Nate's Story

[Reannan]

I also saw the interview with Nate on Nancy Grace, but something totally different jumped out at me. It was this statement:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../09/ng.01.html

Snip ~
NATE: She said that Caylee was at the nanny`s. But when she started staying with us full-time, she had said that, you know, there were some problems at home, she didn`t want Caylee being subjected to it.

When I heard Nate saw that, I got cold chills. I believe that is the little lie that KC is using for herself to rationalize what she has done. I believe that after the argument on the 15th, she killed Caylee, and in her own twisted mind, she now believes she did it go keep Caylee from EVER having to deal with Cindy or George. I think KC has reconciled in her own mind that what she did to Caylee was preferable to living under the rule of CA and GA. I mean look at horrible they were! They refused to give KC everything she deserved, and forced her to have to steal - even from her own grandfather - and THEN, they had the nerve to confront her about the plight they had thrust upon her. (all of that was supposed to by from KC's point of view - by the way - NOT what I think).... I think she can look straight into the eyes of LE and everyone else now, and lie like she does because she thinks she is justified for having killed Caylee. I believe KC hates her parents more than they realize even to this day. You can hear it in the tone of KC's voice during that first phone call from prison where she chides Cindy for her "little cameo" appearance. I also believe KC is still enjoying the punishment that she is now briinging to GA and CA. Sickening on so many levels, and sad on so many others.

 

[icherish]

I think if it had been an accident when Casey was given that out she would have broke. Think how an accidental death would weigh on a conscience.

Wouldn't an accidental death leave anyone rattled for at least for an evening?

I think she doesn't want Caylee found because she is afraid Caylee's body will show it wasn't an accident.

I think Casey tried to call Cindy and George because she was furious with them for whatever they said to her during the fight. I imagine she was even angrier when they didn't pick up the phone. I imagine she was calling her parents to let them know they weren't ever going to get her child, only they didn't pick up the phone to hear.

Can you imagine what Cindy and George would be feeling if that is the case?

IMO

We are talking about Casey, the world class liar. I don't think she rattles easily, certainly not like a normal person. However, I do think the thought of her mother finding out Caylee was dead because of her negligence rattled Casey more than the child's actual death. Casey gave clues to that in her interview with LE. (IIRC, during the part where they are hammering her)

As far as intentional vs. accidental. Yes, she *could have done something intentionally. I would not put it past her. I just think the accidental theory fits best..partly based on subtle clues in Casey's responses. Also the fact that the body was moved around. IMO that is a sign of hesitation, of being unsure of what to do. If she did it intentionally, it makes *more that she would have been more final with disposing of Caylee's body. Not move her from one place to the next. Not leave her in the trunk so long as to cause the effects of decomp to build up to an overwhelming degree. By the evidence in that trunk, it seems Caylee's body was in that trunk a long time. JMO

 

[Mom of Five]

What if Casey was bringing Caylee to Gpa's house during that first week and sleeping over at AL's. It seems like that could've been part of the catalyst for the fight. Cindy and George yelling about how she couldn't just be a Mom when it suited her and if she was going to leave Caylee at night that they were going tro seek custody.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I also saw the interview with Nate on Nancy Grace, but something totally different jumped out at me. It was this statement:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../09/ng.01.html

Snip ~
NATE: She said that Caylee was at the nanny`s. But when she started staying with us full-time, she had said that, you know, there were some problems at home, she didn`t want Caylee being subjected to it.

When I heard Nate saw that, I got cold chills. I believe that is the little lie that KC is using for herself to rationalize what she has done. I believe that after the argument on the 15th, she killed Caylee, and in her own twisted mind, she now believes she did it go keep Caylee from EVER having to deal with Cindy or George. I think KC has reconciled in her own mind that what she did to Caylee was preferable to living under the rule of CA and GA. I mean look at horrible they were! They refused to give KC everything she deserved, and forced her to have to steal - even from her own grandfather - and THEN, they had the nerve to confront her about the plight they had thrust upon her. (all of that was supposed to by from KC's point of view - by the way - NOT what I think).... I think she can look straight into the eyes of LE and everyone else now, and lie like she does because she thinks she is justified for having killed Caylee. I believe KC hates her parents more than they realize even to this day. You can hear it in the tone of KC's voice during that first phone call from prison where she chides Cindy for her "little cameo" appearance. I also believe KC is still enjoying the punishment that she is now bringing to GA and CA. Sickening on so many levels, and sad on so many others.

I have to agree and my theories have been all over the place. I believe Casey was not use to being challenged on any of her wrongdoings and when she was on the 15th, she seethed with hatred toward her parents.

I think she had the mental thought of "I'll show you" "You will regret doing this to me for the rest of your lives". Just an example of course.

I do think this happened by a woman who always had gotten her way and erupted when she was dared to be challenged. She knew perfectly well what would bring them to their knees and imo she had no qualms doing it.

imoo

 

[Sammiejam]

I also saw the interview with Nate on Nancy Grace, but something totally different jumped out at me. It was this statement:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../09/ng.01.html

Snip ~
NATE: She said that Caylee was at the nanny`s. But when she started staying with us full-time, she had said that, you know, there were some problems at home, she didn`t want Caylee being subjected to it.

When I heard Nate saw that, I got cold chills. I believe that is the little lie that KC is using for herself to rationalize what she has done. I believe that after the argument on the 15th, she killed Caylee, and in her own twisted mind, she now believes she did it go keep Caylee from EVER having to deal with Cindy or George. I think KC has reconciled in her own mind that what she did to Caylee was preferable to living under the rule of CA and GA. I mean look at horrible they were! They refused to give KC everything she deserved, and forced her to have to steal - even from her own grandfather - and THEN, they had the nerve to confront her about the plight they had thrust upon her. (all of that was supposed to by from KC's point of view - by the way - NOT what I think).... I think she can look straight into the eyes of LE and everyone else now, and lie like she does because she thinks she is justified for having killed Caylee. I believe KC hates her parents more than they realize even to this day. You can hear it in the tone of KC's voice during that first phone call from prison where she chides Cindy for her "little cameo" appearance. I also believe KC is still enjoying the punishment that she is now briinging to GA and CA. Sickening on so many levels, and sad on so many others.

And CA and GA have given her a ring-side seat to their pain. She is laughing at them, at us, at the LE. She thinks she has gotten away with it! And the fact that she is not in prison right now further enables that belief.

So far she has had it all her own way, plus the "celebrity" and money offers.

Honestly, it makes me sick to my stomach. :furious: In her mind, i'm sure she thinks that she is being REWARDED for her actions.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

We are talking about Casey, the world class liar. I don't think she rattles easily, certainly not like a normal person. However, I do think the thought of her mother finding out Caylee was dead because of her negligence rattled Casey more than the child's actual death. Casey gave clues to that in her interview with LE. (IIRC, during the part where they are hammering her)

As far as intentional vs. accidental. Yes, she *could have done something intentionally. I would not put it past her. I just think the accidental theory fits best..partly based on subtle clues in Casey's responses. Also the fact that the body was moved around. IMO that is a sign of hesitation, of being unsure of what to do. If she did it intentionally, it makes *more that she would have been more final with disposing of Caylee's body. Not move her from one place to the next. Not leave her in the trunk so long as to cause the effects of decomp to build up to an overwhelming degree. By the evidence in that trunk, it seems Caylee's body was in that trunk a long time. JMO

I understand what you are saying but I do believe the act itself could have been premeditated. I have read about murderers who perpetrated intentional murders moving the body from its original location.

She very well beforehand may have thought the burying of Caylee in the backyard would work but then something spooked her afterward and she felt she should move the body elsewhere.

I cannot comprehend any mother who accidentally killed their child not divulging where their beloved child's body is. That just makes no logical sense to me. It does though if the child was murdered and it is a waiting game that Casey is playing hoping that the environmental factors erases all evidence of that.

imo

 

[Jolynna]

I understand what you are saying but I do believe the act itself could have been premeditated. I have read about murderers who perpetrated intentional murders moving the body from its original location.

She very well beforehand may have thought the burying of Caylee in the backyard would work but then something spooked her afterward and she felt she should move the body elsewhere.

I cannot comprehend any mother who accidentally killed their child not divulging where their beloved child's body is. That just makes no logical sense to me. It does though if the child was murdered and it is a waiting game that Casey is playing hoping that the environmental factors erases all evidence of that.

imo

I agree.

I also agree that rage at her parents for daring to threaten her led to Casey following through on a plan that had been kind of a fantasy.

And I agree with Reann that Casey rationalized she was doing what was best for Caylee.

 

[liltigress]

What jumps out at me is the interview with Tony in the 400 pager. There was a 3rd party in the background (not sure who offhand) that told LE "you didn't want to talk to her" when LE was asking Tony about Casey calling him while he was in New York.

That tells me that the relationship was deteriorating and Casey probably knew this and felt desperate to hold on to him.

This gives me 2 reasons she would want Caylee out of her way.
To hold on to Tony..
To punish her mother..

Face it, Tony is a young dude with his whole life in front of him.. a career that appeared to be growing and seemingly an important person. Where in that type of life and party does a child fit in?

Casey didn't keep Caylee away at night when she was with Ricardo so why did she do it when she was with Tony? Caylee never spent the first night at Tony's. That is very important, IMO.

There's more here than we know.

 

[seagull65]

Caylee never spent the night. Just Casey.




No but that doesn't mean they didn't interview him. It just means it wasn't included in the documents regarding her child neglect and lying to the police charges.

He/they SAY Caylee never spent the night. (I don't take any of the statements as gospel because you never know. It's funny to me when Nancy Grace quotes all the statements by the players, except KC, as if they are undisputable facts.)

 

[Themis]

He/they SAY Caylee never spent the night. (I don't take any of the statements as gospel because you never know. It's funny to me when Nancy Grace quotes all the statements by the players, except KC, as if they are undisputable facts.)

What date on or after June 15, 2008 do you believe Casey took Caylee with her from the Anthony home?

Where do you believe Caylee spent the first night away from the Anthony home on or after June 15, 2008?

 

[passin_through]

What jumps out at me is the interview with Tony in the 400 pager. There was a 3rd party in the background (not sure who offhand) that told LE "you didn't want to talk to her" when LE was asking Tony about Casey calling him while he was in New York.

Yeah, Liltigress
Even more than that bothered me about TonE in that police interview. Sean had made that comment "you didn't want to talk to her". Also when TonE is trying to give the date of when he went to NY, TonE asks Sean--did you go to NY on the 29th? Sean answers yes, then TonE says I went the 30th then.

Why did TonE need to ask Sean when he went, other than possibly giving himself a supporting alibi. If TonE knew the date Sean went, he surely knew the date he himself went. I also found it odd police would interview TonE in front of others. What if they need testimony from both, they each know what the other said word-for-word.

But yeah, the not wanting to talk to her was interesting, eh?

 

[concentric]

If it were "accidental" and that word can be interpreted a few ways, I think Casey (in her mind) knew for a certainty she would be charged with her murder anyway, so she had better make a good story and hide the body well.

 

[Fuzzymuffin]

Just because it was, hypothetically, an "accidental" death doesn't mean that KC would have a conscience about it. And once she got busy trying to hide what happened she decided she had to keep hiding it.

 

[Hope for the Best]

What jumps out at me is the interview with Tony in the 400 pager. There was a 3rd party in the background (not sure who offhand) that told LE "you didn't want to talk to her" when LE was asking Tony about Casey calling him while he was in New York.

Yeah, Liltigress
Even more than that bothered me about TonE in that police interview. Sean had made that comment "you didn't want to talk to her". Also when TonE is trying to give the date of when he went to NY, TonE asks Sean--did you go to NY on the 29th? Sean answers yes, then TonE says I went the 30th then.

Why did TonE need to ask Sean when he went, other than possibly giving himself a supporting alibi. If TonE knew the date Sean went, he surely knew the date he himself went. I also found it odd police would interview TonE in front of others. What if they need testimony from both, they each know what the other said word-for-word.

But yeah, the not wanting to talk to her was interesting, eh?

Maybe TonE just didn't remember for sure when he left for NY, but knew it was the day after Sean left, and that's why he was asking Sean. Also, I don't think this would've been a motive in Caylee's disappearance, since Caylee disappeared sometime around June 15th, and TonE didn't want to talk to Casey sometime around June 30th-July 5th. Whatever had happened to Caylee had already happened. JMO

 

[Hope for the Best]

Just because it was, hypothetically, an "accidental" death doesn't mean that KC would have a conscience about it. And once she got busy trying to hide what happened she decided she had to keep hiding it.

I agree. I think she's gotten herself swept away in living the lie, and she probably has lost track of reality. One thing that still makes me wonder, if it was an accident, why she doesn't just give up the gig. But, the more I think about it, the more I think maybe she did do something terribly horrible to the body, like burnt it, or fed it to alligators, or tossed it in a dumpster, and in which case, accident or not, it is so hard to imagine a person doing that to their own child. So, even though the death was accidental, the disposal was not. Or, she was doing something she shouldn't have been doing, like using chloroform to get Caylee to sleep, and having her sleep in the car, which even though Casey may not have meant for Caylee to die, she did, and that isn't going to sit well with people either.

 

[monoxide]

Sometimes I get so involved in this case that I have trouble sleeping at night. How can that family lay their head down on a pillow and truly sleep? They probably sleep through exhaustion.

 

[passin_through]

Yes, Hope For, I agree whatever happened to Caylee happened before TonE's trip. It happened imo, early morning wee hours of the 16th, or between 1pm-7pm the 16th.

TonE not wanting to talk to Casey is more interesting because it sounds like Casey wasn't 'all that' to him. Casey needed to be 'all that' to somebody, she needed a new person for finacial support since it appears mom and dad were pulling the plug on theirs. Just reads desperate on Caseys part, to moi. It's not like TonE was a real looker or anything, personal taste here but he was pretty average.

I can't imagine that TonE would know Sean's departure was the 29th and know that he left the day after Sean, but not know his own date of departure. Do I think it implies guilt? No, it implies to me somebody who is scared. I would be scared in that situation, even if I were innocent! I DO find it odd that police would interview him in front of Sean, though.

This interview was the 28th of July, so I suppose it's fair to guess by that point
they could be focused on Casey as the only POI. Zenaida gave her written statement on the 16th, I see written statements from other people who stayed at TonE's apt from the 16th, so TonE may have been on his 2nd interview.

I had thought the openness (meaning they weren't speaking to him alone) of the interview was interesting, that's all.

 

[Can't Sleep]

I thought that "dating" was different from "having sex"

Yep. And T. Lazarro took Casey and Caylee out to dinner a few times. That was probably his idea of dating and getting to know someone. I think Casey always presumed that having sex meant a deep relationship and so as soon as she got in the sack with someone, she thought she was practically engaged - entitled to move in and set up housekeeping. That's really what she wanted was a knight in shining armor to whisk her away from the tragedy of her delusional miserable life. She was a hot number...six weeks and moving in.

I think T. Lazarro probably wanted to be a little more of a gentleman and court her for a while. (Showing my age here...oops!) I mean, "date" her for a while...just to get to know her and be sure she wasn't an axe-murderer or something. That's still a good idea...

:gift: . :heart: . :hug: . :blowkiss: . :Banane41: . :Banane39:

^
In the OLD days.

 

[icherish]

Just because it was, hypothetically, an "accidental" death doesn't mean that KC would have a conscience about it. And once she got busy trying to hide what happened she decided she had to keep hiding it.

Very true, good point.

 

[maconrich]

Sometimes I get so involved in this case that I have trouble sleeping at night. How can that family lay their head down on a pillow and truly sleep? They probably sleep through exhaustion.

Me too I'm sure they're emotionally exhausted plus it has to be the only time they're not grieving - altho it's quite possible their daytime nightmares haunt them in their sleep. And while many seem to think they are not grieving, in my mind there's no question about it -- they are. They may not be showing it the way most people do / or people think they should, but IMO at least part of that is because the media (and other) attention is on them all the time. Not only is it practically forcing them to defend KC, but it could also be making it harder for them to accept the reality that little Caylee is gone.

In fact given the media feeding frenzy and the people camping out in front of their house, I'm not sure how they could even attempt to deal with anything that's happened on an emotional level. They are probably doing their best just to try and get thru each day. And I'm sure they (G & C) dream about Caylee a lot... It has to rip their hearts out when they wake up and realize it was only a dream and that their precious little grandbaby is, most likely, gone forever... :cry:

To get back to the thread topic: with Nate, I agree with those who do not believe he, TL and whoever confronted her about Caylee not staying there. KC seems to be a chameleon pretending to be exactly what/who she thinks the person she's with wants her to be. Because of this she would have picked up on any unspoken concern/reservations about Caylee being there and acted before anyone had to say anything.

IMO it's quite possible that she was good at getting guys for this reason, but not so good at keeping them because it's hard to be someone else (ie the man's dream woman) 24/7, and her true personality would have to start slipping out over time. (Plus most men don't like overly clingy women and too much of that can make the easy sex a little less important.)

I know LP expressed that he believes a male friend may have helped her after the fact, but I don't think this friend was TL or any of his roommates.