingly considered a subjective "junk science" rather than a rigorous forensic discipline, with studies revealing error rates over 11% and high levels of inconsistency among analysts. Often relying on subjective interpretation rather than validated scientific principles, BPA has been implicated in wrongful convictions. Study Reports Error Rates for Bloodstain Pattern Analysis

 

[No it's not]

Interestingly, if the ransom letters were either a hoax or an after-thought and if the remnants of the surveillance video had not been available, what would we really have? A missing person case only?

If NG had to be eliminated (?) why not just have her drown in the pool and therefore leave the body? The sheriff said in one of the pressers, that the inside of the house was basically untouched, looked “pristine”. He never confirmed forced entry.

Why was she removed from the house then?

Is the blood on the floor (inside? And outside) the clue? Did she accidentally run into the intruder while possibly going to the bathroom or kitchen area? Or did the intruder injure her when she possibly tried to run (as best as she could) out of the house?

With the blood on the floor we do not just have a missing person case IMO. The blood changed the whole dynamic and the intruder’s intentions IMO.

The million dollar question is, what were the intentions? Hopefully we will get a 1 million dollar answer soon.

ALL IMOO

Cheers,
Nin

 

[No it's not]

DBM

 

[maskedwoman]

I am 100% with you especially not taking the ransom notes seriously. The talking heads etc were the ones that REALLY made it worse by saying that statistically it's rare for kidnaping with ransom..bla bla. and the ransom notes were a hoax and the public latched on to that. Were they purposely trying to gaslight us and why? Those very oddly worded responses by SG sure sounded like they were being taken seriously by SG et al. Statistics are not going to solve this case. HL seemed like he believed them too. I also thought that flying around the drones/helicopters to pick up the signals from pacemaker was too little and too late. Pacemaker had to be in range. IMO altitude too high MOO

I am very careful which talking heads I listen to these days. There are some that obviously know their stuff and I'm happy to hear from them. Unfortunately, a case this big, with so many media trying to fill seats with talking heads, I find that some of them are talking from somewhere other than their head.

Either way, I do believe FBI was assisting in preparing the siblings' response videos. SG is an excellent communicator, but the videos were so carefully worded and nuanced that I really feel like a profiler helped prepare the script. MOOooo

 

[su5ie]

I had thought about the Sunday thing recently, though the days would be Saturday night into Sunday morning, no? I wonder if NG and family regularly had dinner together on a Saturday evening

Nancy had dinner at her daughters on Friday, was it not ?

 

[Cassie P]

It actually points to kidnapping for ransom. NG was a unique opportunity to shake down a famous and wealthy person for ransom money (her daughter, Savannah).

Yes it is difficult to dismiss perhaps the most significant fact in the data set. Victim is the mother of a wealthy celebrity.

Coincidences often take a lot of planning.

 

[FaviousM]

Nancy had dinner at her daughters on Friday, was it not ?

No, she was dropped off back home on Saturday night (the 31st) after dinner and reported missing around noon on the Sunday (the 1st)

 

[Rick7788]

I know he was written off early on as just an 'imposter', but my mind keeps going back to Derrick Callella. The guy that was arrested in LA area for writing the 'imposter' ransom note. Derrick Callella

--He both texted and called AG/TC. That is a fact. See link. How did he get their numbers?
--I know the FBI minimized this guy as just an imposter--but maybe they had to and there is more than meets the eye?
--JMO--but I would not be shocked if we hear this guys name again down the road when the pieces of the puzzle are all put together.

 

[su5ie]

No, she was dropped off back home on Saturday night (the 31st) after dinner and reported missing around noon on the Sunday (the 1st)

Thank you ,I'm getting mixed up now because thread is so long don't know why I thought Friday

Feeling grateful now fraize has broken the thread down into individual hypothesis/information chapters

 

[SMK777]

What about the possibility of a younger man who has been consistently lifting weights at the gym and maybe strained himself?

Just an idea I've been tossing around and MOO.

Possible explanation!

 

[danablue1]

Just some random thoughts
1- Not a burglary or home invasion. if robbery was your goal much less risky when no one is home and she was gone for 4 hours prior.so why not do it then.
2- So that leaves murder or kidnapping so if it was murder why take her out of the house.
3- So i am lead to believe botched up kidnapping no proof of life = no ransom. Get rid of body in desert.