NC - Boys 8, 9, & 11 rape 9 yr old girl

[AfterMidnight]

I agree with a lot of what you said. However. . .we may have chosen to have our children, but we had no say in the choices of content displayed on our television screens. Whether we like it or not, we have sanitary protection ads, penis enlargement ads, viagara ads, and a variety of sleazy, ill-disguised in most of the other shows. I know I can do without tv, and could when my children were growing up. I shut the damned thing off when things got a bit "hot" and that was 20 years ago. But, in today's media world it's almost impossible to protect the kiddies from sleaze of some sort without throwing the tv out the window. We should not have to live that way. We should take back our right to decent television shows.

I also have to agree that there was some sort of sexual abuse going on with these boys. I just finished reading Death of Innocence, a true story about the horrific rape, murder, and attempted murder of 2 12 year old girls by two young boys, 15 and 16. This story was horrible. What those boys did was perverted and disgusting. One of the boys had been abused by his father and the other was - well, there are no words. Half imbecile seems right, but not really accurate. They were both Amoral as opposed to Immoral. Both, btw, were great tv watchers. However. . .this story took place about 30 years ago when tv wasn't as bad as it is today. I believe there is a combination of factors at work in these crimes. BUT, tv and movies definitely play a role and I believe all those who are concerned about their children need to do something about what is on tv now, aside from monitoring. You cannot monitor everything, it's impossible.

 

[Busylady]

I guess I am just a prude!! But in my opinion something is wrong with society and how we view sex etc. You can do everything in your power to shield your child from these things but its impossible. Have any of you recently shopped for little girls clothes or panties? Why the hell are there bikini panties or thongs for a 5 yr old, or sweat pants with sayings across the bottoms, or belly shirts, or low cut jeans that barely cover anything. Its out there because it sells and thats a problem for me. Growing up as a family we use to be able to sit together and watch one tv show as a family, name me one that is family appropriate now, that doesnt deal with sex, people jumping from partner to partner, drug use, etc they arent out there anymore. Yes it is a parents responsibility to raise our children and protect and sensor what they see, but what do you do make your children wear blindfolds when they leave the house and ear plugs so they arent exposed to it. Society has taken a relaxed anything goes attitude.

 

[LinasK]

I guess I am just a prude!! But in my opinion something is wrong with society and how we view sex etc. You can do everything in your power to shield your child from these things but its impossible. Have any of you recently shopped for little girls clothes or panties? Why the hell are there bikini panties or thongs for a 5 yr old, or sweat pants with sayings across the bottoms, or belly shirts, or low cut jeans that barely cover anything. Its out there because it sells and thats a problem for me. Growing up as a family we use to be able to sit together and watch one tv show as a family, name me one that is family appropriate now, that doesnt deal with sex, people jumping from partner to partner, drug use, etc they arent out there anymore. Yes it is a parents responsibility to raise our children and protect and sensor what they see, but what do you do make your children wear blindfolds when they leave the house and ear plugs so they arent exposed to it. Society has taken a relaxed anything goes attitude.

I agree with a lot of what you said. However. . .we may have chosen to have our children, but we had no say in the choices of content displayed on our television screens. Whether we like it or not, we have sanitary protection ads, penis enlargement ads, viagara ads, and a variety of sleazy, ill-disguised in most of the other shows. I know I can do without tv, and could when my children were growing up. I shut the damned thing off when things got a bit "hot" and that was 20 years ago. But, in today's media world it's almost impossible to protect the kiddies from sleaze of some sort without throwing the tv out the window. We should not have to live that way. We should take back our right to decent television shows.

I also have to agree that there was some sort of sexual abuse going on with these boys. I just finished reading Death of Innocence, a true story about the horrific rape, murder, and attempted murder of 2 12 year old girls by two young boys, 15 and 16. This story was horrible. What those boys did was perverted and disgusting. One of the boys had been abused by his father and the other was - well, there are no words. Half imbecile seems right, but not really accurate. They were both Amoral as opposed to Immoral. Both, btw, were great tv watchers. However. . .this story took place about 30 years ago when tv wasn't as bad as it is today. I believe there is a combination of factors at work in these crimes. BUT, tv and movies definitely play a role and I believe all those who are concerned about their children need to do something about what is on tv now, aside from monitoring. You cannot monitor everything, it's impossible.

Agreed! It's not just the shows, anything on TV is fair game, so the V-Chip is useless in my opinion. If you are going to watch TV with your child in the room, you need to have the remote control handy at all times. It's the commercials that you can't predict- the Tampon commercials during the day, and even channels that should be safe at night- like Food Network still show Viagra-type commercials and previews for Vegas -type shows! Our young daughter is a night-owl and the producers aren't assuming young children watch anything at night, WRONG!!!
I also agree about young girls' clothing. I will not allow my 5 or 6 year old to be wearing bolero jackets and crop-top shirts. When we see a girl wearing a crop shirt, I tell my daughter that "it's too small, she's outgrown her shirt!" She will also not be wearing sweats with sayings across the butt!!!
I was molested at age 13, and my daughter will maintain her innocence if I can help it. There was something wrong that 8 year old boys know how to rape a girl and that they think it's okay. Most likely they were molested, but billboards have been sexualized even back when I was 13 or 14- just think of the woman in the black dress lying on her side in the Vodka ads.

 

[ziggy]

In a way you're preaching to the choir, however, many parents can't monitor teenagers 24/7. The kids want to have "their space" AND many parents just aren't responsible. Even though we try to regulate, it's a pretty MAJOR job to keep up with what TV show has what content and movies etc. I could get a PhD in the time I've spent researching what kids are into. and what shows are bad.

Now, I believe we should be responsible, but what about the unfortunate "I didn't ask to be born" kids who don't even know who their father is and who suffer the breakdown in the American family that so many people have contributed to? I feel for them. They shouldn't have to be subject to the filth that infiltrates their every moment they log on or tune in. Even morning radio shows on FM are just beyond R at times. That's drive time in the morning and you would not believe what they are talking about...spluge, vagina size etc. You cannot escape it.

So you're saying that the kids who don't have responsible parents should fall victim to big corporations who want to sell sex and line their pockets at the expense of these kids?

Sure, we should be,and some of us are, responsible, but ALL of us could use some help and a break. Being the media cop ALL THE TIME is just tiring and it shouldn't have to be that way.

 

[SewingDeb]

For those who say monitor or turn off the TV...that's fine and most of us do that. It's the children whose parents don't do that who need the help of some mild censorship by the companies who make these shows.

This 9 year old girl may have parents who are careful about what she watches but she lives in a world with kids who have seen way too much at an early age, whether it is on TV, movies or in real life.

 

[mssheila]

Back to the boys who allegedly raped this little girl... I could only find one or two articles on this, but they sure don't say much. I can't imagine any 8, 9 or 11 year old knowing HOW to do this! I mean.. literally. I have two boys- one is 8 (almost 9) years old and the other is 7 (almost 8) years old. They are close to these kids' age. What the heck? My kids couldn't even comprehend what had happened to this girl- let alone be able to perpetrate this crime. They know the basics about their "parts" but they wouldn't know how to "use" them in that way! Holy COW!

These poor kids- all of them. I can't imagine what this little girl is going through, and the boys- well- I echo the sentiment that something was going on at home with at least one of them- and that one introduced the other two to the sexual abuse. How awful for all of them. I would like to hear more about this incident, so if anyone hears any news, keep us posted.

 

[Wudge]

WHEN WILL THIS STOP???? The offenders are getting younger and younger. Is it because we are obsessed with sex as a whole in our contry? Where do children get these kind of ideas? I am so sad and confused at the moment

Sickening yet the predictable result of liberalism.

Pandemic family decay in america is the root cause. Parental influence has dramatically dropped. God is out. Peer influence is supreme.

 

[mom3dd]

I agree mssheila I doubt we will get to hear much more since they are minors. But then again somehow the news (some) outlets let minors names slip and/or parents names slip out. As for those who don't blame tv the post about our forefathers wanting freedom of speech so there would be no fear of goverment censorship or retaliation is correct. I for one think political correctness is hugely responsible for this garbage In real life you don't get a do over (who ever thought that one up) you loose you loose and try to win the next one by practicing. We don't want to hurt anyones feelings, well it is better to get your feelings hurt at age 7 and learn how to deal appropriately with it instead of at 16 and not knowing how to deal with it so lets take a gun and shoot everyone in site, that will teach them. Or learning respect and that there are bosses in the world in stead of turning 18 thinking that your boss is your best friend and you don't have to work. Then the 18 yr old can't accept being fired so it all everyone elses fault they lost the job. TV commercials are totally inappropriate and disgusting my teenage young adult women really do not want to see commercials about old men not being able to get it up while sitting beside the young man they are friends with or are dating.

 

[Indy Gal]

Sickening yet the predictable result of liberalism.
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Maybe you didnt mean to But I take offense to that. I am a liberal and there is no way in hell any of my children would ever do this!!

 

[Wudge]

Politics and politcians influence behavior dramatically, but I can't change societal norms nor directions. However, I can point out what should be intuitively obvious. Liberalism has significantly eroded traditional values, which continue to decay at an alarming rate.

And this kind of crime is the end result of a drastic change in family and societal values over the last 40 to 50 years. We are moving ever closer to an anything goes society.

When heinous crimes occur, people ask: Why. And that's why my answer belongs here and not in a politics-based forum. You are witnessing societal crossover.

 

[Indy Gal]

http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1760825&postcount=91

This is the post I was refering to. This is about rape of a little girl, NOT abortion, gay marriage, etc. But I will just use that little ignore button and all will be better.

 

[GlitchWizard]

For those who say monitor or turn off the TV...that's fine and most of us do that. It's the children whose parents don't do that who need the help of some mild censorship by the companies who make these shows.

This 9 year old girl may have parents who are careful about what she watches but she lives in a world with kids who have seen way too much at an early age, whether it is on TV, movies or in real life.

This was well said, by the way.

 

[believe09]

I do and did mean it. We have had a continual erosion of values under Liberalism. For example, God is dead; family is out; abortion is fine; gay is in; And the biggest crock of all time: It takes a village.

This is simple. When things go right, you look to the parents. And when things go wrong ....

Wow, Wudge-I agree that politics do not belong on this forum, but I would be remiss if I did not point out that your non liberal boy has had his hand controlling the pot for the last 6 almost 7 years and all we have seen as a result is a divided Congress, a divided country and an immense erosion of civil rights not to mention HUGE government, unchecked reign of special interest groups and we are isolated as a nation via our foreign policy "initiatives." Even Conservatives believe that small government is about people taking care of their own, so I am not sure about the crack regarding it "takes a village" although I am sure you are referring to Hillary. Where I grew up, the neighbors had the right to discipline you just as much as your parents did, I never talked back to teachers or other adults because they were due respect simply because they were older. Families watched out for each other-did everyone grow up sucessfully? Of course not, but we weren't raping each other at 8,9,11 years of age either.

 

[Indy Gal]

Very WELL said! Now back to the rape of this little girl.

 

[Wudge]

Wow, Wudge-I agree that politics do not belong on this forum, but I would be remiss if I did not point out that your non liberal boy has had his hand controlling the pot for the last 6 almost 7 years and all we have seen as a result is a divided Congress, a divided country and an immense erosion of civil rights not to mention HUGE government, unchecked reign of special interest groups and we are isolated as a nation via our foreign policy "initiatives." Even Conservatives believe that small government is about people taking care of their own, so I am not sure about the crack regarding it "takes a village" although I am sure you are referring to Hillary. Where I grew up, the neighbors had the right to discipline you just as much as your parents did, I never talked back to teachers or other adults because they were due respect simply because they were older. Families watched out for each other-did everyone grow up sucessfully? Of course not, but we weren't raping each other at 8,9,11 years of age either.

Politicians blunder in two ways. They make errors that last for a limited period of time, and they make directional errors that can or will influence/change (some changes are law based) societal values and/or norms in a way that may last forever.

Wars end. Decayed personal/societal values are much different and more lasting. This sad case is rooted in the end result of a society that has lost much of what was at one time a much stronger value base.

Some posters point to the influence of TV, games, Hollywood etc.; i.e. things that are part of the entertainment industry, and the entertainment industry is largely liberal.

As I said in my first post, the root cause is Liberalism. And this trend of stupendous bad behavior at ever younger ages is not going to change unless society decides to revise its value system to what was.

 

[Wudge]

Values, or a lack of values, that result in or cause crime are the proper province of this forum.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Are you serious? Are you blaming a horrific act like this on the media? Where are these kids parents while they are watching MTV and cruising for on the internet?

IMO, this is a clear case of neglect on the boys parents.

I agree that if the boys were viewing on computers in their homes that the parents were neglectful; however, you can't blame the parents that the boys sexually assaulted a woman.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

I'm not stubborn enough to not think that I was also wrong. I never was monitored what I watched or listened to - and I turned out okay, so I assumed tv had no effect. The more I see, the more I think I was wrong.

The more my daughter read stories of cutting and suicides on the internet, had gothic friends and listened to emo tales of woe - the more depressed she got until she cut. Why did she cut? Because she heard it made other kids feel better. *rolls eyes*

Yep. I'm rethinking. I hate it though, because I do like to always be right.

See I think that can work both ways. My kids know about Emo culture and it opened up a dialogue with me, which was fantastic. We discussed other ways in which they could express their feelings without resorting to cutting, drugs, etc.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

lavonne, my point was that MTV is available just about everywhere and it's on all day long. It's a starting point not the cause. You don't need to cruise for ...watch MSM that's on when kids are up. Perhaps it is the parents fault, but I suspect it goes way beyond that.

You're right about that!!!! MTV definately has some videos that shouldn't be shown until after midnight.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

I pay for it every month on my Comcast cable bill. Society has yet to foot my bill... I do not believe for one second that what a person has seen on TV or in a movie has any merit in making them the person they are today. It is the parent's responsibility, not the TV producer's or the cable company's, to mold their children into responsible, respectful adults.

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Edited to add: I'm sick and tired of people blaming this and that for things that happen. People need to OWN UP TO THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES and ACCEPT THE BLAME for what is happening in their lives!

Actually, studies have shown that even adults who are subjected to vast amounts of "" DO CHANGE how they view women and sex. So, of course we need to keep our kids away from it as much as possible, its pretty much everywhere. Adults are the No. 1 filter for this sort of thing, but kids cannot go anywhere without seeing at least some things that they shouldn't.