Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[SlimPickens]

Something I wrote about in my last post about local elected officials not seizing on the opportunity to give themselves national exposure when a case like this comes along (as they typically do) got me thinking that Federal officials tend to do this as well. And they did in the (early) beginning (POTUS, Senator Kelly, Kash Patel, etc). POTUS even dismissed the idea of Feds assisting with a "search" for her and corrected that with the statement that a "solution" was in the works, which alluded to the notion that he had specific knowledge of what had occurred and who did it. No matter what one thinks about him or his politics, that isn't something even a loose and chatty President would say if he didn't have some indication of what had occurred and by whom.

The only reasons I can think that this kind of typical self-aggrandizing has abruptly stopped is because the potential for looking bad outweighs the potential for looking good, there is a component involved that could relate to and/or compromise national security, or both.

And what kinds of folks commit acts like this that could possibly do both of those things? A foreign element, and not Mexico.

JMO.

 

[warp3dwing]

Likely with an accomplice?

Oh, I have no idea. I do think he or they were on scene for quite a while doing something before entering the home. Maybe the guy we see in video isn’t even the guy who went inside.

If LE had any indication that more than one suspect had been inside (two sets of shoe prints, etc.), I’m not sure they’d tell us, would they?

I’m not totally sold on it being a team situation, because if it was, their desires would have to align. Most likely, that desire would be money. But despite all the careful planning, they somehow totally botched the kidnapping itself. That’s like, you know, a really important part?

If it was a single guy, the reasons for doing it could be anything from money to a dog told him to do it. It’d be rare to get backup for a reason like revenge, rape, or some psychotic delusion. IMO

 

[SMK777]

Oh, I have no idea. I do think he or they were on scene for quite a while doing something before entering the home. Maybe the guy we see in video isn’t even the guy who went inside.

If LE had any indication that more than one suspect had been inside (two sets of shoe prints, etc.), I’m not sure they’d tell us, would they?

I’m not totally sold on it being a team situation, because if it was, their desires would have to align. Most likely, that desire would be money. But despite all the careful planning, they somehow totally botched the kidnapping itself. That’s like, you know, a really important part?

If it was a single guy, the reasons for doing it could be anything from money to a dog told him to do it. It’d be rare to get backup for a reason like revenge, rape, or some psychotic delusion. IMO

I think LE has come to think there was two.

 

[joe jones]

But don't you think a random creeper trying his luck would have left more evidence, like a footprint in the dirt, etc.

no, why would a random creeper leave evidence but a kidnapper not, considering how many people have walked on NG property I don't see footprints left behind, maybe the soil isn't conducive for prints to be left in it,

 

[MrsEmmaPeel]

Were we crazy to think this would be solved quickly? Google says a half of murders go unsolved, and those that are solved and go to trial take an average of two years. I repeat, the hardest murders to solve are those which involve a stranger murderer. Or so I’ve always heard. — That said I hope LE has more than they are saying and are now looking for tangible confirmation. DNA, video, witness testimony.

 

[warp3dwing]

Something I wrote about in my last post about local elected officials not seizing on the opportunity to give themselves national exposure when a case like this comes along (as they typically do) got me thinking that Federal officials tend to do this as well. And they did in the (early) beginning (POTUS, Senator Kelly, Kash Patel, etc). POTUS even dismissed the idea of Feds assisting with a "search" for her and corrected that with the statement that a "solution" was in the works, which alluded to the notion that he had specific knowledge of what had occurred and who did it. No matter what one thinks about him or his politics, that isn't something even a loose and chatty President would say if he didn't have some indication of what had occurred and by whom.

The only reasons I can think that this kind of typical self-aggrandizing has abruptly stopped is because the potential for looking bad outweighs the potential for looking good, there is a component involved that could relate to and/or compromise national security, or both.

And what kinds of folks commit acts like this that could possibly do both of those things? A foreign element, and not Mexico.

JMO.

Wouldn’t Trump jump at the opportunity to point the finger at the other, which is his modus operandi?

I think he was briefed that they had solid leads, and those leads may have fizzled out. He doesn’t mention it now because it makes the FBI - “his” FBI - look weak and disorganized. That’s my guess, anyway.

Had they caught someone quickly, I’m sure he’d gladly take as much credit as he could get away with, as many presidents are wont to do.

 

[warp3dwing]

I think LE has come to think there was two.

Interesting. What have they said that gives you the sense they’re leaning in that direction? I know a lot of retired detectives and ex-FBI talking heads have suggested it.

 

[FaviousM]

So if it was a single perp, I wonder if the sequence of events went something like this:

• Perp parks vehicle somewhere in the neighbourhood
• Perp walks to NG's house, gets there somewhere around 1:40am and scouts the place out until we see him at the front door at approx 1:47am
• Perp disables the camera
• Perp retrieves his vehicle and parks it out on the street, waits for a little bit to make sure there are no lights on etc as a result of him disabling the camera
• Perp enters the house by unknown means sometime around 2:12am when a camera detects a person
• Perp subdues NG by some means - threat with gun, ligatures etc
• Perp looks around the premises for whatever he was there for IF he wasn't solely there for NG
• Perp finally pulls vehicle up in front of the door
• Perp then leads NG out front door to vehicle
• Perp drives away with NG somewhere around 2:28am when NG's pacemaker disconnects

I think he would have parked elsewhere first for a few reasons:

• We don't see the car out front in the camera footage but the blood trail suggests it was parked in a spot the camera would have seen it when NG was removed from the house
• Even with its lights off, a car pulling into that gravel driveway in the middle of the night would potentially be loud enough to wake the occupant of the house
• The gap between 1:47am and 2:12am seems a bit too long to be skulking around outside the house IMO

Obviously, with multiple perps this sequence of events becomes much simpler and I'm basing this on the assumption the removal of NG was planned from the get-go

Thoughts? Was the vehicle already in the driveway off to the side at 1:47am?

 

[Napoli]

Bbm, I respect your opinion, but just wanted to correct the bolded part. Sex is an act between consenting adults, the correct term here is rape.

Absolutely. I should have said sexually assaulted/raped her.. TY jmo

 

[warp3dwing]

I think, for me, that is the main problem with this case!

I've always been unsure how professional and top-level these perps are. I wax and wane on it.

Did they choose the owner and home carefully, for kidnap and ransom, not exposing DNA, ....or did they brake into a random wealthy home to rob it, it went wrong, and they somehow got lucky on all counts.

But who gets lucky on all counts.....no fingerprints, no DNA, no footprints, no decent CCTV footage, no witnesses, no vehicles sighted, no body found.

That's beyond lucky, and that's what makes me think they are professional.

MOO.

I agree. Luck usually only gets you so far. But seemingly robust investigative techniques - CCTV footage, Walmart records, phone pings, etc. - have not brought a swift conclusion.

I often think back to Luigi Mangioni, and how his bicycle and multi-train escape from heavily surveilled NYC seemed like something only a trained pro could get away with. But he got caught eating hash browns in McDonald’s not too much later. The genius plan only went so far.

Only time will tell if we see something similar here.

 

[SlimPickens]

Wouldn’t Trump jump at the opportunity to point the finger at the other, which is his modus operandi?

I think he was briefed that they had solid leads, and those leads may have fizzled out. He doesn’t mention it now because it makes the FBI - “his” FBI - look weak and disorganized. That’s my guess, anyway.

Had they caught someone quickly, I’m sure he’d gladly take as much credit as he could get away with, as many presidents are wont to do.

Possible, and the caveat with what I posted is that his solution may have been that he knew that Google was working on those camera files, but that isn't really a solution.

The issue with this being some random local bumbling fool of a criminal committing a botched burglary, or even a botched kidnapping/ransom, is that neither scenario could really be deemed botched at all considering that there is no clearly identifiable information that has led to an arrest, and in the ransom scenario there is no digital identification of either the perpetrator or even someone else trying to capitalize on the crime. I happen to think that they are one and the same, because the criminal act itself was also performed with a level of sophistication as to not leave much of a trace, if any at all. "There are no coincidences", and all of that.

JMO.

 

[SMK777]

Interesting. What have they said that gives you the sense they’re leaning in that direction? I know a lot of retired detectives and ex-FBI talking heads have suggested it.

I guess it was actually Sheriff Nanos who suggested it. To my thinking, it makes the most logical sense:

Accomplice not ruled out in Nancy Guthrie disappearance as reward climbs to $200K: reports

Is there more than one suspect involved in the mysterious disappearance of 84-year-old Nancy Guthrie?

thenationaldesk.com

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Brad told News Nation that "fortunately for the Guthries," Nancy has only been missing for 28 days, a short period of time compared to Amy's nearly 28-year disappearance. "There's still a good chance that [Nancy] can be found," he added, sharing that he hopes "she's still with us." It comes after a criminal attorney revealed the 6 huge red flags in Nancy's case that "don't add up."

Amy Bradley's brother sends powerful message to Nancy Guthrie's family

The brother of Amy Bradley, who has been missing for almost 28 years, has weighed in on the disappearance of Savannah Guthrie's 84-year-old mom, Nancy Guthrie

www.themirror.com

 

[Napoli]

Right, every time I reflect on:
* how famous and wealthy Savannah is,
* the technology and surveillance we have in 2026,
*the footage caught of the masked man,
* the involvement of the President and the senator SG consulted;
*add to that the FBI and 400 assigned agents
*and enormous media coverage and massive social media involvement ---

How is this suspect/s not caught after nearly a month of the above? I certainly would be terrified of discovery if I had to commit a crime with all of that working against me

LE is either working on the wrong theory or really doesn't have much in the way of evidence to pursue. Likely, a combination of both. JMO

 

[Katrinepa]

Profiling Evil, on YouTube.
Very interesting take, and a must see, as a different perspective from retired LA, CA detectives, one being a professor now. Very interesting take! MOO

 

[SlimPickens]

A 1.1 million dollar reward for a week or so now and still no arrest. Most would sell out their first born for that kind of cash. Only someone who doesn't need it and/or isn't interested in it would balk at such a life changing amount of cash. A small time criminal would probably even convince his own family to turn him in for that kind of windfall.

But nothing. Headshaking nothingness.

JMO.

 

[Katrinepa]

LE is either working on the wrong theory or really doesn't have much in the way of evidence to pursue. Likely, a combination of both. JMO

I am hoping that they have much more than they have allowed the public to know, so trusting that. The public does not have a 'right' to know any details about a case being investigated, and frankly, any public info could hinder an arrest, and/or a conviction. The fact that the local LE did not treat the property as a criminal scene and block it off is already a problem for any prosecution. Ugh. MOO

 

[Katrinepa]

Here's a thought about the blood drops. What if there were (at least) two kidnappers. (I have no idea as to motive here.) One is in the house and the other is in a vehicle that is parked nearby. The one in the house has incapacitated NG by punching her in the face, so that she has a nosebleed. He puts her over his shoulder and then exits the front door because he knows his nearby accomplice will drive up the semicircular driveway in the front.

In that scenario, the blood might've pooled because he turned to shut the door (to postpone discovery that something had happened). Or he could've paused with her over his shoulder in the relatively hidden entryway while waiting for his accomplice to drive up.

JMO

Very doubtful that it was just one person. The guy at the door seems unsure, unworried, but also clumsy. I think it's possible that there is someone who came up with idea, maybe hired others to carry out the crime(s) here. MOO

 

[Arkay]

what if he had no idea who lived there, I have seen too many terrifying creeper videos from that area, lots of men seem to be wandering around in the middle of the night, trespassing onto property, trying doors, looking for stuff to steal, NG house was ideal for a creeper burglar, set back from the road, not overlooked, plenty of trees, foliage and bushes to hide in, and her house does look wealthy, its huge, so the burglary/assault/murder theory has always fit better than the taking of an 84 year old woman in poor health, having to keep her well and alive for however long ransom negotiations went on for, plus it would help if you actually worked out how to ransom her before taking her,

IMO though, if the kidnapper had no idea who NG was, he wouldn’t have sent the alleged ransom note to TMZ or to Savannah.

 

[submarine7]

Profiling Evil, on YouTube.
Very interesting take, and a must see, as a different perspective from retired LA, CA detectives, one being a professor now. Very interesting take! MOO

Interesting what he says about the RR guy's hand.