Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Napoli]

It wouldn't be a wifi jammer but their are ways and devices for getting codes. Also, they may just try to brute force their way by guessing code. Depending on how old it is, code buttons can show more wear so they can also try to figure it out. She should change the code to be safe.

She never had the code. It has been disabled, dont ask me how, lol. maybe with a lanatana stem? lol! I was just trying to understand this as it relates to the NG case and jamming. Thank you very much!

 

[LRinCA]

BBM I understand what you are saying to a POINT. That being said..where I live and then historically in the Jon Benet Ramsey case for context.. The citizens are put on alert. The news, is the news..and then there's a warning..IF they have a theory. in JBN they said there was no need for public concern, for example. THERE WAS NO PUBLIC WARNING! No "be vigilant".. for example. What they are NOT saying, to me, screams, This is not a random invasion. They KNOW this was targeted to one specific person. Lots of people have million+ dollar homes and have even wealthier parents/children etc.

People in lower socio economic circumstances are also robbed daily. Wealthy SG doesnt equal wealthy NG... and I feel it is presumptuous that because SG has assets and fame she would be a likely target through her mother. NG was a target..SG was the goal...Money was not the motivator. JMO

I agree with all three points at the end of your post (respectfully bolded by me); however I have a few twists in that I think the person who was obsessed with SG was not present at the house. I also think the person who was there on the ground and carried out this heinous crime may have been compensated enough to never be tempted by the reward money. Just imo/moo/speculative thoughts from someone with an overactive imagination who watches a lot of old noir movies/streaming series, etc.

 

[submarine7]

I agree! Do you know what footage he was referring to right then?

No, I didn't see it. I've only seen one photo when he was being detained.

 

[Rick7788]

New Brian Entin video-

BE is excellent as usual.
Agree with the guest he had on--ex FBI/CIA agent.
She didn't think it was a burglary gone wrong and also didn't feel the ransom notes were connected to the abduction.
She seems to believe the motive is revenge or some sort or a stalker.
She believes case will be solved.

Thought BE had an interesting tidbit during the Q&A segment at the 27:00 minute mark.
He revealed that AG and TC had "new security cameras" installed on their house.

Which leads me to ponder that I don't think there has been any mention during this entire case of them having security cameras and LE checking them to both verify timelines and sightings of NG coming and going on 1/31/26. That always struck me as odd.
I'm going to assume they had none at all???

 

[Bluewing3102]

Interesting what he says about the RR guy's hand.

What does he say about his hand? I'm not watching an hour long video

 

[Lebowski]

BBM

Robbery is a business crime. Robbers with a business plan consisting of "rich people live here" and "old people are easy targets" seem opportunistic, with no well thought out plan, little thought given to consequences, impulsive. They want to pick up some quick cash, valuables, etc. Perhaps not very bright, or young, or drug involved?

I think this is a reasonable theory to put on the list. These kind of robbers may have panicked if NG woke up, fought them, died suddenly. They took off with the body to avoid murder charges.

Perhaps this kind of criminal discovered during the robbery that NG had a wealthy celebrity daughter and thought they could make a big pay day with a kidnapping. Again, not well thought out. It did not work out the way they hoped.

so...

burglary, turned opportunistic ransom kidnapping when they realized she had a famous daughter, and then aborted or messed up the last part.

or

burglary, with unintended murder, turned opportunistic fake kidnapping (just removal of body) and then botched or chickened out on the ransom demands.

both interesting possibilities

 

[submarine7]

What does he say about his hand? I'm not watching an hour long video

His hand looked swollen or injured when he was detained and prior to being handcuffed.

 

[Scooby-Doo]

Some interesting points at Nancy's house. There are 6 points of entry to the inside

Front door, garage, 2 balcony back doors, blue door, patio doors on the side of the house, with a 4ft pony wall

We don't know factually from the sheriff if it was a Forced Entry
So this should have been addressed by the sheriff in the beginning

We know when Nancy was dropped off at home, the garage door opened up at approximately 9:48 p.m. and closed (9:50 p.m.) as the home's smart garage system recorded the activity

But the timeline of Nancy's disappearance doesn't quite fit the puzzle

At 11.56 pm, the family checked on Nancy 12:03 pm, the family called the emergency number 911

Then the sheriff said around 11. am ish.
Well, then that's around 60 minutes

But how did they get in to check on Nancy?

If the family entered through the front door, they would have seen the blood and called 911 straight away

If they said we used the garage to get into Nancy's house

The LE would have that data point at a certain time (the home's smart garage system)

Well then, the LE would be asking what you were doing in there for that amount of time etc.. ?



A search warrant was then issued to impounded AG car as part of the investigation

But you can't impound someone's car without a reason and not give it back; the law does not allow you to do that

Unless it has some evidence-based value

As normally it's 10 days to hold the vehicle, it's now a month in

The vehicle is still of interest to the LE in this case, and a judge has approved the continued holding of that vehicle

 

[emigrate]

His hand looked swollen or injured when he was detained and prior to being handcuffed.

How long was it after Nancy went missing? I can't remember if this is the LD or the Carlos guy, I think his name is Carlos, I need a cheat sheet.

 

[iamshadow21]

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Some interesting points at Nancy's house. There are 6 points of entry to the inside

Front door, garage, 2 balcony back doors, blue door, patio doors on the side of the house, with a 4ft pony wall

We don't know factually from the sheriff if it was a Forced Entry
So this should have been addressed by the sheriff in the beginning

We know when Nancy was dropped off at home, the garage door opened up at approximately 9:48 p.m. and closed (9:50 p.m.) as the home's smart garage system recorded the activity

But the timeline of Nancy's disappearance doesn't quite fit the puzzle

At 11.56 pm, the family checked on Nancy 12:03 pm, the family called the emergency number 911

Then the sheriff said around 11. am ish.
Well, then that's around 60 minutes

But how did they get in to check on Nancy?

If the family entered through the front door, they would have seen the blood and called 911 straight away

If they said we used the garage to get into Nancy's house

The LE would have that data point at a certain time (the home's smart garage system)

Well then, the LE would be asking what you were doing in there for that amount of time etc.. ?



A search warrant was then issued to impounded AG car as part of the investigation

But you can't impound someone's car without a reason and not give it back; the law does not allow you to do that

Unless it has some evidence-based value

As normally it's 10 days to hold the vehicle, it's now a month in

The vehicle is still of interest to the LE in this case, and a judge has approved the continued holding of that vehicle











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The car thing doesn't necessarily mean anything, I don't think Gannon's family ever got his Nintendo Switch back from LE even though it had nothing to do with his killing.

Sometimes things just go into the black hole of an investigation and take forever, or never emerge. And this is still an active investigation without a publicly identified suspect. They're going to hang on to things for as long as they can until they're absolutely of no importance to any case they want to build.

MOO

 

[submarine7]

How long was it after Nancy went missing? I can't remember with and is this that LD or the Carlos guy, I think his name is Carlos, I need a cheat sheet.

I'd say it was about 10-11 days after NGs disappearance. This references LD.

 

[cathathorse]

What does he say about his hand? I'm not watching an hour long video

the right hand looks swollen on the camera and it could be swollen from an injury he sustained trying to jump over a wall at the house or something else... that's also why he seems to be favoring his left side and could be why his hand is in a fist as he approaches the camera (as opposed to a flat hand).... although, I would think swelling would make it more difficult to make a fist as opposed to a flat/fully extended hand and fingers.

 

[cathathorse]

How long was it after Nancy went missing? I can't remember if this is the LD or the Carlos guy, I think his name is Carlos, I need a cheat sheet.

LD was 2 weeks after she went missing. I went back and watched the video and his hand did appear to be swollen and he was rubbing the wrist of his right hand but 2 weeks is a long time for swelling not to subside

 

[emigrate]

I'd say it was about 10-11 days after NGs disappearance. This references LD.

So if he was injured that many days later I wonder how injured it was to begin with, whenever and however he injured it. Not saying anything about it being connected to Nancy because we are not allowed to assume anyone injured themselves doing anything unsavory.

 

[bluestsocks]

The car thing doesn't necessarily mean anything, I don't think Gannon's family ever got his Nintendo Switch back from LE even though it had nothing to do with his killing.

Sometimes things just go into the black hole of an investigation and take forever, or never emerge. And this is still an active investigation without a publicly identified suspect. They're going to hang on to things for as long as they can until they're absolutely of no importance to any case they want to build.

MOO

Seems also possible that the family said they didn’t care and to keep it as long as they wanted to be cooperative and because they have other concerns they’re focused upon.

 

[submarine7]

So if he was injured that many days later I wonder how injured it was to begin with, whenever and however he injured it. Not saying anything about it being connected to Nancy because we are not allowed to assume anyone injured themselves doing anything unsavory.

JMO he seems to favor his right side in the video. I would say it would have to be a pretty significant.

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

Yes, for sure. I was thinking about this. The whole thing feels a world away from the experience of plenty of people in Tucson, in my neighborhood as well. I didn't mean to speak for everyone in the larger community, but I was daunted by trying to get into all the nuances. I mostly meant that I don't think there's a need for PCSD to be putting anyone on alert. Either people are already on alert, or it's unlikely that this crime would be of any more consequence than whatever people are already alerted to on the daily all the time ... if that makes sense. MOO.

Agree that this crime feels a world away from many people in Tucson. This crime was totally targeted with the suspect "casing the house" prior to the crime. The people I know in Tucson aren't feeling that they are in danger because there's a criminal on the loose, but rather feel that there is a criminal out there who committed a horrific crime that was specifically targetted to NG.

JMO

 

[iamshadow21]

Seems also possible that the family said they didn’t care and to keep it as long as they wanted to be cooperative and because they have other concerns they’re focused upon.

Perhaps. A car's a pretty big item, though. Takes up room in a lot. I don't think police would hold it longer than they wanted to for that reason.

MOO

 

[submarine7]

LD was 2 weeks after she went missing. I went back and watched the video and his hand did appear to be swollen and he was rubbing the wrist of his right hand but 2 weeks is a long time for swelling not to subside

Did you see it on the news? I want to see it.

 

[submarine7]

LD was 2 weeks after she went missing. I went back and watched the video and his hand did appear to be swollen and he was rubbing the wrist of his right hand but 2 weeks is a long time for swelling not to subside

I agree it is a long time for an injury but perhaps it more a long term condition? I had mother's thumb for almost a year and my wrist and hand were swollen.