NC - Keith Scott, 43, killed by LEO, Charlotte, 20 Sept 2016 #1

[drjones]

Ok. The dash cam shows him backing up and then shot once he turned away to look at the officer on his right side.

It was very quick. He probably had no time to access the totality of the situation at that point.

he was being told to put they were police and to put the gun down before the video even starts, we can hear him told to put it down a dozen times on the videos released... he is only shot after almost a full minute has passed on the video.

 

[popsicle]

How would this not be "relevant?" Presumably, many of these players are POC, or, have friends/family members who are POC. I don't believe a person's ability to empathize or acknowledge the systematic racism and disparities in the policing of POC vs. whites has anything to do with the geographic locations of injustice that are now being witnessed and recorded. It's a nationwide issue; it could be any of these boys next time. This is a systemic, national problem in policing, consequently, there are going to be protests nation wide. Good for them.

Because this thread is about Keith Scott? Clarify with a mod maybe.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

You know what, these football players are so far removed from this situation, it's not even relevant. How about the reactions of the people who live in this neighborhood?

I agree! Because you get paid millions to throw a ball (or sit on the sidelines) does not make you a voice for others. Sit down (or kneel if you prefer) and shut up CK!

Too many people died for that flag that you disrespect.

If people respected authority as much as they idolize idiots such as this, we wouldn't have this issue.

JMO

 

[drjones]

A law prof from NC weighs in on the legality . His analysis may surprise some.

http://www.npr.org/2016/09/25/49539...th-carolina-apply-to-keith-lamont-scotts-case

doesnt surprise me at all, nor does it conradict anything i have said above, makes perfect sense.

 

[animlzrule]

Because this thread is about Keith Scott? Clarify with a mod maybe.

I believe you've misunderstood. The post is relevant, the OP's contention is dubious.

 

[DexterMorgan]

Seriously, whether he had time to assess the situation or not, he shouldn't have been in that situation to begin with. I'm truly confused by the thought process that ignores the fact he had a gun! He didn't listen. FFS

He probably carried a gun to protect himself from car jackings and killings. So maybe his first initial thought after getting spooked by undercover cops was to grab his gun.

Especially since there are plenty of cases where people pose as cops to do whatever.

Idk. But his brain disability may not have allowed him to respond like all of us at first.

But I'm not blaming the cops.

But I will state that either he was mentally bewildered at first or he looked like he wanted to simply get out of there. While being bewildered without remembering that he had a gun in hand. Jmo.

But yes. The shooting was justifiable. And protesters should vet cases more before going to the extremes. Jmo.

But I still think that Keith became shocked due to his disability and got scared as if he was an autistic adult or something. Jmo

Btw. I know he wasn't autistic. So please lets not go there. I just think he may have been a little more slower in acknowledging that situation at that point.

 

[bluesneakers]

He probably carried a gun to protect himself from car jackings and killings. So maybe his first initial thought after getting spooked by undercover cops was to grab his gun.

Especially since there are plenty of cases where people pose as cops to do whatever.

Idk. But his brain disability may not have allowed him to respond like all of us at first.

But I'm not blaming the cops.

But I will state that either he was mentally bewildered at first or he looked like he wanted to simply get out of there. While being bewildered without remembering that he had a gun in hand. Jmo.

But yes. The shooting was justifiable. And protesters should vet cases more before going to the extremes. Jmo.

But I still think that Keith became shocked due to his disability and got scared as if he was an autistic adult or something. Jmo

Btw. I know he wasn't autistic. So please lets not go there. I just think he may have been a little more slower in acknowledging that situation at that point.

Don't you think the protests now are bigger than the individual cases?

 

[animlzrule]

I agree! Because you get paid millions to throw a ball (or sit on the sidelines) does not make you a voice for others. Sit down (or kneel if you prefer) and shut up CK!

Too many people died for that flag that you disrespect.

If people respected authority as much as they idolize idiots such as this, we wouldn't have this issue.

JMO

And if people got as upset about systematic racism in policing as well as in society in general, maybe we wouldn't have high visibility people participating in peaceful yet powerful protesting, such as kneeling during the anthem. CK may not be able to speak for others (and I don't believe that is his aim) but he can certainly empathize and be angry about unequal justice in this country. I think that's something we all as citizens should be upset about. Flag worship seems rather irrelevant in the face of a country which doesn't respect it's own Constitution in regards to all of us being equals and being treated and policed as such.

 

[thistle]

& that's the most sad thing about this. What about the child who was getting off the bus? What about all of his kids, whether they're grown-up or not? I'm not assigning blame to anyone, but these are things that people should think about. No one among us wants kids to grow up without a parent.

 

[animlzrule]

Don't you think the protests now are bigger than the individual cases?

Yes, I think it's pretty clear that these protests are not exclusive to particular events. Police are going to be under well deserved scrutiny unless and until police culture in overhauled. I expect protests will continue regardless of any new questionable police interactions.

 

[bluesneakers]

How would this not be "relevant?" Presumably, many of these players are POC, or, have friends/family members who are POC. I don't believe a person's ability to empathize or acknowledge the systematic racism and disparities in the policing of POC vs. whites has anything to do with the geographic locations of injustice that are now being witnessed and recorded. It's a nationwide issue; it could be any of these boys next time. This is a systemic, national problem in policing, consequently, there are going to be protests nation wide. Good for them.

They have the public's attention and they're making a statement. If we're discussing police shootings and protests I think it's interesting to look at this new trend among athletes addressing the same issue.

And what about us? Are our opinions and actions irrelevant if we're not in Charlotte?

 

[Kimberlyd125]

And if people got as upset about systematic racism in policing as well as in society in general, maybe we wouldn't have high visibility people participating in peaceful yet powerful protesting, such as kneeling during the anthem. CK may not be able to speak for others (and I don't believe that is his aim) but he can certainly empathize and be angry about unequal justice in this country. I think that's something we all as citizens should be upset about. Flag worship seems rather irrelevant in the face of a country which doesn't respect it's own Constitution in regards to all of us being equals and being treated and policed as such.

We can agree to disagree.

There's no "flag worship" it's respect for what the flag stands for.

I respect the sacrifices of those who have fought FOR us much for than the opinions of someone who gets paid millions for throwing a ball.

You may think that's crazy. And that's ok. I don't apologize for it.

 

[Caffeine]

A law prof from NC weighs in on the legality . His analysis may surprise some.

http://www.npr.org/2016/09/25/49539...th-carolina-apply-to-keith-lamont-scotts-case

I'm not sure if this professor is aware, but he has a past felony conviction. That would immediately disqualify him from both a pistol purchase permit and a concealed carry permit. Even if he obtained the gun prior to a conviction, he would subsequently lose the right to own or possess it once he becomes a felon. I'm pretty sure that is federal law, regardless if it's explicitly implied in NC law.

The fact that he's in the commission of a crime (drug possession) doesn't help either.

His obvious method of carry wasn't open anyway, he had a concealed ankle holster, so I don't even understand how it's trying to be presented that he was open carrying. But regardless, every law I've seen disqualifies a felon from firearm possession....no exceptions, unless it's officially pardoned.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_North_Carolina

 

[animlzrule]

They have the public's attention and they're making a statement. If we're discussing police shootings and protests I think it's interesting to look at this new trend among athletes addressing the same issue.

And what about us? Are our opinions and actions irrelevant if we're not in Charlotte?

Empathy is in VERY short supply in this country. We do, however, have an overabundance of nationalism, white pride and racism. So....we've got that going for us...I guess?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Because this thread is about Keith Scott? Clarify with a mod maybe.

I see this kind of off topic posts frequently when it's clear that the LE shooting was justified. Posts about all sorts of LE wrong doing end up on a thread where all the evidence shows that LE did the right thing. JMO

 

[MIKAYOYO]

He probably carried a gun to protect himself from car jackings and killings. So maybe his first initial thought after getting spooked by undercover cops was to grab his gun.

Especially since there are plenty of cases where people pose as cops to do whatever.

Idk. But his brain disability may not have allowed him to respond like all of us at first.

But I'm not blaming the cops.

But I will state that either he was mentally bewildered at first or he looked like he wanted to simply get out of there. While being bewildered without remembering that he had a gun in hand. Jmo.

But yes. The shooting was justifiable. And protesters should vet cases more before going to the extremes. Jmo.

But I still think that Keith became shocked due to his disability and got scared as if he was an autistic adult or something. Jmo

Btw. I know he wasn't autistic. So please lets not go there. I just think he may have been a little more slower in acknowledging that situation at that point.

OK carry a weapon to protect yourself but when told to drop said weapon, then do it. Why is that hard to comprehend?

 

[thistle]

I think everyone should be able to voice their opinion on the events happening in Charlotte, but maybe it should be more emphasized for people that are actually IN Charlotte, & are experiencing it-talk about it all you want to, but back off, if you're not there (that's my opinion). It's easy to jump in on the topic of the moment, but if you're not part of it, back off-enjoy being part of the percentage that doesn't have something to ***** about.....

 

[drjones]

the open carry issue is a red herring, he was not approached or shot simply because he was open carrying (which he wasnt doing anyway. but yes, it is a matter of what police knew at the time).

nor was he shot just because he possessed/smoked marijuana in public.

 

[bluesneakers]

I think everyone should be able to voice their opinion on the events happening in Charlotte, but maybe it should be more emphasized for people that are actually IN Charlotte, & are experiencing it-talk about it all you want to, but back off, if you're not there (that's my opinion). It's easy to jump in on the topic of the moment, but if you're not part of it, back off-enjoy being part of the percentage that doesn't have something to ***** about.....

How does one qualify to be part of it? Do you have to live in Charlotte? Be a law enforcement officer? Have a friend or family member who has been shot by law enforcement?

I believe this thread is open to all members of Websleuths no matter their location, race, or relationship to protestors, victims, or LEOs. Perhaps I missed the memo.

 

[Jax49]

How does one qualify to be part of it? Do you have to live in Charlotte? Be a law enforcement officer? Have a friend or family member who has been shot by law enforcement?

I believe this thread is open to all members of Websleuths no matter their location, race, or relationship to protestors, victims, or LEOs. Perhaps I missed the memo.

Or something else?

Thanks. The button wasn't enough.