GUILTY NC - Jason Corbett, 39, murdered in his Wallburg home, 2 Aug 2015 #1

[Frizby]

I got a strong sense that they had not been expecting those indictments at all, but its difficult to know whether that was just the lawyer waffling. But if they truly had not expected to be indicted it would be an indication of truly excellent police work. What do other people think about this?

I have a feeling that the international exposure helped this case along, not taking anything from the police work as they are really digging, they seem to be doing an excellent job. It is hard to fathom that they thought this would all just go away with a little slap on the writ.

 

[Frizby]

God, am so shocked to learn she had to organise a lawyer at such an early stage, while in transit!!! They had at least 36hrs prior to her arrival and they went to arrange a funeral without consulting w/his next of kin or discussing dates, accommodation and all the other aspects of funerals. So very different in Ireland.. Wonder whether one of the US sleuths would know what is typical for NC, following a murder. There is not generally a sense of hurry from what I remember of other US cases, but there clearly was in this case? The document to which I referred re Tracey talking to Molly was not date specific, I either read it in the court transcript for the custody or it was mentioned as being an important factor in the case by a newspaper afterwards.
Still reeling from that info re funeral..and the miracle of Tracey finding superhuman resources to act with such presence of mind, just hours after learning of the loss of her much loved brother and friend. She is an amazing woman, she is always gentle and she totally lacks any airs of pretentiousness or malice.
If her brother was in any way akin to her the world was robbed of a truly lovely presence.

I know, that is exactly what I thought when I read it. She went practically non stop from I think it was France, to Limerick and then on to the US making phone calls while travelling and then being hit with the funeral stuff thus having to arrange a lawyer in transit. I think that is where the cremation being arranged for the day after death Chinese Whisper emanated from. I took my hat off to her when I read it, her conduct through all this has been impeccable.

 

[searchinGirl]

I got a strong sense that they had not been expecting those indictments at all, but its difficult to know whether that was just the lawyer waffling. But if they truly had not expected to be indicted it would be an indication of truly excellent police work. What do other people think about this?

Something else telling...at least IMO...is the sealed indictment over the Christmas holidays...I mean, somebody was saving somebody this whole tawdry mess from ruining their holidays...maybe it was for the benefit of those in LE, but I couldn't help but think Mr Martens was done a favor of sorts...

 

[kittythehare]

Something else telling...at least IMO...is the sealed indictment over the Christmas holidays...I mean, somebody was saving somebody this whole tawdry mess from ruining their holidays...maybe it was for the benefit of those in LE, but I couldn't help but think Mr Martens was done a favor of sorts...

Good point. Absolutely nobody else was set to benefit from the delay, yet had it been announced immediately it would possibly have been a great relief to the Guardians on their first Christmas. Surely they were entitled to at least that?

 

[searchinGirl]

Good point. Absolutely nobody else was set to benefit from the delay, yet had it been announced immediately it would possibly have been a great relief to the Guardians on their first Christmas. Surely they were entitled to at least that?

Please don't rule out the possibility that they were informed ... It happens...

 

[wildebeest]

God, am so shocked to learn she had to organise a lawyer at such an early stage, while in transit!!! They had at least 36hrs prior to her arrival and they went to arrange a funeral without consulting w/his next of kin or discussing dates, accommodation and all the other aspects of funerals. So very different in Ireland.. Wonder whether one of the US sleuths would know what is typical for NC, following a murder. There is not generally a sense of hurry from what I remember of other US cases, but there clearly was in this case? The document to which I referred re Tracey talking to Molly was not date specific, I either read it in the court transcript for the custody or it was mentioned as being an important factor in the case by a newspaper afterwards.
Still reeling from that info re funeral..and the miracle of Tracey finding superhuman resources to act with such presence of mind, just hours after learning of the loss of her much loved brother and friend. She is an amazing woman, she is always gentle and she totally lacks any airs of pretentiousness or malice.
If her brother was in any way akin to her the world was robbed of a truly lovely presence.

Here in the US, funerals can occur as soon as several days after a death, up to a week or ten days. There are many deciding factors, such as, do others need to travel a great distance to attend, or perhaps waiting for the weekend, so more people could come. My best guess, is around a week later. Maybe others can give their opinions, I certainly am not an expert.

 

[Electric Sheep]

Here in the US, funerals can occur as soon as several days after a death, up to a week or ten days. There are many deciding factors, such as, do others need to travel a great distance to attend, or perhaps waiting for the weekend, so more people could come. My best guess, is around a week later. Maybe others can give their opinions, I certainly am not an expert.

Jewish funerals are usually the day after the death unless delayed because of travel needs.

 

[searchinGirl]

Here in the US, funerals can occur as soon as several days after a death, up to a week or ten days. There are many deciding factors, such as, do others need to travel a great distance to attend, or perhaps waiting for the weekend, so more people could come. My best guess, is around a week later. Maybe others can give their opinions, I certainly am not an expert.

My mom died there in Winston-Salem and was cremated and interred in three days...several people flew in from within the US...many relatives lived in NC...like most deaths, it all happened so fast...

 

[kittythehare]

Jewish funerals are usually the day after the death unless delayed because of travel needs.

I am guessing that Jason was Catholic. I am unsure of Martens' religion(s), but while searching through US media reports for an original article with new or useful information, mostly unsuccessfully, I happened to notice that quite a few Jewish newspapers had published the story and this is unusual in my experience of searching. I wondered whether there was a connection or a reason why ?

 

[Frizby]

Remember in a report, a court record, possibly from the custody hearings? There was a reference to MM having told Tracey that MM had told her she had killed her brother in a phone call?

Actually I do recall that being reported, not idea when the call happened but I definitely remember it now. I think it was something that came out in the custody battle as you say so must must have been in August sometime.

 

[Hotchips]

Is the full court transcript for the custody hearings available to read/download or was only certain aspects of it released to the press?

 

[sshhh!]

Actually I do recall that being reported, not idea when the call happened but I definitely remember it now. I think it was something that came out in the custody battle as you say so must must have been in August sometime.

I'm pretty sure I read this in an Irish Independent or evoke.ie article, and I also think this is why the Corbett's have claimed a cover up of sorts. SM said JC fell and banged his head, MM told TL that she herself killed JC and then Tom Martens claims that it was he who killed him. Someone is lying.

 

[Electric Sheep]

I am guessing that Jason was Catholic. I am unsure of Martens' religion(s), but while searching through US media reports for an original article with new or useful information, mostly unsuccessfully, I happened to notice that quite a few Jewish newspapers had published the story and this is unusual in my experience of searching. I wondered whether there was a connection or a reason why ?

That is interesting! Can you remember which papers? I'm quite surprised how little coverage of this case there is in the mainstream US media. It has all the hallmarks of a case that would be media gold.

 

[Frizby]

I'm pretty sure I read this in an Irish Independent or evoke.ie article, and I also think this is why the Corbett's have claimed a cover up of sorts. SM said JC fell and banged his head, MM told TL that she herself killed JC and then Tom Martens claims that it was he who killed him. Someone is lying.

They must be dizzy with all this spin, the truth will catch up with them. It's a shame that this case is not really being reported in the US, all the reporting seems to be on this side of the pond with the exceptions of a couple of local media. Is this normal for a case like this to not be reported in the US media? Have to say in Ireland, the Warrants, Autopsy Report, etc would not be released so the reporting, if an Irish case, would not be like this.

 

[kittythehare]

I dont recall, only that it was up to 6 or 7 different Jewish papers. (generally they dont buy block print so that is why it was unusual)
I did find quite a bit of us media coverage but it was clearly just bought print, published by one or other of the main print sellers, sold in blocks. was hoping to find some journalist even on a small county paper had taken a personal interest and investigated. I didnt find it.
Not so sure it will score so high in media ratings.. theres such a lot happening right now with the gops in full swing. But reading over other cases on this forum, I noticed the same. Media will swing out of a FED involved killing, for sure, but they are frequently silenced and gag orders lock them down. The opposite is also true, sometimes 'illicit' but accurate info is pre-released in an attempt to thwart justice and potential jurors. I see no evidence of either here so far.. think its worth looking into Tm counterintelligence consulting work and that particular company.. something rang a bell when I saw it, but I didnt get a chance to investigate in any detail. Kinda going blind a bit from all the diverse pieces of this jigsaw now and I could not guarantee I would see it if it was in front of me.
So, motive? If Tm the chief or only perp at this point, we need to figure what it is that rattled his cage to such an extent ? Its one thing to defend an alleged victim, quite a different thing to smash their skull to such an extent that one wonders whether some of these blows could have been struck post mortem? Each one was capable of causing death, yet there were far too many..
Even MM motive? If state law is that DV is grounds for taking the children from the rightful parent, why did she not just run with that one and invent a story for her divorce lawyers? She is not uneducated. Jason was a non national and she would probably have been capable of creating an effective narrative.
Was the desperation to have the children even real? Or a media farce? It looked like a carefully orchestrated campaign, right down to the public photos of the childrens' designer clothes displayed on a bed??? A circus to prove she was a loving step-mother.. when the evidence we discussed already today suggests the woman was totally incapable of either empathy or sympathy at any level.

 

[wildebeest]

I don't really think there was a particular motive. I do think that something happened that night between MM and JC, and it became clear to MM that she was not going to be allowed to adopt the children. This had been an ongoing issue for her, and she was very determined to get her way. After all, she usually did, didn't she? I think she was so angry, that she went into a rage, and struck Jason, once he had gone to bed. :twocents:

IMHO

 

[kittythehare]

I don't really think there was a particular motive. I do think that something happened that night between MM and JC, and it became clear to MM that she was not going to be allowed to adopt the children. This had been an ongoing issue for her, and she was very determined to get her way. After all, she usually did, didn't she? I think she was so angry, that she went into a rage, and struck Jason, once he had gone to bed. :twocents:

IMHO

A whole other possibility is that the argument was between Jason and TM?
Remember the radio interview w/the lawyer that we discussed, he admitted they were considering divorce at the end of the tape. If that was not another red herring, why would they even have been sharing a bedroom? it looked like a big house.
By now all those blows will have been analysed by the forensic scientists. They will know exactly how much force was required from an exact height and weight to do the damage they did with the weapons they used. It can be measured to the nth degree. By now they will know exactly struck each blow. They will know who actually inflicted the blow that killed him-blunt force trauma. I'm just beginning to wonder whether this information has only recently become available to them? I would have considered it to be a matter of course to have pulled his work records as part of the earlier stage of the investigation, the fact that theres been an actual announcement from the prosecutor may well suggest something new and major have been unearthed. Why the announcement and why today? 9its also possible someone has copped a guilty plea in an effort to avoid a court hearing?

 

[Francesca]

Posting for the first time, after spending a few hours reading through this forum. I have been fascinated by this case and so I'm very glad to find a place where it is discussed so thoroughly.
A few things: I have seen that Mona Earnest, among others, is one of the Martens relatives sharing photos of the Corbett children on FB. Unlike Molly and her mother, she is keeping her FB page open for comments, so the Corbett family and representatives are strenuously asking her to remove the public cover photo of herself and her husband (the same FBI uncle who has spoken on Molly's behalf and searched Jason's office after his death) with the children in front of a Christmas tree. Significantly, the photo was only shared late in 2015, but surely any Christmas photos with the kids would have been from 2014 or earlier? The caption of the photo says that Mona and her husband are with their "great-niece and great-nephew". Yesterday, I saw that someone from the Corbett family put an extremely legal post on the FB page about how the page was being investigated for child endangerment, and asking people to comment saying where they had seen other photos of the children. That post has now been removed, yet the Earnest family is leaving up other messages from the Corbett family. I think they are purposely taunting the Corbetts with this page so they can save any malicious messages. However, even the worst messages (while inappropriate) don't come close to what they are doing by violating the childrens' privacy and taunting a grieving family. So I don't see how this will work in the Martens' favour, but it seems like the only reason they are putting these photos out there and encouraging messages is to present the Corbetts as trolls.

Secondly, after reading through your evidence and speculation, I have come up with my own hypothesis - speculation only... I think we have a couple where the husband is undramatic and likes to smooth over any altercation, and a wife who is highly dramatic and confrontational, and she becomes especially frantic when she feels she's losing control. On Friday night, she taunts him once too often, so he quietly tweaks his travel plans. The next night after their casual get-together, they have some other confrontation and he announces that he's leaving for Ireland with the children - nothing to argue about any more, their marriage is over. He goes to bed at about 10pm, she's awake and fuming. She calls her parents and raises the alarm that something terrible has happened; they jump in the car and start the 4.5 hour journey to her place. She is still so angry and frantic that she goes to wherever the kids are staying and hauls them back home at 11pm. Once the kids are settled and asleep again, she is still pacing and fuming, alone in the house and getting angrier. Meanwhile Jason is still asleep until approximately 2am, when maybe he wakes up to go to the toilet. He's groggy and disoriented, not properly awake and she hears him and goes into the bedroom to attack him with the baseball bat. Once he falls to the floor, she keeps beating at him with the stone. By the time her parents arrive (approx 2.30 am), either she is still savagely attacking him or has only just stopped. Her parents take in the situation, and realize the attack is so savage, the only "excuse" could be self-defense, and it will sound better if they say the father did it. It takes them half an hour to get their story straight and ensure Jason is truly dead, and then the father calls the police. The mother disappears into a spare bedroom to lend credence to the idea that they were staying over.

 

[stmarysmead]

I don't believe that the Martens received any special treatment. If we follow enough cases here in the USA, we learn that these investigations are far from the TV show ideal. These police forces often have strained budgets and reduced manpower. The coroners office, the state labs, forensics, etc can be severely back logged.
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In this case, the public was in no danger. The killers had confessed. The only thing to solve is whether their story fit the crime scene details.

I think once LE saw that outdid NOT...they have gone into high gear.when the trial starts, there will be more interest.


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[wildebeest]

Welcome, Francesca! Glad you are here. Very thought provoking, your scenario. Love reading everyone's opinion.

:welcome4: