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  • #41,481
Right. And flowers may just be flowers, but sales of yellow flowers spiked in Tucson and KVOA put up the banner because people were asking what they could do to help ... besides praying, sharing the doorbell videos, being vigilant, and being discouraged by the sheriff from searching.
Driving around neighborhoods within a few miles of Nancy’s (and AG’s) you’ll see a lot of yellow ribbons on mailboxes, and I’ve noticed some streets which have an older population living on them have yellow ribbons on every single mailbox. People in Tucson do care.

This is from my own experience but I did find this People article with photos showing the yellow ribbons: https://people.com/nancy-guthrie-ne...oxes-with-yellow-ribbons-amid-search-11907926
 
  • #41,482
I've thought of that, too. But I noticed on one of BE's videos that the area is full of drainage tunnels. That could be another possibility.
He needed to be able to drop her off close to where he could park his car but to be in a place where she wouldn't readily be found. And somehow easy and convenient for him on his way home in Tucson or elsewhere. JMO
 
  • #41,483
There's a ginormous banner with her photo that says, "Bring Her Home" signed by thousands of people.
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I took a photo of this beautiful post at the banner last Tuesday and thought about sharing it here, given all the grimness of this case. Seems like a relevant moment in the conversation.
 
  • #41,484
I go back and forth between LD and DC. IMO DC's eyes and how he hid his right hand give me pause. Besides the mouth, what pushes you toward LD? I do hope they are watching these people closely.
To me, neither of them seem to gel with the level of preparation on display in the crime.

DC's extortion attempt seems sloppy in comparison, and similarly, that level of preparation runs counter to what a low-level criminal like LD would even consider IMO

But that opinion is formed from me believing the perp has displayed an unusually high level of preparation
 
  • #41,485
I go back and forth between LD and DC. IMO DC's eyes and how he hid his right hand give me pause. Besides the mouth, what pushes you toward LD? I do hope they are watching these people closely.

With LD :

-We have proximity and familiarity w/ neighborhood and roads (lives 2 miles away).
-We have an established connection to Walmart (his last arrest was in a Walmart parking lot).
-We have established past possession of firearms (even though he's a felon, obviously he doesn't care).
-We have a history of drugs which I believe might connect to all the "disconnects" I've seen in the masked man footage which I quickly listed in the post a few above, and have discussed in many posts in detail before. The drugs also seem to push a desperate brazen motivation (see his dumb arrests).
-We have the fact that they photographed and impounded his RR.
-We have the glaring visual match to the eyes. Very circumstantial, but dang, he has those zesty eyes in some of the pics and the match to a released description is spot on.
-He just seems like the type of knucklehead to try something like this.

Of course, could end up being nothing though. But they have him on other charges pending so no rush forming a case.
 
  • #41,486
Yes, that looks like a good area to check for NG! I wonder if there are cameras?
JMO
Some of the houses have cameras and he would have passed or been near those houses. I would think the park area (picnic tables by the lake and restrooms) would have cameras but I don't know. I've never noticed them.

JMO
 
  • #41,487
I don’t think they have anything at this point as far as an actual suspect. There may be evidence in their possession that has to be reviewed or processed, which will lead them to their person/s. But I don’t think they have anyone in their crosshairs yet.
 
  • #41,488
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I took a photo of this beautiful post at the banner last Tuesday and thought about sharing it here, given all the grimness of this case. Seems like a relevant moment in the conversation.
I love Mackenzie Robbs cactus metaphor. There's Psalm 23 right below!
 
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May i ask a question about the getaway car? Of course identifying it would be huge. However, Where the heck was it on that night? One perp, it's parked somewhere that possibly could be seen as not belonging in the neighborhood at 2 am. 2 perps, one is sitting in the car waiting? One is in the house with perp#1? Still there's a car there. 2 perps and one was circling the block? Nah. too much of a risk seeing it on security footage as a car circling .

Ok, So, let's go back to one perp. Car is parked somewhere? What's behind NG's home? Backyard touching her backyard? Same problem arises. manned or unmanned vehicle not belonging in the hood at 2am. Plus, IMO she was taken out the front door due to the blood droplets on the front porch.

All it took was one person peeking out the window at 2am to notice that car sitting on the street. OR someone's dog barking. Luck or what?????????? JMO
 
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I took a photo of this beautiful post at the banner last Tuesday and thought about sharing it here, given all the grimness of this case. Seems like a relevant moment in the conversation.
And there is also Psalm 23. Thanks for posting.

-Nin
 
  • #41,492
To me, neither of them seem to gel with the level of preparation on display in the crime.

DC's extortion attempt seems sloppy in comparison, and similarly, that level of preparation runs counter to what a low-level criminal like LD would even consider IMO

But that opinion is formed from me believing the perp has displayed an unusually high level of preparation
Agree. I also believe that this perp researched, prepared carefully and planned extensively for this crime. I agree that low level criminals don't fit how this perp thought through so many possible scenarios and planned accordingly. JMO
 
  • #41,493
I love Mackenzie Robbs cactus metaphor. There's Psalm 23 right below!
I noticed the Psalm 23 when I was posting and honestly hoped no one would start theorizing that the signer had to be the perp. ;) :confused:
 
  • #41,494
With LD :

-We have proximity and familiarity w/ neighborhood and roads (lives 2 miles away).
-We have an established connection to Walmart (his last arrest was in a Walmart parking lot).
-We have established past possession of firearms (even though he's a felon, obviously he doesn't care).
-We have a history of drugs which I believe might connect to all the "disconnects" I've seen in the masked man footage which I quickly listed in the post a few above, and have discussed in many posts in detail before. The drugs also seem to push a desperate brazen motivation (see his dumb arrests).
-We have the fact that they photographed and impounded his RR.
-We have the glaring visual match to the eyes. Very circumstantial, but dang, he has those zesty eyes in some of the pics and the match to a released description is spot on.
-He just seems like the type of knucklehead to try something like this.

Of course, could end up being nothing though. But they have him on other charges pending so no rush forming a case.
The one physical feature that doesn't seem to match LD are PGs lips. PG has full lips and LD has very thin lips. However, I believe PG is wearing two masks and those lips are fake.
 
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May i ask a question about the getaway car? Of course identifying it would be huge. However, Where the heck was it on that night? One perp, it's parked somewhere that possibly could be seen as not belonging in the neighborhood at 2 am. 2 perps, one is sitting in the car waiting? One is in the house with perp#1? Still there's a car there. 2 perps and one was circling the block? Nah. too much of a risk seeing it on security footage as a car circling .

Ok, So, let's go back to one perp. Car is parked somewhere? What's behind NG's home? Backyard touching her backyard? Same problem arises. manned or unmanned vehicle not belonging in the hood at 2am. Plus, IMO she was taken out the front door due to the blood droplets on the front porch.

All it took was one person peeking out the window at 2am to notice that car sitting on the street. OR someone's dog barking. Luck or what?????????? JMO
I believe it was either quietly pulled in the driveway w/ lights off (I wound imagine they tested for tire tracks day 1 on that surface). There is enough privacy landscaping to hide it from view of spaced out homes (see pics attached).

Second option, is that it was a car with accomplice/associate in/around the neighborhoods and was called in, then drove in driveway and out quickly.
 

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With LD :

-We have proximity and familiarity w/ neighborhood and roads (lives 2 miles away).
-We have an established connection to Walmart (his last arrest was in a Walmart parking lot).
-We have established past possession of firearms (even though he's a felon, obviously he doesn't care).
-We have a history of drugs which I believe might connect to all the "disconnects" I've seen in the masked man footage which I quickly listed in the post a few above, and have discussed in many posts in detail before. The drugs also seem to push a desperate brazen motivation (see his dumb arrests).
-We have the fact that they photographed and impounded his RR.
-We have the glaring visual match to the eyes. Very circumstantial, but dang, he has those zesty eyes in some of the pics and the match to a released description is spot on.
-He just seems like the type of knucklehead to try something like this.

Of course, could end up being nothing though. But they have him on other charges pending so no rush forming a case.
All of this, couldn’t have said it better myself. It feels the right amount of personal to me, where the perp might not have known who SG was necessarily but would know “rich, famous girl’s mom lives close by”. IMO

The mouth is the thing that gets me the most. I’m not sure if I’m allowed to post screenshots of LD’s mouth here so I won’t, but look him up yourselves and compare his pursed lips and mustache shape to these photos (I cropped the photos from the linked article) it’s chilling, MOO.

 

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  • #41,497
May i ask a question about the getaway car? Of course identifying it would be huge. However, Where the heck was it on that night? One perp, it's parked somewhere that possibly could be seen as not belonging in the neighborhood at 2 am. 2 perps, one is sitting in the car waiting? One is in the house with perp#1? Still there's a car there. 2 perps and one was circling the block? Nah. too much of a risk seeing it on security footage as a car circling .

Ok, So, let's go back to one perp. Car is parked somewhere? What's behind NG's home? Backyard touching her backyard? Same problem arises. manned or unmanned vehicle not belonging in the hood at 2am. Plus, IMO she was taken out the front door due to the blood droplets on the front porch.

All it took was one person peeking out the window at 2am to notice that car sitting on the street. OR someone's dog barking. Luck or what?????????? JMO
If the car was parked with its lights off I don't think any of the neighbours would necessarily be even able to see it from their windows. And when driving with lights on, I'm not sure the neighbours would see anything beyond the lights

The bigger issue is other vehicles passing and I wonder if someone did actually spot something suspicious and that's why LE have been so interested in LD's RR and asking neighbours about their trucks when canvassing
 
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With LD :

-We have proximity and familiarity w/ neighborhood and roads (lives 2 miles away).
-We have an established connection to Walmart (his last arrest was in a Walmart parking lot).
-We have established past possession of firearms (even though he's a felon, obviously he doesn't care).
-We have a history of drugs which I believe might connect to all the "disconnects" I've seen in the masked man footage which I quickly listed in the post a few above, and have discussed in many posts in detail before. The drugs also seem to push a desperate brazen motivation (see his dumb arrests).
-We have the fact that they photographed and impounded his RR.
-We have the glaring visual match to the eyes. Very circumstantial, but dang, he has those zesty eyes in some of the pics and the match to a released description is spot on.
-He just seems like the type of knucklehead to try something like this.

Of course, could end up being nothing though. But they have him on other charges pending so no rush forming a case.
A lot of things with LD make sense for him to be the perp. FBI had enough on him to get a federal judge to sign a federal warrant to search his home, which has a higher bar than getting a warrant for a regular search. But, does he has the ability to plan this crime in the very meticulous and thorough way in which it was planned?

I do believe that LE and FBI have continuing to monitor him and his movements, and likely have surveillance on LD and other possible suspects.

JMO
 
  • #41,500
I think the facts surrounding his 2025 arrest are interesting. He had a gun and tactical gear. That's pretty odd.

Maybe that is what bothers me. What would he have been doing with that pitiful holster?
 
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