• #42,921
No - that's the house to the south on the same side. The videos that came out show it to be the house across the street but a little south.
No--it is the house next door on the same side of street.
They have been to this house many many many many many times.
Something about this house has piqued their interest more than any other, IMO.
They keep going back.......
Remember--LE was seen behind this house going removing the manhole cover and probing with a pole back on Feb 8th.

As an aside--is this also the house where the lady resident has been antagonistic/hostile towards the media?
Upthread there was video of a resident lashing out at reporters. Anyone know if this is the same house/resident?
 
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I'm an old lady, as I say often. On the one hand, this case is disappointing. I wanted it solved quickly because it is horrible and because I can imagine Nancy's fear and the family's heartbreak. On the other hand, this case is a lesson for me. It's good to be reminded that in a world where we go to war suddenly with little cause or a teenager becomes a billionaire with TikTok videos, sometimes hard work and difficult solutions still go on-- without glory or cheering crowds. I choose to believe that's what's happening behind the scenes here. It's always what's happened in police work, and the pace of today's world has not changed that. With all the technology, with all the gadgets. With all the media attention. There's still plodding and slow methodical work. It's still a jigsaw puzzle that sits on the table for weeks. It's hard to do that kind of project with the world watching, but thank goodness, LE does. FBI chiefs come and go, but our local LE agencies endure through failure and success. Just my thought for the day. Wishing LE well as they work hard-- and don't get distracted by what the public demands.
 
  • #42,924
Why did he even approach the enclosed brick vestibule? has been something I have mulled over.


There was no sign of forced entry including a welded steel security door and the side glass windows were intact (a common point to breach to reach in and flip open the deadbolt).

The vestibule was dark and provided cover, but he seemed surprised by the doorbell camera. It was however tucked away and the scope of the camera was narrowed by the structure of the brick vestibule and far enough from the side yard approach that it didn't even need to be disabled as a general casing of the home. It was a hard point with a steel security door and multiple locksets and a deadbolt.

A couple possibilities remain as to why he approached there.

1. He used the front door as a ruse to get NG to the door and then intimidated and coerced her into opening the door as he was clearly displaying what looked to be a firearm. If he had some info on her or her family he could have yelled a ruse convincing enough to get a startled elderly woman to come to the door then say he'll shoot her through the door/window and she panicked and let him in. Stranger things have happened.

2. Another possibility is he had an accomplice already on the inside and they removed NG through the front door into the driveway (trail of blood right at door swing clearance) to a waiting vehicle (which would be obscured from the street - see pics related. Police truck at walkway is obscured from street view in daylight). In that case, however, I would expect his approach to be more purpose-driven, quick and non-hesitant. The way he went about it doesn't translate into that scenario but maybe he's just weird like that. That would indicate a different primary point of entry and I am curious to see what evidence if any of that the investigation has. I would also be interested to know the camera blind spots on the property in this context.
I thought three people were involved with this kidnapping, but after others mentioned it would be difficult for one of them not to turn around and call a tip in. I’m now thinking only one person or two at the most are involved. If any of the neighbors have an adult male living at home with them and resemble the suspect, I hope they have made a call to report it. I’m really hoping something big happens soon and an arrest is coming.
 
  • #42,925
Entin spoke yesterday with people who'd been newly interviewed by investigators. Speaking to Maureen O'Connell, he said this:

“One of the neighbors I spoke to (who I know just from being out there so long) told me that there wasn't anything significantly new that they were asking, but he said he got the feeling that [the investigators] were more confident this time. Like, he just said he had a feeling of confidence like things were moving in the right direction.”

The link has been posted multiple times but this should start at the right place for you to hear the snippet above.
 
  • #42,926
I agree. Whoever did this is either dead or moved on.
They tried their big plan for a big payday and it failed epically on that level. Probably because 84 year old NG died in the process.
But they didn’t get caught.
When a million dollars doesn’t inspire somebody, it’s over.
I think he moved on, but is not dead! Just back to regular life, acting normal!
As far as $1mil, none of his family or associates have noticed a change, so no one to turn in!
JMO
 
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Has anyone seen any confirmation that there was an Uber driver or any talk of LE interview with that person?

I know we wont get any info on it now--but would have been interesting to see an interview with the Uber driver(female) to get a feel for the conversion she had with NG.

I know it was probably just a short 10 minute ride(assuming she came from her own house)---but sometimes small chit-chat can reveal mood/purpose of the trip etc etc. Maybe some clues. Maybe not. But would be interesting to know anyways.
 
  • #42,928
BBM We havent seen that. .Sheriff's Speculation on Motion Alerts: Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos noted that while a sensor detected movement at 2:12 a.m., there was no saved video for that specific alert. He stated it was possible the camera was triggered by "something else, jmo

February 5, 2026 Sheriff Nanos stated the following,

"Sunday morning, early morning at 1:47 a.m. the doorbell camera disconnects."

"At 2:12 a.m., software detects a person on camera, but there's no video available. They had no subscription and therefore it would rewrite itself. Kind of it, it just kind of loops right, and covers up.
That's what are analysis teams have told us. We're not done with that. We'll do all we can, but that's what it says. So, that detects a person on camera. Could that be an animal? I imagine that's possible. We don't know that. We just have no video, but we're not giving up on that."

Five days later on February 10, 2026 the FBI with the help of Google successfully recovered Nancy's front door nest camera footage via residual data in Google's backend system.
 
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I still think the power being cut can't be ruled out yet because a battery-powered Google Nest camera like the one that was located by Nancy's door will continue to record motion-activated events even if the electricity/Wi-Fi goes out.
It saves any motion-activated clips to local memory for up to one hour.


Why did the Sheriff say that he didn't believe that they would be able to recover anymore footage after the door nest camera footage was released? He mentioned previously that Nancy had "multiple cameras". Why hasn't there been any other video clips of Lantana man shared besides the one from the battery operated door nest camera?
Why was the door camera the only camera (that we know of) taken by the Perp?
I looked at that photo of the exterior of the back of the home. There was an enclosure. Entrance to it may or may not have had a lock. The air conditioning unit was inside the enclosure. The circuit breaker box was attached to the house and to the right. First, the enclosure may have been locked. He might have to deal with that. Otherwise, the perp has to climb over the enclosure in his puffy attire. Then he has to reach the circuit breaker box. Why would he even bother to do any of this? BUT, if he did, he was well equipped with a little bite light so he covered that base. I, myself, feel that the killing of the electricity is excessive and unnecessary and was not part of the crime. JMO
 
  • #42,930
Why did he even approach the enclosed brick vestibule? has been something I have mulled over.
The easiest explanation in my mind is that they planned to remove the camera so it didn't capture whatever vehicle they used to take NG away.

Even if they didn't pull the vehicle into the driveway they couldn't have been certain the camera couldn't see the street

I also feel like they may not have wanted to pull the vehicle into the driveway until NG was secured, but I could go both ways on that point
 
  • #42,931
I would bet that is the case. If the warrants were unsealed and they are employing covert tactics, the POIs would know. If I am remembering correctly from the numerous books I've read about the Scott and Laci Peterson case, they had trackers and bugs on Scott almost immediately.

I didn’t know that. And it still took about 4 months to arrest him. Hopefully there’s so much more going on behind the scenes here too.
 
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DBM duplicate
 
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[…] Why did the Sheriff say that he didn't believe that they would be able to recover anymore footage after the door nest camera footage was released? He mentioned previously that Nancy had "multiple cameras". Why hasn't there been any other video clips of Lantana man shared besides the one from the battery operated door nest camera?
It could be because all the footage from all camera was being overwritten (no subscription). The exception is the camera that was removed. After it was removed, it was no longer sending footage and the existing footage (likely from 2:12 am) wasn't overwritten. Recovering overwritten footage is much harder, and the chances are low.
 
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I looked at that photo of the exterior of the back of the home. There was an enclosure. Entrance to it may or may not have had a lock. The air conditioning unit was inside the enclosure. The circuit breaker box was attached to the house and to the right. First, the enclosure may have been locked. He might have to deal with that. Otherwise, the perp has to climb over the enclosure in his puffy attire. Then he has to reach the circuit breaker box. Why would he even bother to do any of this? BUT, if he did, he was well equipped with a little bite light so he covered that base. I, myself, feel that the killing of the electricity is excessive and unnecessary and was not part of the crime. JMO

The little enclosure where the breaker unit is, is where all of Nancy's garbage cans were located. I highly doubt Nancy took her garbage cans to the curb for trash pickup with her limited mobility. Also, the door gate that is attached to that enclosure and the Casita that leads to the back of the house was being opened and closed with ease by LE personal.
 
  • #42,936
If I was the Sheriff's PIO, I would have gagged him by now.

The other day yet another Pima County cop, Former Lieutenant Bob Krygier, who was the SWAT leader, said in his experience with the Sheriff he is known to be a poor public speaker. I have noticed this is his interview style info dumps and clearly there's a lot of his opinions/emotions in there and not the cold facts that paint a clearer picture you would expect with a more formal public information method. It really is hard to get any indication with all the qualifying "maybes, I think, it's possible that..." Very much speaks to the importance of PIO in a case.

"I wouldn’t put it past him to be on that semantics train," he said, referring to the sheriff's recent comments. "He is not the best one to deliver those messages most times."
 
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So it sounds like they are entertaining the idea of some sort of disruption of the internet
I wrote about this early on-- a Court TV reporter mentioned during a livestream the night of Feb 5th that Nancy's neighbor's cameras disconnected that night, too. I tried to find this to link it here but the live streams from that night were suspiciously not on the CourtTV website or on CourtTV's YouTube channel. On reddit, everyone called me a fabulist/liar so I stopped posting there.
 
  • #42,938
This article mentions one piece of evidence was taken from FBI’s visit yesterday. It doesn’t include from exactly where or what it is. Hopefully I copied the link correctly.


I know that Michael Ruiz was trailing FBI going door to door in an area N of NG's house yesterday. Close to Orange Grove Rd.
I wonder if the piece of evidence was collected in that area?
 
  • #42,939
I still think the power being cut can't be ruled out yet because a battery-powered Google Nest camera like the one that was located by Nancy's door will continue to record motion-activated events even if the electricity/Wi-Fi goes out.
It saves any motion-activated clips to local memory for up to one hour.

Why did the Sheriff say that he didn't believe that they would be able to recover anymore footage after the door nest camera footage was released? He mentioned previously that Nancy had "multiple cameras". Why hasn't there been any other video clips of Lantana man shared besides the one from the battery operated door nest camera?
Why was the door camera the only camera (that we know of) taken by the Perp?
Has it ever been mentioned what type of cameras the others were? Google was able to retrieve that footage from the Nest doorbell cam.. Ring had said they wouldn't have been able to retrieve that footage without a subscription. I had been hoping all of her cameras were Nest and that we would have seen more footage by now..

JMO


"I do know with Ring specifically, if you delete a recording or if you don't want a recording, you don't
have a subscription. We do not have it stored. I know that because I built the systems with my team," Siminoff said.
 
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The easiest explanation in my mind is that they planned to remove the camera so it didn't capture whatever vehicle they used to take NG away.

Even if they didn't pull the vehicle into the driveway they couldn't have been certain the camera couldn't see the street

I also feel like they may not have wanted to pull the vehicle into the driveway until NG was secured, but I could go both ways on that point

OK, so this would fit with possibility #2 I listed with an accomplice in the home already.

The thing that strikes me is that his approach was so not purpose-driven, and he was seemingly surprised by the camera and then fumbled with it. I don't think he knew a camera was there (the vestibule as seen in the several pictures I posted) is very covered and dark, and hard to see from other angles on the property.


And if he had an accomplice inside waiting to remove NG, why not just open the front door at that point. Now we are not privy to a lot of info in this case. There was no forced entry on that door, but if the police found both deadbolt on the door locked then it would further make less sense. I do believe as illustrated in the pictures with the police truck parked right by the walkway and obscured by brush from the street view in daylight that would be the point to pull up a vehicle comfortably.

A lot of this would be easier to speculate on if we knew the locations/conditions/angles of the other cameras on the property and the condition/ease of breaching other entry points, and any other evidence we are not privy to that surely they have. I believe there were major camera blind spots and residential doors/windows that may have been easily breach-able (and would not leave signs of forced entry) like a slider.
 
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