NC - Keith Scott, 43, killed by LEO, Charlotte, 20 Sept 2016 #1

[Tawny]

Right. I agree the team did it. What I question is why is one sports team basically firing him for voicing his views while other teams are saying their players have first admendment rights. It seems to me to be a double standard. Sports teams are all for protesting the flag, but speak out on the other side and you get suspended. Just my view.

He called an entire group of people animals. It's up to the team to determine what they feel is acceptable.

 

[Safeguard]

As long as it takes to save a life. Were they not behind cover? They were, clearly by the video. BTDT next.

I don't think it's wise to go down the "making it personal" road.

Really? I've never BTDT. But I certainly have a lot of respect for those that have, and that's what seems to be appallingly absent from these confrontations. (and some of these posts!). JMO

 

[Caffeine]

It's politically incorrect to be white and have an opinion, don't you know?

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But it's not about race since it was a black cop shooting a black suspect...we have to push another agenda instead - Instead of all cops being racist, all cops are vigilantes.

 

[Tawny]

Really?

If you're gonna insist on trying to make it about me personally, I'll just go ahead and click that little ignore button.

 

[silverkitty]

Actually, I am ok with guns and marijuana in my neighborhood because both are legal. Said white guy would likely not be approached, whether the marijuana was legal or not. JMO.

I'm not the one who was gonna sit in my car and ignore someone rolling a blunt somewhere it's not a legal substance, so don't give me crud for that. That's on the officers, had they never seen the gun.

Guns are not legal for FELONS. What about that fact is so hard to understand?

Please. You are not a stupid person, nor have you been treated as one, insulted, or spoken to sarcastically. I have no doubt you understand what my reference to "ignoring the blunt" was about. The police were there undercover on another case. In the larger picture, the MJ was second to that. It only became a problem when they saw him handling the gun. If it was held in view of these strangers (cops), you can bet that neighbors, including kids, got a good look at it too, probably on a regular basis.

Congrats on the medical marijuana, if that's what you mean by legal. It's always fun to check out the crime stats surrounding that wonderful gift. Never have so many people been so ill so suddenly. It's such an open joke.

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[Tawny]

Guns are not legal for FELONS. What about that fact is so hard to understand?

Please. You are not a stupid person, nor have you been treated as one, insulted, or spoken to sarcastically. I have no doubt you understand what my reference to "ignoring the blunt" was about. The police were there undercover on another case. In the larger picture, the MJ was second to that. It only became a problem when they saw him handling the gun. If it was held in view of these strangers (cops), you can bet that neighbors, including kids, got a good look at it too, probably on a regular basis.

Congrats on the medical marijuana, if that's what you mean by legal. It's always fun to check out the crime stats surrounding that wonderful gift. Never have so many people been so ill so suddenly. It's such an open joke.

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What's hard to understand about the fact that they had no idea if he was a felon before approaching? They hadn't even asked his name that we know of. That's the nastiness of revealing criminal records after the fact, it somehow justifies actions taken before anyone could possibly have known about it.

 

[CARIIS]

OK

Dont respect cops

just saw the video

i can change my mind in this case, that does ot erase my feelings for LE.

That being said:

Cant see a gun

He has something in his hand

EIther he was urinating, or can totally get in the context of the whole mess, can see how LE felt threatened

Also audio they did try to "save" him, were trauamized by what just ocfcfurred.

As a clinician, on the other side, I cant help but ponder , how his impairment might be here - but from the cops perspective could be scary

Same time, they ended up killing someone that had had done nothing, it was there mistake to mess with him at all

where that take4s us clueless

a mess sad

 

[galiuro]

Many people might finally have some representation and power. IMO that's why people are so afraid of the organization. They're comfortable with the level of police brutality we have now - they don't care about the oppressed and systemic racism works in their favor so by all means, please keep the world as it is.

Not so many I don't think...has much less to do with police brutality and much more to do with their disregard for evidence and fact that has many worried...they NEVER walk back a lie, 'Hands up don't shoot' was the beginning of the end for me. Never walked that back, nope not ever. And I am going to leave this discussion at that as it will only serve to get the thread closed.

 

[drjones]

if the police are on their way to a bank robbery and see someone jaywalking they may just choose to continue on to the bank...

that is not something i would hold against them.

 

[Tawny]

if the police are on their way to a bank robbery and see someone jaywalking they may just choose to continue on to the bank...

that is not something i would hold against them.

But MJ is oh so so so very bad yet now being compared to jaywalking? Hm.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I only see his tennis shoes afterwards. It appears during the confrontation he is directly forward of where Scott is. jmo

Since cops were doing undercover surveillance I wonder when they saw he had a firearm if they called in or punched into their phone/computer his license plate number to know who they may be dealing with? Didn't he have violent crimes in his criminal background history? I had felt all along he more than likely did not have a legal right to possess a firearm legally.

Was he still on probation/parole for any of his convictions? The reason I asked, if so, he would know he may be going back to prison for being an ex-felon in possession of an illegal firearm. That charge alone can be a federally charged case beyond any probationary period he may have had to serve. That IS if he was on any kind of probation or parole.

I mentioned earlier that it will be interesting to see if they can trace down the background history on this particular weapon. For all we know, it may have been used in other crimes that are unsolved.

 

[drjones]

OK

Dont respect cops

just saw the video

i can change my mind in this case, that does ot erase my feelings for LE.

That being said:

Cant see a gun

He has something in his hand

EIther he was urinating, or can totally get in the context of the whole mess, can see how LE felt threatened

Also audio they did try to "save" him, were trauamized by what just ocfcfurred.

As a clinician, on the other side, I cant help but ponder , how his impairment might be here - but from the cops perspective could be scary

Same time, they ended up killing someone that had had done nothing, it was there mistake to mess with him at all

where that take4s us clueless

a mess sad

keep this in mind next time there is someone parked in front of your house getting high and "holding/playing with/loading" a gun (we dont know exactly why he had it out while in the car)

i know, i know, you are anti- all law enforcement, you would never need them for anything and would not call them. no snark here, i think this is your clearly stated position so im just letting you know that i understand your opinion in advance.

 

[Tillicum]

What's hard to understand about the fact that they had no idea if he was a felon before approaching? They hadn't even asked his name that we know of. That's the nastiness of revealing criminal records after the fact, it somehow justifies actions taken before anyone could possibly have known about it.

Is it possible they were able to get information from the plate number when they called for back up? Serious question IDK.

 

[Tawny]

Is it possible they were able to get information from the plate number when they called for back up? Serious question IDK.

It's possible. I'd think they'd have stated that, but maybe I'm wrong there. Wish they had made that clear from the jump if that were the case.

 

[Caffeine]

But MJ is oh so so so very bad yet now being compared to jaywalking? Hm.

The point is, marijuana is still illegal in NC. Maybe it's been decriminalized a bit, but still illegal nonetheless. So it the end it doesn't matter of it was "just some weed" or just some crystal meth, just some coke, just a few hundred tabs of Oxycontin...all illegal and all subject to varying degrees of criminal charges.

What next? It was just a 9mm? It only had a 10 round clip? He had the safety on?

 

[drjones]

But MJ is oh so so so very bad yet now being compared to jaywalking? Hm.

who said it was really bad? certainly not me.

it obviously wasnt considered a huge offense to officers as they chose to ignore it and continue on with their other business.

and thats why it wasnt the reason he was shot. if all he was doing was sitting there getting high he probably would have been left alone.

thats not to say that it isnt an offense that absolutely should be of concern to the police, is it your opinion that the police should just leave people alone if they are getting high in cars? not worried at all about them then driving while high?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

But it's not about race since it was a black cop shooting a black suspect...we have to push another agenda instead - Instead of all cops being racist, all cops are vigilantes.

Mr. Scott's brother sure seems to think it is all about race..........the evil white race according to him. He didn't rant against the black officer who actually shot and killed his brother.

 

[Tawny]

The point is, marijuana is still illegal in NC. Maybe it's been decriminalized a bit, but still illegal nonetheless. So it the end it doesn't matter of it was "just some weed" or just some crystal meth, just some coke, just a few hundred tabs of Oxycontin...all illegal and all subject to varying degrees of criminal charges.

What next? It was just a 9mm? It only had a 10 round clip? He had the safety on?

Look, I'm not the undercover officers who were going to CHOOSE not to pursue him on MJ charges before seeing the gun so I"m really not sure why I'M the one getting crud for it being "just marijuana." LOL

 

[oceanblueeyes]

who said it was really bad? certainly not me.

it obviously wasnt considered a huge offense to officers as they chose to ignore it and continue on with their other business.

and thats why it wasnt the reason he was shot. if all he was doing was sitting there getting high he probably would have been left alone.

thats not to say that it isnt an offense that absolutely should be of concern to the police, is it your opinion that the police should just leave people alone if they are getting high in cars? not worried at all about them then driving while high?

How close was all of this to a school? If close, what grades? tia

Undercover officers wouldn't want to blow their cover on just someone having MJ only.

 

[Tawny]

How close was all of this to a school? If close, what grades? tia

What does that matter considering they weren't going to pursue him for it before seeing the gun? They'd have let him go about his merry way, so the MJ doesn't even have any real relevance, IMO.