Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[FaviousM]

Why did he even approach the enclosed brick vestibule? has been something I have mulled over.

The easiest explanation in my mind is that they planned to remove the camera so it didn't capture whatever vehicle they used to take NG away.

Even if they didn't pull the vehicle into the driveway they couldn't have been certain the camera couldn't see the street

I also feel like they may not have wanted to pull the vehicle into the driveway until NG was secured, but I could go both ways on that point

 

[teeandcee]

I would bet that is the case. If the warrants were unsealed and they are employing covert tactics, the POIs would know. If I am remembering correctly from the numerous books I've read about the Scott and Laci Peterson case, they had trackers and bugs on Scott almost immediately.

I didn’t know that. And it still took about 4 months to arrest him. Hopefully there’s so much more going on behind the scenes here too.

 

[FaviousM]

Nancy Guthrie disappearance: FBI asks neighbors about tech glitch as search hits day 34

The FBI returned to talk to neighbors of missing Nancy Guthrie about possible glitches with their internet on the night that the 84-year-old went missing during the early hours of Feb. 1.

www.foxnews.com

So it sounds like they are entertaining the idea of some sort of disruption of the internet

 

[SeattleStew]

DBM duplicate

 

[wibbleflea]

[…] Why did the Sheriff say that he didn't believe that they would be able to recover anymore footage after the door nest camera footage was released? He mentioned previously that Nancy had "multiple cameras". Why hasn't there been any other video clips of Lantana man shared besides the one from the battery operated door nest camera?

It could be because all the footage from all camera was being overwritten (no subscription). The exception is the camera that was removed. After it was removed, it was no longer sending footage and the existing footage (likely from 2:12 am) wasn't overwritten. Recovering overwritten footage is much harder, and the chances are low.

 

[shonyakay]

I looked at that photo of the exterior of the back of the home. There was an enclosure. Entrance to it may or may not have had a lock. The air conditioning unit was inside the enclosure. The circuit breaker box was attached to the house and to the right. First, the enclosure may have been locked. He might have to deal with that. Otherwise, the perp has to climb over the enclosure in his puffy attire. Then he has to reach the circuit breaker box. Why would he even bother to do any of this? BUT, if he did, he was well equipped with a little bite light so he covered that base. I, myself, feel that the killing of the electricity is excessive and unnecessary and was not part of the crime. JMO

The little enclosure where the breaker unit is, is where all of Nancy's garbage cans were located. I highly doubt Nancy took her garbage cans to the curb for trash pickup with her limited mobility. Also, the door gate that is attached to that enclosure and the Casita that leads to the back of the house was being opened and closed with ease by LE personal.

 

[stmichael]

If I was the Sheriff's PIO, I would have gagged him by now.

The other day yet another Pima County cop, Former Lieutenant Bob Krygier, who was the SWAT leader, said in his experience with the Sheriff he is known to be a poor public speaker. I have noticed this is his interview style info dumps and clearly there's a lot of his opinions/emotions in there and not the cold facts that paint a clearer picture you would expect with a more formal public information method. It really is hard to get any indication with all the qualifying "maybes, I think, it's possible that..." Very much speaks to the importance of PIO in a case.

"I wouldn’t put it past him to be on that semantics train," he said, referring to the sheriff's recent comments. "He is not the best one to deliver those messages most times."

 

[cathathorse]

Nancy Guthrie disappearance: FBI asks neighbors about tech glitch as search hits day 34

The FBI returned to talk to neighbors of missing Nancy Guthrie about possible glitches with their internet on the night that the 84-year-old went missing during the early hours of Feb. 1.

www.foxnews.com

So it sounds like they are entertaining the idea of some sort of disruption of the internet

I wrote about this early on-- a Court TV reporter mentioned during a livestream the night of Feb 5th that Nancy's neighbor's cameras disconnected that night, too. I tried to find this to link it here but the live streams from that night were suspiciously not on the CourtTV website or on CourtTV's YouTube channel. On reddit, everyone called me a fabulist/liar so I stopped posting there.

 

[Rick7788]

This article mentions one piece of evidence was taken from FBI’s visit yesterday. It doesn’t include from exactly where or what it is. Hopefully I copied the link correctly.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2029737806147506611

I know that Michael Ruiz was trailing FBI going door to door in an area N of NG's house yesterday. Close to Orange Grove Rd.
I wonder if the piece of evidence was collected in that area?

 

[GrannySheri]

I still think the power being cut can't be ruled out yet because a battery-powered Google Nest camera like the one that was located by Nancy's door will continue to record motion-activated events even if the electricity/Wi-Fi goes out.
It saves any motion-activated clips to local memory for up to one hour.

Why did the Sheriff say that he didn't believe that they would be able to recover anymore footage after the door nest camera footage was released? He mentioned previously that Nancy had "multiple cameras". Why hasn't there been any other video clips of Lantana man shared besides the one from the battery operated door nest camera?
Why was the door camera the only camera (that we know of) taken by the Perp?

Has it ever been mentioned what type of cameras the others were? Google was able to retrieve that footage from the Nest doorbell cam.. Ring had said they wouldn't have been able to retrieve that footage without a subscription. I had been hoping all of her cameras were Nest and that we would have seen more footage by now..

JMO

Ring founder addresses FBI recovery of doorbell footage in Nancy Guthrie disappearance case

Ring founder Jamie Siminoff says Ring does not retain deleted footage without a subscription as the FBI confirms video was recovered from backend systems in the Nancy Guthrie disappearance.

www.foxbusiness.com

"I do know with Ring specifically, if you delete a recording or if you don't want a recording, you don't
have a subscription. We do not have it stored. I know that because I built the systems with my team," Siminoff said.

 

[stmichael]

The easiest explanation in my mind is that they planned to remove the camera so it didn't capture whatever vehicle they used to take NG away.

Even if they didn't pull the vehicle into the driveway they couldn't have been certain the camera couldn't see the street

I also feel like they may not have wanted to pull the vehicle into the driveway until NG was secured, but I could go both ways on that point

OK, so this would fit with possibility #2 I listed with an accomplice in the home already.

The thing that strikes me is that his approach was so not purpose-driven, and he was seemingly surprised by the camera and then fumbled with it. I don't think he knew a camera was there (the vestibule as seen in the several pictures I posted) is very covered and dark, and hard to see from other angles on the property.


And if he had an accomplice inside waiting to remove NG, why not just open the front door at that point. Now we are not privy to a lot of info in this case. There was no forced entry on that door, but if the police found both deadbolt on the door locked then it would further make less sense. I do believe as illustrated in the pictures with the police truck parked right by the walkway and obscured by brush from the street view in daylight that would be the point to pull up a vehicle comfortably.

A lot of this would be easier to speculate on if we knew the locations/conditions/angles of the other cameras on the property and the condition/ease of breaching other entry points, and any other evidence we are not privy to that surely they have. I believe there were major camera blind spots and residential doors/windows that may have been easily breach-able (and would not leave signs of forced entry) like a slider.

 

[pitbull]

Oh Gosh! Don't apologize. I can see your confusion it if the ransom notes were sent days later and it would be more of an after thought. They were sent approximately 36 hours later, so proximate to the kidnapping. Does that change anything for you?

Thanks! It doesn't change my thinking. I believe the ransom notes were generated by an insider with knowledge of the crime scene...JMO

 

[Sadi]

No--it is the house next door on the same side of street.
They have been to this house many many many many many times.
Something about this house has piqued their interest more than any other, IMO.
They keep going back.......
Remember--LE was seen behind this house going removing the manhole cover and probing with a pole back on Feb 8th.

As an aside--is this also the house where the lady resident has been antagonistic/hostile towards the media?
Upthread there was video of a resident lashing out at reporters. Anyone know if this is the same house/resident?

Do you have the house address? Do you know who lives there? I wonder if the FBI visited this house yesterday? And removed something as evidence?

 

[MrsEmmaPeel]

Can someone explain what might cause internet outage among a few houses? I guess it could also be power or cable TV outage.

 

[stmichael]

Has it ever been mentioned what type of cameras the others were? Google was able to retrieve that footage from the Nest doorbell cam.. Ring had said they wouldn't have been able to retrieve that footage without a subscription. I had been hoping all of her cameras were Nest and that we would have seen more footage by now..

JMO

Ring founder addresses FBI recovery of doorbell footage in Nancy Guthrie disappearance case

Ring founder Jamie Siminoff says Ring does not retain deleted footage without a subscription as the FBI confirms video was recovered from backend systems in the Nancy Guthrie disappearance.

www.foxbusiness.com

"I do know with Ring specifically, if you delete a recording or if you don't want a recording, you don't
have a subscription. We do not have it stored. I know that because I built the systems with my team," Siminoff said.

Google was only able to get the Nest cam footage off their deep servers because the camera was disabled according to them.

Had he not actually physically disconnected/damaged the camera it would have recorded over the last recording and that footage we have would be lost, according to Google. This is because there was not an active cloud subscription on those cameras by NG.

So the criminals' act of physically disabling that specific doorbell camera allowed the last footage of him to remain on their servers.

 

[GrannySheri]

"According to those homeowners, the agents told them that several people who live in the area have mentioned that there were glitches with their internet that night."

Guthrie case investigators question neighbors about any internet issues on the night she disappeared

The 84-year-old mother of “TODAY” co-anchor Savannah Guthrie has been missing for more than a month.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Sadi]

OK, so this would fit with possibility #2 I listed with an accomplice in the home already.

The thing that strikes me is that his approach was so not purpose-driven, and he was seemingly surprised by the camera and then fumbled with it. I don't think he knew a camera was there (the vestibule as seen in the several pictures I posted) is very covered and dark, and hard to see from other angles on the property.


And if he had an accomplice inside waiting to remove NG, why not just open the front door at that point. Now we are not privy to a lot of info in this case. There was no forced entry on that door, but if the police found both deadbolt on the door locked then it would further make less sense. I do believe as illustrated in the pictures with the police truck parked right by the walkway and obscured by brush from the street view in daylight that would be the point to pull up a vehicle comfortably.

A lot of this would be easier to speculate on if we knew the locations/conditions/angles of the other cameras on the property and the condition/ease of breaching other entry points, and any other evidence we are not privy to that surely they have. I believe there were major camera blind spots and residential doors/windows that may have been easily breach-able (and would not leave signs of forced entry) like a slider.

You’re right, why not just open the front door and reach out to remove the camera? Why didn’t this happen?

 

[FaviousM]

Can someone explain what might cause internet outage among a few houses? I guess it could also be power or cable TV outage.

I think an issue here is that most people use internet and WiFi interchangeably

If it was actually WiFi dropouts, that could be explained by the perp using a WiFi Jammer though the range is seemingly only 15-30m

If it was an actual broadband dropout, the most likely explanation would just be a crappy ISP (though what a coincidence) , I doubt the perp would be fiddling with a network cab to cause that kind of disruption. But I guess it's not impossible.

 

[MrsEmmaPeel]

But doesn’t Internet outage cycle back to the Nest cam in the alcove still being viable because it had battery back up and also stored images awaiting uploading? So if an accomplice was meant to bring a car around and decided to scope the front walkway, he could have seen the Nest still operable and had to physically remove it before Nancy was brought out the front door?

 

[stmichael]

Can someone explain what might cause internet outage among a few houses? I guess it could also be power or cable TV outage.

You can just cut the fiber optic line coming to the house (small black cable about the size of old cable tv coax). In my neighborhood I have a long front run (over 200') and it fell off the pole onto the ground (linemen said it was "ok') Until a deer snagged and tore it and all internet was out. It's now hung up again but someone could easily cut it at the house level.

Supposedly a wifi signal jammer pack could temporarily disable the signal. I've seen those with break ins even in NYC now, but they are more popular in home invasions abroad.

A few house could be a downed line or technical issue on their end. I am not sure if NG's neighborhood had buried lines--I believe it does from pics--and then any digging or even animals chewing can cut the line.

In any physical breach there would be evidence and a signal would not go back on until repaired.