NC - Keith Scott, 43, killed by LEO, Charlotte, 20 Sept 2016 #1

[BayouBelle_LA]

Seriously, whether he had time to assess the situation or not, he shouldn't have been in that situation to begin with. I'm truly confused by the thought process that ignores the fact he had a gun! He didn't listen. FFS

Not only did he have a gun, it was cocked and ready to fire. He cocked it to get a shot off quick or put a bullet in the chamber. There's no way someone is going to keep a gun in his ankle holster cocked unless they are complete idiots. He was ready to fire that gun imo.

 

[animlzrule]

OK carry a weapon to protect yourself but when told to drop said weapon, then do it. Why is that hard to comprehend?

I would imagine having a TBI and being giving orders by police in plain clothes may have had something to do with it. Also, I still question how/why these officers had the notion to approach his car in the first place. If he felt he was being unlawfully detained/searched, it would have inflamed the situation. The wife informed the officers of his TBI. Why would they not attempt to deescalate, or call in a negotiator? The whole thing is suspect.

 

[thistle]

Hey, go ahead, if your opinion or experience adds to this discussion, go for it. I don't live anywhere close by, but I'm adding my opinion, so you should also. Be glad that you aren't in Charlotte right now.

 

[animlzrule]

I think everyone should be able to voice their opinion on the events happening in Charlotte, but maybe it should be more emphasized for people that are actually IN Charlotte, & are experiencing it-talk about it all you want to, but back off, if you're not there (that's my opinion). It's easy to jump in on the topic of the moment, but if you're not part of it, back off-enjoy being part of the percentage that doesn't have something to ***** about.....

But unequal policing is a nationwide problem. There is literally no one for whom this topic should be off limits. Yes, this particular incident happened in Charlotte, but dubious police practices are being exposed all over the country. We ALL are part of it.

 

[ninij9]

Empathy is in VERY short supply in this country. We do, however, have an overabundance of nationalism, white pride and racism. So....we've got that going for us...I guess?

Racism is awful and horrible. How can you equate white pride or nationalism with this? Why can't white people have pride? Why is it OK for minority groups to have pride but not white people? Why is there an "over abundance" of white pride?

I'm not sure you meant it this way, but it's in the same sentence.

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[Kimberlyd125]

I can say, I've watched plenty of protests/rallies/riots unfold in other places on TV. I understood how scary they probably were.

But, until it happened HERE I didn't fully understand how it impacted everybody in the area.

When your daughter's 18 year old friend calls her mom terrified because she was just harassed, cussed at, and threatened at a red light it is very eye opening. Why was she treated that way? Because she's white and was driving in Baton Rouge. Minding her own business. Going to work.

I feel for the people in Charlotte.

I am all for peaceful protests. That flag some despise protects that right. But when they are not peaceful, they impact everyone.

 

[bluesneakers]

Racism is awful and horrible. How can you equate white pride or nationalism with this? Why can't white people have pride? Why is it OK for minority groups to have pride but not white people? Why is there an "over abundance" of white pride?

I'm not sure you meant it this way, but it's in the same sentence.

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You're not seriously asking why can't white people have pride.

 

[Tillicum]

Charlotte Shooting Videos: a Side-By-Side Comparison

 

[animlzrule]

You're not seriously asking why can't white people have pride.

I mean....seriously????? That the question is being asked is a perfect example of what I'm referencing. Wow.

 

[drjones]

I would imagine having a TBI and being giving orders by police in plain clothes may have had something to do with it. Also, I still question how/why these officers had the notion to approach his car in the first place. If he felt he was being unlawfully detained/searched, it would have inflamed the situation. The wife informed the officers of his TBI. Why would they not attempt to deescalate, or call in a negotiator? The whole thing is suspect.

all officers at the scene were clearly marked as police, they identified themselves, and there was a marked police vehicle and uniformed officers also there.

the reason they approached his car is known, its on this thread and has been discussed at length, its in every recent news story.

we do not know what happened at the start of the incident before the video started (ie the approach the officers took), but we do know that he ignored many commands given by the police and the chose to get out of the vehicle and start walking while still holding the gun.

the fact that his wife told officers he had a TBI is irrelevant, he is still holding a gun and not complying.

 

[thistle]

If you think I'm being insincere in liking your posts, let's let it happen in your hometown, I'm sure the posts will get a lot more real.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

I would imagine having a TBI and being giving orders by police in plain clothes may have had something to do with it. Also, I still question how/why these officers had the notion to approach his car in the first place. If he felt he was being unlawfully detained/searched, it would have inflamed the situation. The wife informed the officers of his TBI. Why would they not attempt to deescalate, or call in a negotiator? The whole thing is suspect.

So you think the officers should have listened to the wife? She was also shouting that he didn't have a gun and clearly they could see that he did. Why would they believe her when she said he had a TBI. I think if he did in fact have a TBI it's irrelevant in this case. imo

 

[Doghairrules]

I agree! Because you get paid millions to throw a ball (or sit on the sidelines) does not make you a voice for others. Sit down (or kneel if you prefer) and shut up CK!

Too many people died for that flag that you disrespect.

If people respected authority as much as they idolize idiots such as this, we wouldn't have this issue.

JMO

I disagree with your characterization of him as an idiot. He is a man speaking out about something that is wrong in our society. I give him mad props for this.

How could he protest in a way that would not be objectionable to you? He's not hurting anyone.


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[bluesneakers]

But unequal policing is a nationwide problem. There is literally no one for whom this topic should be off limits. Yes, this particular incident happened in Charlotte, but dubious police practices are being exposed all over the country. We ALL are part of it.

Tulsa and Charlotte are this week. Who's next?

 

[animlzrule]

all officers at the scene were clearly marked as police, they identified themselves, and there was a marked police vehicle and uniformed officers also there.

the reason they approached his car is known, its on this thread and has been discussed at length, its in every recent news story.

we do not know what happened at the start of the incident before the video started (ie the approach the officers took), but we do know that he ignored many commands given by the police and the chose to get out of the vehicle and start walking while still holding the gun.

the fact that his wife told officers he had a TBI is irrelevant, he is still holding a gun and not complying.

The police who first approached the vehicle were plain clothed, in an unmarked vehicle, were they not? How exactly were they, while sitting in their vehicle, able to see Scott's gun and joint? THAT has never been explained. He was in an SUV, were they also? Was he waving his gun around in the car? Was he rolling the joint up in the air, rather then in his lap, which would be the more logical, ergonomic method? The TBI should have been relevant, as is any kind of mental impairment during a police interaction(a fact the police seem to be having a very hard time discerning and handling.) He was not pointing at the officers when shot. Why did they shoot? Soldiers in war have a policy of escalation towards engaging with deadly force. Why aren't the police held to at least the same standard?

 

[DexterMorgan]

I can say, I've watched plenty of protests/rallies/riots unfold in other places on TV. I understood how scary they probably were.

But, until it happened HERE I didn't fully understand how it impacted everybody in the area.

When your daughter's 18 year old friend calls her mom terrified because she was just harassed, cussed at, and threatened at a red light it is very eye opening. Why was she treated that way? Because she's white and was driving in Baton Rouge. Minding her own business. Going to work.

I feel for the people in Charlotte.

I am all for peaceful protests. That flag some despise protects that right. But when they are not peaceful, they impact everyone.

Agree. We have come a long ways. And tried to eliminate the whole racists aspects of some.

And it is sad to see that kids still need to be taught that they may be singled out by being whatever skin complexion.

Agree.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I disagree with your characterization of him as an idiot. He is a man speaking out about something that is wrong in our society. I give him mad props for this.

How could he protest in a way that would not be objectionable to you? He's not hurting anyone.


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I don't care that he's kneeling. I think it's disgusting but it's his right.
I was reacting to him speaking to the High School team.
He can have his opinions, but a school
System letting him push his agenda there is nonsense IMO.

 

[bluesneakers]

The police who first approached the vehicle were plain clothed, in an unmarked vehicle, were they not? How exactly were they, while sitting in their vehicle, able to see Scott's gun and joint? THAT has never been explained. He was in an SUV, were they also? Was he waving his gun around in the car? Was he rolling the joint up in the air, rather then in his lap, which would be the more logical, ergonomic method? The TBI should have been relevant, as is any kind of mental impairment during a police interaction(a fact the police seem to be having a very hard time discerning and handling.) He was not pointing at the officers when shot. Why did they shoot? Soldiers in war have a policy of escalation towards engaging with deadly force. Why aren't the police held to at least the same standard?

He really didn't appear threatening when he got out of the truck. He was doing what they asked him to do, and then they shot him. What would they have done had he stayed inside? Why weren't they better prepared for when he got out of the vehicle?

I read something today about civilians are supposed to know how to stay calm and behave properly when officers are pointing weapons at them and threatening them, but law enforcement officers are allowed to react out of fear in the heat of the moment. One side always wins.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

He was not doing what they told him to do.

 

[animlzrule]

So you think the officers should have listened to the wife? She was also shouting that he didn't have a gun and clearly they could see that he did. Why would they believe her when she said he had a TBI. I think if he did in fact have a TBI it's irrelevant in this case. imo

Absolutely, they should have listened to his wife. If the police don't have different methods of engaging with the mentally ill, or the sick, or panicked versus the garden variety criminal, then this is an absolute failure of policing. The fact that this guy had a TBI could have had everything to do with why he didn't drop his weapon, or respond in the manner in which he was being ordered. How could they not take that into account? The police culture has veered away from "protect and serve" into some kind of militaristic, autocratic, impersonal, unthinking machine. This heightens the danger for all of us. People are not machines, and sometimes require finesse and manipulation. If you are a police officer and the only weapon you bring to the table is a gun versus your intellect and ability to assess a situation, you're in the wrong business.