NC - Keith Scott, 43, killed by LEO, Charlotte, 20 Sept 2016 #1

[Tawny]

And how can you end funding for a police department, but then have a civilian oversight board for the police department?

Exactly. Ask for de-funding, "settle" for civilian oversight. Negotiation 101.

 

[bluesneakers]

Aside from asking for ******ing, the officers names, and dropping of charges/release, the rest is reasonable and necessary in ALL police departments, if you ask me.

"If you want a kitten, ask for a pony." They know some of that is unreasonable, I'm sure. So they asked for more to get what they need/want. Interesting turn of events.

ETA: ******

Negotiations gotta start somewhere.

 

[ohreally]

If the family tries to get money for this I hope the city doesn't pay and allows it to go to a jury civil trial. IMO cities need to stop making these huge payouts that they can win with a jury trial.

 

[katydid23]

And how can you end funding for a police department, but then have a civilian oversight board for the police department?

You 'fund' the civilian review board, and allow them to make the budget for the emasculated police force. They want the cops to have to go to BLM to get their pay...And you 'fund' the victims families while you are at it.

 

[Tawny]

If the family tries to get money for this I hope the city doesn't pay and allows it to go to a jury civil trial. IMO cities need to stop making these huge payouts that they can win with a jury trial.

I hope they do get a payout. There are so many ways to deescalate without deadly force and it appears from what I can tell they used none before opening fire.

 

[Tawny]

You 'fund' the civilian review board, and allow them to make the budget for the emasculated police force. And you 'fund' the victims families while you are at it.

BBM How is it emasculated to have an outside agency available to keep everything above board?

What's funny is that what you said is a HUGE part of the police brutality problem.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Sitting in his truck, getting high, while armed with a gun, is not what a father should do, while waiting for his son's school bus.

He was not shot for no reason. He was shot because he would not drop his weapon. A cop does not have to put themselves in a deadly, dangerous position in order to allow a threat to their own lives, just because someone they are trying to detain does not want to put down their own weapon.

The only way people can say this was an unjustified police shooting is to claim that they shot Scott for no reason, ignoring the facts as we know them to be. Not dropping the gun after repeated commands is justification. What did Scott intend to do with a gun in his hand?

Waiting for Scott to fire his gun was not an option. JMO

 

[katydid23]

Exactly. Ask for de-funding, "settle" for civilian oversight. Negotiation 101.

And the way they are acting, in public, throwing bottles at police, jumping on people's cars, setting fires, looting, blocking traffic and freeways, ---not making a good case for them being an 'over sight' panel.

They loudly proclaim things which are factually inaccurate. Like he had no gun, only a book. And the cops shot the protester, not a civilian. Who wants to put them in charge when they so loudly proclaim such nonsense?

 

[Tawny]

And the way they are acting, in public, throwing bottles at police, jumping on people's cars, setting fires, looting, blocking traffic and freeways, ---not making a good case for them being an 'over sight' panel.

They loudly proclaim things which are factually inaccurate. Like he had no gun, only a book. And the cops shot the protester, not a civilian. Who wants to put them in charge when they so loudly proclaim such nonsense?

Who said the people protesting would be the over sight panel?

 

[bluesneakers]

I hope they do get a payout. There are so many ways to deescalate without deadly force and it appears from what I can tell they used none before opening fire.

I do too, though I hate how a million dollar check is the best substitute we can get for justice.

 

[Tawny]

The only way people can say this was an unjustified police shooting is to claim that they shot Scott for no reason, ignoring the facts as we know them to be. Not dropping the gun after repeated commands is justification. What did Scott intend to do with a gun in his hand?

Waiting for Scott to fire his gun was not an option. JMO

I can say it because to my knowledge they didn't use any other methods for de-escalating the situation before using deadly force. Bean bags? Tazers? Talking to the man instead of screaming at him?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

It's hard for me to take the protesters demands seriously with all of the ridiculous things in it. JMO.

 

[katydid23]

I can say it because to my knowledge they didn't use any other methods for de-escalating the situation before using deadly force. Bean bags? Tazers? Talking to the man instead of screaming at him?

ARE YOU SERIOUS? The cops were not polite enough?

 

[Tawny]

It's hard for me to take the protesters demands seriously with all of the ridiculous things in it. JMO.

Then you clearly don't know much about negotiating for what you want. If you want a raise, you negotiate for higher than you really want, and "settle" for something in the middle. Get it?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I can say it because to my knowledge they didn't use any other methods for de-escalating the situation before using deadly force. Bean bags? Tazers? Talking to the man instead of screaming at him?

They did talk to him, repeatedly. Drop the gun. Scott wasn't interested in deescalating the situation. It's not a one way street. JMO.

 

[katydid23]

Distraction technique. Not falling for that.

Not distraction. Totally on point. This movement has proven itself to be irrational and out of line. Putting them in charge is not the answer.

 

[Tawny]

ARE YOU SERIOUS? The cops were not polite enough?

Yep, I'm pretty serious. Please, do enlighten me on the techniques they used to try to keep from having to kill this man who may or may not have mental disabilities? Even if he doesn't, did they do ANYTHING before resorting to deadly force?

 

[ohreally]

BBM How is it emasculated to have an outside agency available to keep everything above board?

What's funny is that what you said is a HUGE part of the police brutality problem.

Isn't the DOJ an outside agency? Isn't one of their jobs to police the police?

 

[Tawny]

They did talk to him, repeatedly. Drop the gun. Scott wasn't interested in deescalating the situation. It's not a one way street. JMO.

It absolutely is. They are PEACE officers. Civilians can be out of control and unruly, and if they only tactic is to shoot to kill, then every drunk a-hole outside a bar is in for a load of trouble.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Then you clearly don't know much about negotiating for what you want. If you want a raise, you negotiate for higher than you really want, and "settle" for something in the middle. Get it?

You can tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. It doesn't bother me at all. I'm simply voicing my opinion about the protesters ridiculous demands.