GUILTY NC - Johnny Marlowe for circumcising newborn sons, Kings Creek, 2008

[southcitymom]

I was instructed to do this regularly with my son by his Pediatrician. The Doctor seemed concerned when it would not retract at one point (he made sure he got it where it would by using some gel in his office.) I would ask your Doc about it instead of letting it go.

South, why would they say not to retract it during childhood as it does need to be kept clean under the folds...especially when they are wearing diapers?

Seriously - all my info comes from uncut Europeans and their docs and they all say - leave it be - there is no need to pull the foreskin of a young child back to clean it (though many American doctors give this advice because they don't have as much experince with uncut penises and because we think we need to clean the heck out of everything over here). If you retract it before it is ready - it will tear - and that's where problems and infections start.

The skin will start to retract naturally as the child matures. We've never touched our sons's foreskins - I do tell them to soap up in the shower, but no more than a cut male would do - and there's no odor, dirt, weirdness, problems. It's just a piece of skin. Again - most men on the planet are uncut and don't do anything special to it as kids and everything turns out fine.

ETA - My American doc actually told us to pull the foreskin back of our tiny sons and clean it, and my husband and his Dad (a doctor) said "Rubbish!" I decided to listen to the men who've been dealing with uncut penises for generations.

 

[southcitymom]

I don't mind answering that. My youngest was born premature and he was immediately air lifted to another hospital where he stayed for weeks. After his stay there, he was transferred back to the hospital in my city. During all of this, we didn't think to ask about circumcision. When we did finally ask them about it, the doctor said he was past the age where he would do it and we would have to wait until he was a year old. When that time came, I just couldn't bring myself to have him put to sleep and put through that pain. Big mistake, because now he is 5 and having problems and may have to be circumcised this summer.

I'm sorry your youngest is having these problems, teons :blowkiss: - it is much harder to have the surgery when a boy is older. Considering what you were going through at the time, I am sure circumcision was the very last thing on your mind.

 

[Filly]

I swear I've never in my life have heard of "Metzitzah b'peh:" And to be honest I'm not sure whether State can step in or not, and I'm not exactly sure how to find out either.

What? LOL If you never heard of it then you know I am clueless. Sorry if I sent ya on a hunt, Paddy. It's quite sad, but I am sorry when I read your post I laughed. Of course about your Super Paddy Powers. Not the babies or the man who performed that ummmm, ceremony.

 

[Kymistry35]

I'm sorry your youngest is having these problems, teons :blowkiss: - it is much harder to have the surgery when a boy is older. Considering what you were going through at the time, I am sure circumcision was the very last thing on your mind.

Thanks SCM. Thankfully, besides being tiny, he is now healthy.

 

[GlitchWizard]

Having no penis of my own, this is second hand informatin about the pulling back the foreskin of an uncircumcised penis of a baby...

I have a friend whose parents did not bathe him like this and his foreskin grew together at the head of the penis, causing a pocket to form between the folds of the skin and infections to set in. As an adult, he took a knife into the bathtub and performed this hatchet job on himself because he's a gay man and other gay men would recoil at his funny penis. Now it's scarred, and he blames his parents.

 

[paddy01]

What? LOL If you never heard of it then you know I am clueless. Sorry if I sent ya on a hunt, Paddy. It's quite sad, but I am sorry when I read your post I laughed. Of course about your Super Paddy Powers. Not the babies or the man who performed that ummmm, ceremony.

OT: No, the hunt is good and I love it. Even at my age I enjoy learning something new and interesting. I never want to be like some people who absolutely know everything there is to know or think they do!

 

[imthemom]

Oh had to jump in on this one. My son who is 9 is not circumcised nor is my husband or my uncle and they have never had any problems. We decided not to because we just thought it unecessary to put him through pain for cosmetic reasons. He has never had an infection and the skin has come back on its own just like the doc said it would.

 

[GlitchWizard]

Oh had to jump in on this one. My son who is 9 is not circumcised nor is my husband or my uncle and they have never had any problems. We decided not to because we just thought it unecessary to put him through pain for cosmetic reasons. He has never had an infection and the skin has come back on its own just like the doc said it would.

What do you mean the skin has come back on it's own? You mean without specifically moving it to wash it? (Pardon my ignorance, I have a girl!)

 

[imthemom]

What do you mean the skin has come back on it's own? You mean without specifically moving it to wash it? (Pardon my ignorance, I have a girl!)

Yes the skin is just smooth, he doesn't have a lot of skin hanging over the top part and when he gets in the bath and things you know, there is no extra skin, wow trying to explain this is quite difficult, LOL.

That being said I have a 16 yo cousin who was a premie and was no circ and he wanted to be because all the other boys in school were so when he was 12 he had it done and it hurt way more than he expected.

 

[Filly]

OT: No, the hunt is good and I love it. Even at my age I enjoy learning something new and interesting. I never want to be like some people who absolutely know everything there is to know or think they do!

OT as well: Naw, you are gracious with your knowledge and your quest to keep learning is cool. This warrants one of my fave sayings. "SMART IS SMART". LOL So, what do we know about this religious ceremony that brings with it herpes? Maybe I best not know. BTW, I know this is not the case in all Bris's?

 

[GlitchWizard]

Yes the skin is just smooth, he doesn't have a lot of skin hanging over the top part and when he gets in the bath and things you know, there is no extra skin, wow trying to explain this is quite difficult, LOL.

That being said I have a 16 yo cousin who was a premie and was no circ and he wanted to be because all the other boys in school were so when he was 12 he had it done and it hurt way more than he expected.

I'll bet in hindsight he's thinking he should have KNOWN, though. That's how I felt when I got a piercing in a private area. I didn't know it would hurt that bad... but really, it's a "duh" in 20/20 hindsight.

 

[Rayemonde]

October 2009:

A father who admitted that he circumcised his infant son with a box cutter was convicted of misdemeanor child abuse and sentenced yesterday to 150 days in prison...

Amber Marlowe testified that one of the young boys bled for nearly 11 hours after Marlowe performed his circumcision. Marlowe admitted he had no formal training, and gained most of his knowledge about the procedure from watching videos on the Internet.
Marlowe, the father of 14 children, testified Wednesday that he also circumcised himself. "God, the Holy Spirit pressed me to do this," he said. "When God presses something on you to do it, you do it."

http://www.journalnow.com/news/stat...cle_84e8d416-9f5a-5cb0-ac10-351c4d7fff4a.html

 

[Rayemonde]

May 2009:

The jury only deliberated less than 10 minutes before returning a guilty verdict against 33-year-old Johnny Marlowe. He was convicted on all seven charges of abusing his wife, Amber Marlowe, and another woman who he treated as a second wife, Sarah Fleming

The charges ranged from assault with a deadly weapon to first-degree kidnapping. The women said they were stoned, chained to a toilet and beaten. Fleming said Marlowe threatened to kill her and her children.

http://m.wsoctv.com/news/news/accused-polygamist-found-guilty-of-abusing-women/nG2rc/

 

[MS926]

Hi, I would just like to inform you that you are incorrect. He didn't take them to the hospital because he didn't want to. He was crazy.

 

[MS926]

OMG, he has 2 "wives" and a total of 11 children with them. Is he Morman, what's going on here? Is he trying to birth a cult?

As his daughter I can truthfully answer this question. Yes, he was.

 

[Kaymarlowe]

I'm confused. Did the boys develop an infection? I see it as no difference than when Moyel does it.

Circumcision is either abusive or it isn't

There is a big difference in what a Moyle does and what he did! Take it from me, Kay Marlowe, I was there. I am his oldest daughter and I remember it like it was yesterday. My brother almost bled out. For 15 hours I didn't know whether or not he was going to live! A Moyle is trained, a professional. He was an abusive prick. What the news doesn't tell you is how abusive he was.