It looks hard to do, unless really strong! I suppose firemen do this all the time! Probably, even a requirement of the job, for some of the larger men.
Thanks for info and update. Ok, understood, preferred methods change over time.
By February 2, Sheriff Panos had stated that home was a crime scene and that homicide detectives had been called in.
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I don’t know but wonder: would a soldier in combat carry injured soldiers to safety that way too? Also, LE have not confirmed forced entry but it occurs to me that soldiers working urban battlefields might have some experience (possibly even tools for) forcing entry.
I don't think someone needs to be really strong. I'm a woman with no particular body strenght, i cannot normally lift a bag of cement of 25kg in my arms, however on my schoulders i can easily carry it around somehow. Leverage i guess
Ok, so when IS the fireman's carry still used?
One of the biggest reasons to NOT go out the front door is that there is a bigger chance of being seen by neighbors, security cameras act.
great postSomething I wondered based on LE requests date for camera footage and the ransoms is if the perp possibly has a preference for Sunday and Monday and why?
For example, LE asked for neighbors to share any home security camera footage that took place on January 11th, NG was abducted in the early hours of February 1st and demanding the ransom before 5 on February 9th was one of the deadlines given for the ransom. I wonder if there is something about Sunday, in particular, and maybe Saturday nights or evenings that makes the more perp more available or accessible in the committing of this crime as compared to other days of the week. For example, does he work a job that requires to travel and reside in another city but he is regularly able to return to or spend Sunday back in Tucson? Does he work outside the city limits, like in a mountainous or desert area and usually spends all day there or camp there on work days or non-Sundays and Mondays? Does he have a kid or family and maintains a stricter schedule or pattern he doesn’t want to deviate, and thus draw attention from? Does he work on Saturdays? If hypothetically his ransom note implied he was going to return NG on Thursday or Monday after receiving what, if anything, could LE maybe infer about the regular patterns, work schedules or responsibilities of his everyday life or type of field he might work in?
If perp does face to travel out of the area or Tucson a lot of go back and forth due to work and such isn’t possible then are taking NG with them while also concealing her? For example, by unfortunately forcing her into the trunk of a vehicle, similar to other kidnapping or abduction victims.
I also wondered if it would be helpful or even useful if LE scoped or asked the local drug and pharmacy stores, like CVS and such, if anyone had come by on the 1st or first few days afterwards buying first aid supplies, ice or heating pads and pain medication and such considering that NG did appear to be bleeding a lot and perhaps the perps did not have enough or maybe any supplies to assess and address the injury and treat with any pain she may be experiencing? Perhaps camera, digital or payment information or data could be yielded if anything turns up useful or intriguing to investigators. Just a thought
Just thinking about loud/speculating
A deadline passes as FBI and Nancy Guthrie’s family say there has been no follow-up to ransom note
The FBI said there has been no follow-up communication connected to a ransom letter linked to the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie.www.wdbj7.com
Nancy Guthrie update: Family acknowledges deadline, ransom demand
Isn’t the slow walk also due to the fact that it is dark on the porch?
Very good insight. Everyone should check it out.
Earlier in the thread we said there were some golfer moves by Lantana Man. Do you see any of that?
By February 2, Sheriff Panos had stated that home was a crime scene and that homicide detectives had been called in.
He has not confirmed the place of entry. Do they know? I believe they do know. They have to hold some things back to weed out false confessors.'TODAY' Anchor Savannah Guthrie’s Mom Missing
Authorities in Arizona are searching for Nancy Guthrie, the mother of 'TODAY' anchor Savannah Guthrie, who was reported missing under what authorities are calling concerning circumstances.
They have said that nothing appeared to be stolen and the house was not ransacked. What made it a crime scene as opposed to an elderly person who had wandered from home? Probably the blood inside, probably in or around her bed. Sheriff Panos made a statement insinuating she was taken from her bed, but later walked that back saying they know she went to bed. This may be another fact that the FBI did not want released. This tells us though, that her bed looked as if it had been slept in. What else? Was there bedding missing or bloodstained? Was there a trail of blood from the bedroom?
Were there drag marks?
We know virtually nothing about the inside of the home except unidentified DNA was found inside.
None of us know the intent of this crime. We have all floated our own theories or rehashed analysis provided by talking heads and self proclaimed experts.
I think it was a preplanned abduction on a vulnerable senior who lived in a million dollar home. Did they know she was the mother of a celebrity? Did they ever dream this crime would receive the public attention that it has? Did they think the Bitcoin ransom was infallible/untraceable but realized it wasn’t and feared capture?
Good points. But, you have to consider how difficult it is to carry an unconscious or deceased person. If you were trying to rescue someone in this condition, you might try to scoop them up to carry them out of danger, but I think if you were trying to get someone out quickly you would almost instinctively throw them over your shoulder whether you are a trained responder or not.
One thing I’d like to know is whether egress from the rear of the house to the street was possible without scaling the fence. In other words, could Nancy have walked or been carried out that route, or was the yard gate somehow impassable?
