GUILTY NC - Jason Corbett, 39, murdered in his Wallburg home, 2 Aug 2015 #1

[stmarysmead]

But suppose at some point he was lying on his back on the floor. Imagine someone kneeling next to him, brick in hand. Couldn't a blow to the face have broken his nose at that point. We know what was said about "turning him over" on the 911 call...but we don't know what positions he may have been in as the attack ensued. He may have been knocked down, rolled over to try to get up, been hit in the face, pummeled all over. He may even have rolled over on his stomach near the end in a last final act to protect himself.


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[kittythehare]

the point I was trying to make is that if he had been hit with a weapon in the nose breaking, it is likely it would have broken his skin too.. a weapon is not generally used to break a nose, its almost invariably a fist, an experienced fist, if it was done in 1 blow

 

[sshhh!]

There are many possibilities regarding the broken nose. It's possible that JC was booted in the face after he hit the ground. Or his nose was clipped amid the wild swinging of the bat. Anything goes in a wild rage attack after all. Or if he was face down and repeatedly pummelled to the back of the head, this could have caused his nose to be broken against the ground. Or he may simply have broken it after he free-falled to the ground.

Each of those scenarios would be possible without any skin being broken. Athletes break their nose all the time through impact without any cuts or skin being broken. So the broken nose doesn't necessarily mean a man did it IMO.

 

[wildebeest]

I'm intrigued by the statement from Tom Martens that "it was a real donnybrook." Yet numerous articles say that police claim the scene of the crime did not match this description. I think that if Jason, a large and strong man, had his hands on Molly and was hit by an older smaller man, that the struggle between this big man and these two assailants would have included Jason flailing about, and damage to other things in the room while a bat was swung at a man trying to protect himself.

In my opinion, the police are saying that the room did not fit that kind of struggle.


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The statement by Tom, "it was a real donnybrook" was probably part of a well rehearsed "story" to explain Jason's death. Guess he didn't look around first, to see the evidence didn't match.

While on the subject of Tom, do we know his former position at FBI? When you hear about a person working for the FBI, you assume they are an agent. But, I have a feeling that there are many different types of careers at the FBI. Maybe this would explain his not so clever explanation of the events that night?

IMHO

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[kittythehare]

It would take massive force for his nose to break in any of those ways.. remember his skull took the impact in the blows to the head. In order for the same blows to have also broken his nose, the force of the impact would have necessarily transversed his brain and that would be obvious on autopsy.
Booted in face could do it but there would be other signs of impact consistent with a boot having made connection. This was not suggested by the autopsy.

Suppose , just suppose, the scenario is has TM described it? Suppose it was TM who had conducted the entire beating?

Though it does appear as though he was attacked while sleeping, this may not actually be the case.
All focus is on Molly, we are told that there were 2 other adults as well as molly present at that address when he was murdered.
We dont actually know whether that is the truth or not.
There may have been others present.

Its just a hunch, but I have a feeling we are looking at it incorrectly. I dont know what the truth is here. I know a man was viciously and violently murdered and there was an element of frenzy in the attack that led to the injuries that ultimately killed him.

I sense we need more info on TM.. his job at the time, and his fed career..
I am trying to stick to facts only, but I do tend to theorise and I apologise for that.. I will try always to say when I am theorising as opposed to outlining facts that are accurate. I am sensing /speculating that it was a male that broke his nose..

 

[Hotchips]

It would take massive force for his nose to break in any of those ways.. remember his skull took the impact in the blows to the head. In order for the same blows to have also broken his nose, the force of the impact would have necessarily transversed his brain and that would be obvious on autopsy.
Booted in face could do it but there would be other signs of impact consistent with a boot having made connection. This was not suggested by the autopsy.

Suppose , just suppose, the scenario is has TM described it? Suppose it was TM who had conducted the entire beating?

Though it does appear as though he was attacked while sleeping, this may not actually be the case.
All focus is on Molly, we are told that there were 2 other adults as well as molly present at that address when he was murdered.
We dont actually know whether that is the truth or not.
There may have been others present.

Its just a hunch, but I have a feeling we are looking at it incorrectly. I dont know what the truth is here. I know a man was viciously and violently murdered and there was an element of frenzy in the attack that led to the injuries that ultimately killed him.

I sense we need more info on TM.. his job at the time, and his fed career..
I am trying to stick to facts only, but I do tend to theorise and I apologise for that.. I will try always to say when I am theorising as opposed to outlining facts that are accurate. I am sensing /speculating that it was a male that broke his nose..

Could his nose have been broken from hitting the floor when hit from behind? He was a heavy man and if falling forwards there would have been quite a impact hitting the floor.

 

[Frizby]

Though it does appear as though he was attacked while sleeping, this may not actually be the case.
All focus is on Molly, we are told that there were 2 other adults as well as molly present at that address when he was murdered.
We dont actually know whether that is the truth or not.
There may have been others present.

Anything that I read regarding the other adults suggested that they had been there earlier, bit of a social gathering. Where have you seen any comment about others being actually present when the act took place?

 

[Hotchips]

http://web.ornl.gov/info/reporter/no109/apr09_dw.htm

Some insight into his career. He got an award in 2009 for outstanding counterintelligence work . I found ref to him giving a talk on terrorism in 2002 and he is described as a senior supervisory resident agent. I can't attach it as its PDF download.

 

[stmarysmead]

http://web.ornl.gov/info/reporter/no109/apr09_dw.htm

Some insight into his career. He got an award in 2009 for outstanding counterintelligence work . I found ref to him giving a talk on terrorism in 2002 and he is described as a senior supervisory resident agent. I can't attach it as its PDF download.

Sounds like a desk job. Martens is older, smaller, not exactly Kung Foo Panda. If he was standing in front of Jason and threw a punch that broke his nose, I would expect Martens would have had some evidence on his person of Jason doing something....not just standing there while they pummel him. It may turn out that way, but for now, I still think Jason was hit the first time while asleep.


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[kittythehare]

Anything that I read regarding the other adults suggested that they had been there earlier, bit of a social gathering. Where have you seen any comment about others being actually present when the act took place?

We discussed it here a few days ago following an article on Yahoo repeated by journal.ie in which her lawyer stated categorically that there were other adults (apart from mm and tm) present in the house that night

 

[kittythehare]

Could his nose have been broken from hitting the floor when hit from behind? He was a heavy man and if falling forwards there would have been quite a impact hitting the floor.

if it had there would have also been abrasions at point of impact.

 

[Frizby]

We discussed it here a few days ago following an article on Yahoo repeated by journal.ie in which her lawyer stated categorically that there were other adults (apart from mm and tm) present in the house that night

The lawyer only said that there were adults in the house when asked to comment about the events of the night, he did not say that there were other adults in the house at the time of the death.

http://www.thejournal.ie/jason-corbett-2288140-Aug2015/

The lawyer refused to go into detail about the events of the night in question but said there were a number of other adults in the house aside from the Martens and Mr Corbett.

We also know from the DM that they reported that there was a social event with some neighbours earlier on so I suspect he was referring to that.

 

[fido]

It would take massive force for his nose to break in any of those ways.. remember his skull took the impact in the blows to the head. In order for the same blows to have also broken his nose, the force of the impact would have necessarily transversed his brain and that would be obvious on autopsy.
Booted in face could do it but there would be other signs of impact consistent with a boot having made connection. This was not suggested by the autopsy.

Suppose , just suppose, the scenario is has TM described it? Suppose it was TM who had conducted the entire beating?

Though it does appear as though he was attacked while sleeping, this may not actually be the case.
All focus is on Molly, we are told that there were 2 other adults as well as molly present at that address when he was murdered.
We dont actually know whether that is the truth or not.
There may have been others present.

Its just a hunch, but I have a feeling we are looking at it incorrectly. I dont know what the truth is here. I know a man was viciously and violently murdered and there was an element of frenzy in the attack that led to the injuries that ultimately killed him.

I sense we need more info on TM.. his job at the time, and his fed career..
I am trying to stick to facts only, but I do tend to theorise and I apologise for that.. I will try always to say when I am theorising as opposed to outlining facts that are accurate. I am sensing /speculating that it was a male that broke his nose..

i think in order to wield a baseball bat effectively you would need to use your two hands. If so, somebody else was using the paving stone..... Poor Jason.

 

[kittythehare]

would anybody know the weight approximately of a child's bat ?
is there any description of the paving stone that was allegedly used as well? i know there were many images of the home, but I didnt notice paving stones..
My concern is the force used by whichever implement was used to smash his skull?
I am also unclear whether it was the force of the implement or its sharpness which succeeded in breaking skin and bone..
My reading is that the force must have been very vehement.
I also have a sense that he was already unconscious when these blows occurred.
what do others read from the autopsy?

 

[kittythehare]

i think in order to wield a baseball bat effectively you would need to use your two hands. If so, somebody else was using the paving stone..... Poor Jason.

That is good info, thanks Fido. I am not familiar with baseball at all, so a tad stumped on this one

 

[stmarysmead]

http://www.sundayworld.com/news/cri...-shielded-himself-from-horrific-attacks-blows

Gruesome.


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[LaLaw2000]

Is Robert Earnest Martens, MM's older brother?

I have read every single post up to this one. I just wanted to say that it was Jason's job that brought him to North Carolina. Why would MM's brother be there also? We need to be sure of our information, IMO.

I'm staying with this case and sincerely hope that MM and her Dad get what's coming to them! Jason sounds like such a good man and did not deserve what happened to him. My heart breaks for the children. I'm so glad they are in Ireland with their Dad's family!

Back to reading and catching up!

 

[LaLaw2000]

Not related to the slayer law. Did MM have to apply for an elective share?

http://info.legalzoom.com/north-carolinas-inheritance-law-22357.html
[h=2]Current Spouses[/h] Unless spouses are divorced prior to a deceased's death, a surviving spouse is always entitled to inherit from the deceased spouse's estate. If a surviving spouse is disinherited, North Carolina permits the surviving spouse to seek an "elective share" from the probate court. The surviving spouse must file a petition with her request no later than six months after the court issues letters testamentary to the executor of the estate, authorizing him to collect and distribute the deceased's property. The spouse is then entitled to inherit an elective share of one-half of the estate if the deceased is survived by no more than one child. If there are two or more children to inherit the deceased's estate, the surviving spouse's elective share is limited to one-third of the estate.

That is true in a normal marriage and death, IMO. MM will get absolutely nothing if she is convicted in criminal or found responsible in Civil court.

This is just reading about the Slayer Law, so JMO!!

 

[searchinGirl]

That is true in a normal marriage and death, IMO. MM will get absolutely nothing if she is convicted in criminal or found responsible in Civil court.

This is just reading about the Slayer Law, so JMO!!

The way i read the Slayer Statute was that it was intended to be totally punitive in nature intended to make clear that no matter how you come at it, no one can benefit in any way from killing someone in North Carolina...

 

[stmarysmead]

I hope that the DA will emphasize in his case the disturbingly callous way that the Marten family never missed a beat in immediately pursuing their selfish goals ...after committing such a brutal murder. Right away, they ran out and started pursuing custody. Poor Jason wasn't even buried yet. It is like they stepped over his body and said, "GOODIE, now Molly gets her way!"




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