GUILTY NC - Jason Corbett, 39, murdered in his Wallburg home, 2 Aug 2015 #1

[Electric Sheep]

I am curious about the belief that Molly and her family wanted Jason's money. He was a manager in a manufacturing facility. Probably a good enough living, but that living would die with Jason. I am not seeing the financial incentive for murder, unless I am missing something.

 

[Frizby]

I am curious about the belief that Molly and her family wanted Jason's money. He was a manager in a manufacturing facility. Probably a good enough living, but that living would die with Jason. I am not seeing the financial incentive for murder, unless I am missing something.

I think there have been a few comments about money by a few Jason supports, bit of hot air venting, however I got the feeling that they were only reactionary to many of the comments by MM supporters on her page where they were accusing the Corbett family of only being interested in Jason's money, only doing all this to MM so they could profit, saying they wanting the children's cloths & stuff so they could sell them, slating the fundraising as a money making racket, etc, etc. Some of they posts are quite vile actually, here is one which was in response to MM accusing the Guardian of breaking into the house

AMEN SISTER!! Are THESE pictures being shared with the mass of idiots over the pond? STAND STRONG Molly Martens Corbett!! Clearly these ...... honestly don't even have WORDS for what they are....have ONE GOAL here. To PROFIT in this horrific situation. To traumatize children just to make a buck (and that IS what they ARE doing) is disgusting, inconceivable & should be shared with the judge who made the decision "THIS was in the BEST INTEREST of the children". I'm sorry for you & the CONSTANT ABUSE you are going through daily!!!

Jason was comfortable but not wealthy. He may have life assurance but don't think money was a primary motive. But I doubt that MM wanted to give up her comfortable life either.

 

[Hotchips]

I don't believe it was about money either and still don't. It was about the children and yes they had a comfortable life but without the children it means nothing to her. A lot of tit for tit remarks/taunting was done from both sides with both saying the other only wanted them for the money. It is as you say frizby reactionary. The motive here i think was the possibility of him leaving the US and taking the children away and there was nothing legally she could do to stop him. It was too much to bear for her.

 

[stmarysmead]

I do believe that the children were the main motive. But Jason paid several hundred thousand dollars in cash for their home in NC. That's a nice enough nest egg for Molly, not to mention that he probably had life insurance, both company provided and his own.

The released LE documents state that "substantial amounts of money" we're appropriated by Molly and that's before cashing out a paid for house. Jason also moved $60,000 to Ireland.

We had a friend who was plant manager at a Caterpillar plant and one at a GM plant. They made very substantial executive salaries and benefits...far more than a mid level FBI employee. Jason may have seemed "rich" to his former Nanny.


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[fido]

Let's remember that Jason was nude and in his bedroom. I have a difficult time imagining him arguing with anyone, other than his wife, in the nude. Therefore , if this began with an argument, in my opinion, that argument was between husband and wife in the privacy of their bedroom. In that case, TM came rushing in.

There is a pathology in this family however that is apparent in their actions after the murder and to this day. They seem to believe in their own entitlement. Their daughter married a man that she soon discovered she did not love. But, even considering the short period of marriage, she wanted that man's children and the lifestyle his hard work provided her. Her family thought she should have both.

The unbelievably callous "operation" that swung into place immediately...that included the Mother, Father, Uncle, Aunt...to cover up and collect from the man they killed those very things they coveted...makes the whole family seem like heartless grifters. If it is true that they tried to have a cremation to cover their crime, and further their access to the children and the money, that is beyond the pale.

Their actions show that Jason must have meant nothing to them. The Martens had no interest in his family, in the grief of those who loved him. They were instead immediately organized to rob him of everything he worked for and those children he loved. This is so obscene...it puts the lot of them in a different perspective.

So in that case...maybe Daddy and Mommy Marten came flying down to Molly's defense, furious that the money and kids would be removed from their grasp. Maybe TM did throw the first punch and Molly joined in, beating with the brick, and the mother, hearing the commotion, got her husband a bat from the garage and then they didn't stop till they knew Jason was dead.

After, Jason was taken away, they swung into action...moving large sums of money, trying to arrange a cremation, and filing to keep the kids.

The more we learn about this family, the more grasping and monstrous they seem to me. I can only imagine the heartache of the Corbett family, knowing what these people are truly like and fearing for those children!

I think a jury will see the Martens much as I do. They keep "revealing" their attitudes. This stunt with the removal of the furniture. The attorney's lies about "kids taken in the middle of the night." The "drama" of the Facebook page compared to the inhumane lack of any feeling shown for the man they killed...just a stunning exposure of their "entitlement" and emotional apathy toward anybody other than themselves.

My opinion only.

I couldn't agree more. Their lack of remorse has been staggering given the brutal murder of a man who was part of their family for years and who was father to the children they claim to have loved. Here's another example of cruel and heartless... Classic disassociation...... Www.tributes.com/obituary/show/Jason-Paul Corbett.

 

[Hotchips]

That is true @stmarysmead what you say, he was well off but not wealthy. However the martens seem to have resources as they were able to post bail so quickly. He would be getting a pension from the FBI and was also working on a contract basis up to august and Sharon is a teacher, both would have healthy pension pots. I am unsure if they were old enough to be claiming their social security benefits on top of these salaries. I think just hypothetically speaking if molly had by some crazy turn of events retained custody of the children, the martens would have been more than able to set her up financially. If the events of august 2nd happened for financial benefit, it was a risky move by the martens given the presence of the slayer law and also any life insurance would most likely would have been held in trust for the children so her unlimited cash flow would have been at an end. No I don't believe money is the key here. Jason moving money means he had something in mind to do with it, whether molly was privy to this, we won't know until the trial.

 

[stephanddoody]

Mike Earnest did say in the interview regarding trying to gain access that they were "ringing about life insurance for the children" unless he thought it up, Molly must have told him there was a policy and which company it was . In my own opinion this would be the last thing on a persons mind that had witnessed what we know was a savage beating that ended Jason's life then again I wouldn't be withdrawing large amounts of money from the bank either .

 

[stmarysmead]

That is true @stmarysmead what you say, he was well off but not wealthy. However the martens seem to have resources as they were able to post bail so quickly. He would be getting a pension from the FBI and was also working on a contract basis up to august and Sharon is a teacher, both would have healthy pension pots. I am unsure if they were old enough to be claiming their social security benefits on top of these salaries. I think just hypothetically speaking if molly had by some crazy turn of events retained custody of the children, the martens would have been more than able to set her up financially. If the events of august 2nd happened for financial benefit, it was a risky move by the martens given the presence of the slayer law and also any life insurance would most likely would have been held in trust for the children so her unlimited cash flow would have been at an end. No I don't believe money is the key here. Jason moving money means he had something in mind to do with it, whether molly was privy to this, we won't know until the trial.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that you only need to post a percentage of bail...to be released. On a $250,000 bail that is $25,000. Their house could be bond for that...times two.

I do agree that money was not the motive, but they moved for the money so quickly, so obscenely. Even with their pensions and social security, I suppose having their daughter glom onto her murdered husbands savings, insurance, 401K and fully paid for house is better than supporting a clothes horse and three kids in your retirement. Molly was a big spenderremember.

They were so focused on THEMSELVES...their welfare. No one iota of remorse or empathy for Jason's family.

So I do agree about motive. But once he was dead, the Grifters went greedily for everything. My opinion only. They had better pray the jury sees them differently than I do.

By the way, I thought the children's photos were supposed to come down off FB. They are still there.


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[Hotchips]

Yes I believe there was a campaign to have the children's photos taken down but it seems to be a slow process. There are so many of them out there id say it will take some time. Some of the press have since blurred their faces but lots can still be seen. Leaving out the ones still up by the martens and co, many still surface on newspaper reports if you do a search on Facebook and the internet. As for the ones continuing to remain on the molly pages and her family this is an act of defiance and she will get her comeuppance for at some stage. I am astounded the aunt is leaving the one PIC up given the comments being left, its just odd and I wonder what is the purpose .

 

[kittythehare]

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that you only need to post a percentage of bail...to be released. On a $250,000 bail that is $25,000. Their house could be bond for that...times two.

I do agree that money was not the motive, but they moved for the money so quickly, so obscenely. Even with their pensions and social security, I suppose having their daughter glom onto her murdered husbands savings, insurance, 401K and fully paid for house is better than supporting a clothes horse and three kids in your retirement. Molly was a big spenderremember.

They were so focused on THEMSELVES...their welfare. No one iota of remorse or empathy for Jason's family.

So I do agree about motive. But once he was dead, the Grifters went greedily for everything. My opinion only. They had better pray the jury sees them differently than I do.

By the way, I thought the children's photos were supposed to come down off FB. They are still there.


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thats correct, only 10% of a bond is paid upfront.

 

[Deleted member 165489]

Interesting read in today's paper re TM
http://evoke.ie/news/irish-news/jason-corbett-case-thomas-martens-fbi-files-searched

 

[Electric Sheep]

Wow
"Prosecution has also filed a notice of aggravating factors in its case against both Molly Martens and her father, as it intends to prove the offence was ‘especially, heinous, atrocious or cruel’."

 

[searchinGirl]

thats correct, only 10% of a bond is paid upfront.

Usually one has a choice...100% paid to the court and kept until the trial is over when you can get the whole amount back...or 10% to a bondsman who guarantees the amount to the court but you never see the money again...

 

[kittythehare]

I do believe that the children were the main motive. But Jason paid several hundred thousand dollars in cash for their home in NC. That's a nice enough nest egg for Molly, not to mention that he probably had life insurance, both company provided and his own.

The released LE documents state that "substantial amounts of money" we're appropriated by Molly and that's before cashing out a paid for house. Jason also moved $60,000 to Ireland.

We had a friend who was plant manager at a Caterpillar plant and one at a GM plant. They made very substantial executive salaries and benefits...far more than a mid level FBI employee. Jason may have seemed "rich" to his former Nanny.


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I could be wrong but my reading was that he had merely made enquiries re moving the money, I am not sure he had actually moved it, in which case it could possibly have been the contents of the 'large withdrawals' made by mm, in the days following his death prior to the freeze order.
I am constantly amazed and confused by the delay in setting those freeze orders. As Slayer statute is firmly enshrined in practice in their county, should it not have happened automatically? The police after all knew immediately that the sights that greeted them upon arrival at 160 that night, was indeed the site of a murder, a particularly vicious and violent murder, and only 1 person, the victim showed signs of injury, death in this case.
Reading todays' posts I am struck again by the unliklihood that it was pre-meditated.. if it had been, the children would likely have been allowed to spend the night with the neighbours and a burglary could have been staged. I wonder whether they will use this in their defence?
Agree with stmarymead re their sense of entitlement throughout this whole affair. Its outrageous, but perhaps its typical in this area? Privelage and entitlement, akin to that seen in slave owners , not too very long ago.
Good re investigation of his professional records.. not sure they will show anything significant though.. sometimes things become deleted /occluded.

 

[Electric Sheep]

I agree, not premeditated. They would have come up with a better cover story if it was premeditated.

It sounds like the prosecutor feels confident about his case. I suspect we will learn a lot during the trial.

 

[kittythehare]

I agree, I knew I had seen a mention of a memorial, I think they thought they could push it all under the carpet and because of their background no one would question them. The mother had phoned the Corbett's to say that Jason had died because he hit his head after falling during an argument. They tried to control matters and while all this was going on, Jason's sister was in transit. The reference to the immediate cremation was only made as a comment on an article.

Do you have the timeline for Tracey ariving in the USA? he died around 3am Sunday morning, there was an interval of several hours before his family was notified. I have seen it reported that the difference was 8 hrs and 10 hrs.
Remember in a report, a court record, possibly from the custody hearings? There was a reference to MM having told Tracey that MM had told her she had killed her brother in a phone call?
the reason for my question is curiosity about how much time they had prior to Tracey's arrival. Also bearing in mind that Tracey would have been in severe shock herself and unfamiliar with local procedures in relation to sudden deaths.

 

[searchinGirl]

Do you have the timeline for Tracey ariving in the USA? he died around 3am Sunday morning, there was an interval of several hours before his family was notified. I have seen it reported that the difference was 8 hrs and 10 hrs.
Remember in a report, a court record, possibly from the custody hearings? There was a reference to MM having told Tracey that MM had told her she had killed her brother in a phone call?
the reason for my question is curiosity about how much time they had prior to Tracey's arrival. Also bearing in mind that Tracey would have been in severe shock herself and unfamiliar with local procedures in relation to sudden deaths.

Ive read so many articles today I can't find the specific one but as I recall she said she was informed her brother had died after hitting his head when Molly shoved him...

 

[Frizby]

Do you have the timeline for Tracey ariving in the USA? he died around 3am Sunday morning, there was an interval of several hours before his family was notified. I have seen it reported that the difference was 8 hrs and 10 hrs.
Remember in a report, a court record, possibly from the custody hearings? There was a reference to MM having told Tracey that MM had told her she had killed her brother in a phone call?
the reason for my question is curiosity about how much time they had prior to Tracey's arrival. Also bearing in mind that Tracey would have been in severe shock herself and unfamiliar with local procedures in relation to sudden deaths.

Definitely seen the 8 hour delay mentioned, seemingly it was just a quick call from SM. Pretty cold considering what actually happened. There was reference to her arriving two days after Jason died, so I suspect the Tuesday. Tracey was on holidays when she found out about Jason and she immediately flew back to Limerick and then onwards to the USA. She must have been both mentally & physically exhausted, the poor woman. In transit to the US, she found out that the Martens were making funeral arrangement so she hired a lawyer to stop this, she didn't want him buried or cremated in the US, she wanted him brought home. In transit, I also think she found out about the visit from Mike Earnest to Jason's office, reference was made that she contacted Jason's colleagues to let them know she was on her way.

It's quite awful to think that they were actually doing all of this with no consultation with his family. They were completely taking control without a bye or leave to the Corbetts. Imagine how dreadful it would have been if they had actually done it. I don't think they were expecting Tracey to arrive so soon. All this in itself shows their characters. We know from what Mike Earnest said that a memorial was happening on the Thursday (no idea however if this actually took place but I suspect not), so funeral the following day?? maybe, I don't know, not sure how the timeline is in the US as to how things like this are done. I don't think she actually spoke to MM, from what I can gather the call from SM about the death was made to Jason's brother, the one where it was said he died from a knock to the head following a fall during an argument with MM.

Edit - added in (no idea however if this actually took place but I suspect not)

 

[kittythehare]

I think it was in that same interview that the uncle said he was surprised by the indictments because the Martens had totally cooperated...yet he went on to say that they hadn't spoken to LE since September...perhaps they thought they had gotten away with it...

I got a strong sense that they had not been expecting those indictments at all, but its difficult to know whether that was just the lawyer waffling. But if they truly had not expected to be indicted it would be an indication of truly excellent police work. What do other people think about this?

 

[kittythehare]

Definitely seen the 8 hour delay mentioned, seemingly it was just a quick call from SM. Pretty cold considering what actually happened. There was reference to her arriving two days after Jason died, so I suspect the Tuesday. Tracey was on holidays when she found out about Jason and she immediately flew back to Limerick and then onwards to the USA. She must have been both mentally & physically exhausted, the poor woman. In transit to the US, she found out that the Martens were making funeral arrangement so she hired a lawyer to stop this, she didn't want him buried or cremated in the US, she wanted him brought home. In transit, I also think she found out about the visit from Mike Earnest to Jason's office, reference was made that she contacted Jason's colleagues to let them know she was on her way.

It's quite awful to think that they were actually doing all of this with no consultation with his family. They were completely taking control without a bye or leave to the Corbetts. We know from what Mike Earnest said that a memorial was happening on the Thursday, so funeral the following day?? maybe, I don't know, not sure how the timeline is in the US as to how things like this are done. I don't think she actually spoke to MM, from what I can gather the call from SM about the death was made to Jason's brother, the one where it was said he died from a knock to the head following a fall during an argument with MM.

God, am so shocked to learn she had to organise a lawyer at such an early stage, while in transit!!! They had at least 36hrs prior to her arrival and they went to arrange a funeral without consulting w/his next of kin or discussing dates, accommodation and all the other aspects of funerals. So very different in Ireland.. Wonder whether one of the US sleuths would know what is typical for NC, following a murder. There is not generally a sense of hurry from what I remember of other US cases, but there clearly was in this case? The document to which I referred re Tracey talking to Molly was not date specific, I either read it in the court transcript for the custody or it was mentioned as being an important factor in the case by a newspaper afterwards.
Still reeling from that info re funeral..and the miracle of Tracey finding superhuman resources to act with such presence of mind, just hours after learning of the loss of her much loved brother and friend. She is an amazing woman, she is always gentle and she totally lacks any airs of pretentiousness or malice.
If her brother was in any way akin to her the world was robbed of a truly lovely presence.