GUILTY NC - Johnny Marlowe for circumcising newborn sons, Kings Creek, 2008

[southcitymom]

It's not always a cosmetic procedure. I have known lots of men and boys who had to have it done because of medical issues caused by an uncircumcised penis. My father had to have his done in his 40's and my sister's uncle in law had his done last week. A friend of mine had to have her son done at 4 years old. I have three boys who are circumcised and one who isn't. The one who isn't gets infections and irritation around the tip of his penis and the foreskin is so tight that he can't pull it back to clean it well. And men who are circumcised don't catch sexually transmitted diseases as quickly.

I hear you, teons. I still believe that it is a cosmetic procedure when done at 1 day old. I also believe that the most recent data we have about it shows that there's no overwhelming medical reason to have it done at birth - or any other time unless you are having problems that would warrant it.

There is no medical reason for routine infant circumcision and no national medical association anywhere in the world recommends it. That tells me a lot.

Some uncut men have the issues you describe, but the majority do not. Some cut men have issues with their penises, but the majority do not. We need to remember that most men on the planet are not circumcised and they do just fine. I'm sorry your little guy has had problems with his. Neither of mine have had anything major.

Foreskin doesn't require any special care. It should not be retracted during childhood. As the boy grows up, I promise he will discover when it is retractable and give it due attention and care.

Here's an interesting article by Dr. Sears dispelling some of the myths about circumcision that are out there. http://askdrsears.com/html/1/t012000.asp

 

[Kymistry35]

His doctor recommended that it be pulled back and cleansed with warm water because it seems to get irritated so often, but it will not retract.

 

[paddy01]

THis is interesting regarding law in New York and what could be done considering an infant died from herpes after it was contracted from this moyel. The infants twin got it as well and another child did as well. Can the State step in when an infant dies from a religious practice. Yes, I know this is not all moyels. These folks are Orthodox.http://volokh.com/posts/1125345741.shtml

Oh thank you so much for this post Filly , I will search for information
because now I need to know!

 

[southcitymom]

His doctor recommended that it be pulled back and cleansed with warm water because it seems to get irritated so often, but it will not retract.

I know that some boys do have to have circumcision later due to this issue. I wonder if your guy will have to go through that. One of the foreskin's jobs is to protect the super-sensitive glans from irritation, so it's a shame if it causes irritation.

My boys are 5 and 7, and I have no idea if their foreskin retracts or not. That's DH's department, and he (and his father, a doctor) just tells me no care is needed and it will all work out! So far, so good.

 

[paddy01]

THis is interesting regarding law in New York and what could be done considering an infant died from herpes after it was contracted from this moyel. The infants twin got it as well and another child did as well. Can the State step in when an infant dies from a religious practice. Yes, I know this is not all moyels. These folks are Orthodox.http://volokh.com/posts/1125345741.shtml

I swear I've never in my life have heard of "Metzitzah b'peh:" And to be honest I'm not sure whether State can step in or not, and I'm not exactly sure how to find out either.

 

[southcitymom]

I swear I've never in my life have heard of "Metzitzah b'peh:" And to be honest I'm not sure whether State can step in or not, and I'm not exactly sure how to find out either.

Similar to - can the state step in when someone withholds medical care from an ailing child due to religious convictions? I do not know the most current laws regarding these issues, but it's an interesting discussion.

 

[paddy01]

Similar to - can the state step in when someone withholds medical care from an ailing child due to religious convictions? I do not know the most current laws regarding these issues, but it's an interesting discussion.

scm, did you read the link that Filly posted? If not please do, I am interested in what you think. Also, have you ever heard of this
practice of "Metzitzah b'peh:?

 

[southcitymom]

scm, did you read the link that Filly posted? If not please do, I am interested in what you think. Also, have you ever heard of this
practice of "Metzitzah b'peh:?

I did read it - and no, paddy, I had never heard of such a tradition. It strikes me as extremely bizarre, of course, and it is heartbreaking that a child died as a result - which I am sure was no one's intention.

This mohel http://www.emoil.com/lifeordeath.htm says that many Jewish families don't know that the average non-Chasidic Orthodox mohels do not practice this ceremony.

This NY case has, understandably, caused quite some unrest in the community.

 

[MeoW333]

THis is interesting regarding law in New York and what could be done considering an infant died from herpes after it was contracted from this moyel. The infants twin got it as well and another child did as well. Can the State step in when an infant dies from a religious practice. Yes, I know this is not all moyels. These folks are Orthodox.http://volokh.com/posts/1125345741.shtml

OMG that's disgusting!! Some man would suck on the baby's penis after the circumscion? That's child abuse if you ask me. How do they find a sicko who would even want to do that??! Humans are so germy that wouldn't be clean despite the moral debate of it.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

His doctor recommended that it be pulled back and cleansed with warm water because it seems to get irritated so often, but it will not retract.

I was instructed to do this regularly with my son by his Pediatrician. The Doctor seemed concerned when it would not retract at one point (he made sure he got it where it would by using some gel in his office.) I would ask your Doc about it instead of letting it go.

South, why would they say not to retract it during childhood as it does need to be kept clean under the folds...especially when they are wearing diapers?

 

[dee10134]

It's not always a cosmetic procedure. I have known lots of men and boys who had to have it done because of medical issues caused by an uncircumcised penis. My father had to have his done in his 40's and my sister's uncle in law had his done last week. A friend of mine had to have her son done at 4 years old. I have three boys who are circumcised and one who isn't. The one who isn't gets infections and irritation around the tip of his penis and the foreskin is so tight that he can't pull it back to clean it well. And men who are circumcised don't catch sexually transmitted diseases as quickly.

An STD is an STD. I don't think the presence (or lack) of foreskin has any merit in determining the "speed" of acquiring an STD. I would love to see a medical study that proves or disproves this statement.

I do know that uncircumcised men are more likely to pass YEAST INFECTIONS to their partners, but that is NOT an STD.

 

[White Rain]

An STD is an STD. I don't think the presence (or lack) of foreskin has any merit in determining the "speed" of acquiring an STD. I would love to see a medical study that proves or disproves this statement.

I do know that uncircumcised men are more likely to pass YEAST INFECTIONS to their partners, but that is NOT an STD.

Actually she's right. I typed it into google and got alot of answers, most pointing towards Teon's way of thinking.
Male Circumcision may offer another tactic in combating HIV
Uncircumcised men are at 8 times the risk of being infected with HIV-1 compared with those
who are circumcised, according to a large study of Indian men, which is being presented at the
41st Annual Meeting of the Infectious Diseases Society of America.
* Circumcised men have an 8-fold reduction in risk of being infected with HIV-1, compared to
uncircumcised men, according to a large study of Indian men. http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:we-dkRXA7iMJ:www.global-campaign.org/clientfiles/GCnews28.pdf.pdf+do+uncircumcised+men+catch+Stds+more+easily%3F&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us


another:

Circumcision appears to reduce a man’s risk of contracting AIDS from heterosexual sex by half, United States government health officials said yesterday, and the directors of the two largest funds for fighting the disease said they would consider paying for circumcisions in high-risk countries.
The announcement was made by officials of the National Institutes of Health as they halted two clinical trials, in Kenya and Uganda, on the ground that not offering circumcision to all the men taking part would be unethical. The success of the trials confirmed a study done last year in South Africa. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/14/health/14hiv.html

And another:

Studies have indicated that uncircumcised men have a higher incidence of AIDS, syphilis, and other sexually transmitted diseases than circumcised men, and it has been speculated that the foreskin might allow viruses and other microorganisms to survive longer on the skin and thus give the organisms more time to enter the body.
http://www.britannica.com/bps/topic...ircumcision -- Britannica Online Encyclopedia

 

[Kymistry35]

Thanks WhiteRain. I was going to post something to back myself up so people wouldn't think I was making it up, lol.

 

[Elphaba]

He's in a triad relationship... polygamy IS illegal, but polyamory is alive and well and very much legal... a triad just can't marry. I do know of a triad... all 3 are highly respected in their neighborhood, hold executive jobs with the state, and are very law abiding citizens that cause no one any trouble. They just happen to have a different kind of relationship in their home. So, not everyone in a multi-personal relationship are criminals that neglect their kids like this jerk did.

 

[White Rain]

Thanks WhiteRain. I was going to post something to back myself up so people wouldn't think I was making it up, lol.

No problem. I thought I had heard this myself somewhere anyway.

 

[dee10134]

Actually she's right. I typed it into google and got alot of answers, most pointing towards Teon's way of thinking.
Male Circumcision may offer another tactic in combating HIV
Uncircumcised men are at 8 times the risk of being infected with HIV-1 compared with those
who are circumcised, according to a large study of Indian men, which is being presented at the
41st Annual Meeting of the Infectious Diseases Society of America.
* Circumcised men have an 8-fold reduction in risk of being infected with HIV-1, compared to
uncircumcised men, according to a large study of Indian men. http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cach...ch+Stds+more+easily?&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us


another:

Circumcision appears to reduce a man’s risk of contracting AIDS from heterosexual sex by half, United States government health officials said yesterday, and the directors of the two largest funds for fighting the disease said they would consider paying for circumcisions in high-risk countries.
The announcement was made by officials of the National Institutes of Health as they halted two clinical trials, in Kenya and Uganda, on the ground that not offering circumcision to all the men taking part would be unethical. The success of the trials confirmed a study done last year in South Africa. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/14/health/14hiv.html

And another:

Studies have indicated that uncircumcised men have a higher incidence of AIDS, syphilis, and other sexually transmitted diseases than circumcised men, and it has been speculated that the foreskin might allow viruses and other microorganisms to survive longer on the skin and thus give the organisms more time to enter the body.
http://www.britannica.com/bps/topic/118439/circumcision#tab=active~checked%2Citems~checked%3E%2Fbps%2Ftopic%2F118439%2Fcircumcision&title=circumcision%20--%20Britannica%20Online%20Encyclopedia

None of those refer to how FAST someone acquires an STD. She was referring to SPEED, not increased risk of STD's.

Either way, if you're not in a completely monogamous relationship, it's always a good idea to wear a condom.

 

[Kymistry35]

None of those refer to how FAST someone acquires an STD. She was referring to SPEED, not increased risk of STD's.

Either way, if you're not in a completely monogamous relationship, it's always a good idea to wear a condom.

I was actually referring to the higher risk, I guess I worded it badly.

 

[White Rain]

I was actually referring to the higher risk, I guess I worded it badly.

Well, I understood what you meant anyway. :crazy:

 

[White Rain]

I was actually referring to the higher risk, I guess I worded it badly.

If I'm not being too nosy here, and tell me if I am, can I ask why you had three of your boys circumsized but one of them you decided not too?
Do you have any girls? I have 4 girls, no boys.

 

[Kymistry35]

If I'm not being too nosy here, and tell me if I am, can I ask why you had three of your boys circumsized but one of them you decided not too?
Do you have any girls? I have 4 girls, no boys.

I don't mind answering that. My youngest was born premature and he was immediately air lifted to another hospital where he stayed for weeks. After his stay there, he was transferred back to the hospital in my city. During all of this, we didn't think to ask about circumcision. When we did finally ask them about it, the doctor said he was past the age where he would do it and we would have to wait until he was a year old. When that time came, I just couldn't bring myself to have him put to sleep and put through that pain. Big mistake, because now he is 5 and having problems and may have to be circumcised this summer.