GUILTY NC - PFC Kelli Bordeaux, 23, Fayetteville, 14 April 2012 - #10

[Xavier]

Um. No. No one can be compelled to speak to LE if they don't want to.

TONTO--- You're right, Unless the POI is Subpoened to be interviewed

 

[Xavier]

Just a few things. 1. You cannot make a left out of Froggy's. You must turn right and make a U-Turn at the 2nd light. (You can make one at the first, but I am no sure if it's legal. It doesn't look legal but there are no signs saying you can't)

2. My time frame is now a bit fuzzy - 7 months later but no one other than Kelli or Nick left or came into Froggy's within 20-30 minutes (maybe longer) after they left.

3. Kelli did not seem drunk. Perhaps a bit buzzed, but she was walking straight and not slurring her words in anyway.

4. Nick was at Froggys the next day, pretty much all day. The bar tender on Saturday informed me he arrived at 11 am. I know he was there from 1 - 4ish in the afternoon as I was there myself.

VOH910---- Do you live in Fayetteville? That's good follow up on some helpful details.

It's very possible Nick could be a suspect being in the wrong place at the wrong time..

LE said Nick knows more about Kelli's whereabouts. Which to the ordinary person like me, suggests he had a part in her disappearance by himself or with an accomplice.

Or he knows who Kelli saw when he dropped her off, the last time she was seen alive.

 

[Madeleine74]

Xavier,

A subpoena is only issued to compel someone to appear at a court or legal hearing--either civil or criminal. No "interview with police" can ever be forced, coerced, compelled or any other adjective. That is a fundamental right of each individual in the U.S.

Upon being subpoenaed to appear at a legal proceeding, an individual always has the option to plead the 'fifth amendment" and not answer any questions. That too is a fundamental right.

If Nick or anyone else refuses to talk, they cannot be forced to do so...ever. Not to police, not to any government official, agent or anyone.

 

[Xavier]

According to Kelli's sister, Olivia Cox, she said she received a text message from Kelli saying she "got home safely"


Cox told FoxNews.com that her sister sent her a text message early on April 14, saying she was leaving the bar. Cox got another message 40 minutes later from Bordeaux's phone that read "got home safely."


Bordeaux's cellphone pinged off a tower close to the bar before its battery died, Cox said. But searches for the phone around the tower have come up empty.

"The phone is somewhere in that area," Cox said. "It did not leave that tower the entire night." (near the Dept of Transportation engineering office off I 295 & Ramsey St)


Gavin McRoberts, spokesman for the Fayetteville police, said the case remains an "active investigation."

He did not call Holbert a "person of interest" or "suspect" in Bordeaux's disappearance, saying only, "He’s been a person we’ve been talking with."



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/11/1...t-bragg-soldier-kelli-bordeaux/#ixzz2DNVzKLIC



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/11/1...t-bragg-soldier-kelli-bordeaux/#ixzz2DNUwsyP1



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/11/1...t-bragg-soldier-kelli-bordeaux/#ixzz2DNUXiU5c

 

[Tonto]

The way Nick described his dropping off Kelli sounded realistic. But of course, sounding realistic and being real are two different things. Add to that, if he had done something to her, then he knows he can't say he dropped he off in front of her apt., since it appears she never made inside. So he needs
to find a way to say he dropped off far enough away from her front door such that someone else could get to her...

The thing with Nick's story is that it is too complicated (but yet reasonable) for someone like him to fabricate and stick to consistently. In other words, I believe that if he did do something to her, that the story he made up would have been much simpler, and as a result much easier to break via investigative channels and evidence. If his story wasn't corroborated by the available evidence, LE would have made an arrest by now, or at the very least stated clearly that he was a suspect. I believe that if he did do this, physical evidence would have been prevalent, whether on his person, in his car, where he 'lived', in the bar, or elsewhere.

Now, I'm not saying he didn't do it, but I am saying that there is a 50/50 shot that he didn't. Put it this way - if I were LE I would not have tunnel vision on him, because I'm not so sure he has the answers.

 

[Madeleine74]

The thing with Nick's story is that it is too complicated (but yet reasonable) for someone like him to fabricate and stick to consistently. In other words, I believe that if he did do something to her, that the story he made up would have been much simpler, and as a result much easier to break via investigative channels and evidence.

Actually it's a known thing that people who lie include all kinds of details, even things that are not asked. It's one way that investigators can tell that something may not be the truth. People who tell the truth tend to keep things simple and tend not to add layers of detail, especially when no one asked them. It's not foolproof by any means, but it is something that many liars tend to do, and it will raise the 'ole hinky flag for many.

 

[reedus23]

Yes, in jail but on unrelated charges. So far the only thing they have him for as far as Kelli goes is that he was the last KNOWN person with her. I think the detective was fishing. If Nick's the perp, make him sweat, if not, let the actual perp think all eyes are focused on Holbert.

Pretty big thing at that.

 

[reedus23]

TONTO--- You're right, Unless the POI is Subpoened to be interviewed

Even then, if they have reason and wish to invoke their 5th amendment rights.

 

[ERRN1313]

Pretty big thing at that.

But realistically, almost every missing/murdered victim has someone they were last known with, sometimes they turn out to be the perp but often times not. Look at Mickey Shunick. How many people questioned or suspected her friend Brettly Wilson. His interviews were critiqued, his emotions blasted, his looks talked about. People questioned if she ever left his house. It wasn't until the video of her was released that suspicion subsided. Unfortunately, we don't have a video here to clear anyone, doesn't mean there wasn't a last UNKNOWN person with Kelli who committed the crime.

 

[Xavier]

I'm trying to summarize where this case stands now and possibly where it could lead to, so I may have some inaccuracies, but bear with me. I've already worked a 10 hour day..LOL

LE has gone on record that they feel Nick has more information of Kelli's whereabouts.

And that news has already been public for awhile now.


Which means to me, either Nick saw someone who Kelli met/ startled by at her apt complex or Nick was by himself or with an accomplice are responsible for her disappearance.

If LE is digging for intel, clues on Nick's information, it's likely they're investigating that person(s) right now.

To me this case has always sounded like a crime of passion/jealousy

 

[Chili Fries]

But realistically, almost every missing/murdered victim has someone they were last known with, sometimes they turn out to be the perp but often times not. Look at Mickey Shunick. How many people questioned or suspected her friend Brettly Wilson. His interviews were critiqued, his emotions blasted, his looks talked about. People questioned if she ever left his house. It wasn't until the video of her was released that suspicion subsided. Unfortunately, we don't have a video here to clear anyone, doesn't mean there wasn't a last UNKNOWN person with Kelli who committed the crime.

No it doesn't mean that. But there's a big difference between Brettly and Nick Holbert - Brettly wasn't a convicted sex offender who had attacked a female in the past (and, speaking to Holbert's former crime against the 5 year old, there are what are called situational sex offenders who are not pedophiles, but will attack women of any age given the opportunity).

I believe in being very circumspect in these cases, and not casting suspicion unless something concrete points in a person's direction (I didn't suspect Brettly at all). Holbert's record, LE statements about him and Kelli's family strongly suspecting him all make me consider him a very strong candidate for being responsible for what happened to Kelli.

Also, Xavier, here's the story on the crime Holbert was convicted of:

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/103731/

It didn't happen behind the bar (Holbert hadn't lived there too long) but at the girl's house. I do think it could bear some semblance to Kelli's case because he attacked the girl knowing the finger would be pointed right at him if it was found out - he really couldn't control his impulse. Same thing if he's responsible for what happened to Kelli - he would know the finger would point right at him again but he couldn't stop himself once again.

 

[ERRN1313]

No it doesn't mean that. But there's a big difference between Brettly and Nick Holbert - Brettly wasn't a convicted sex offender who had attacked a female in the past (and, speaking to Holbert's former crime against the 5 year old, there are what are called situational sex offenders who are not pedophiles, but will attack women of any age given the opportunity).

I believe in being very circumspect in these cases, and not casting suspicion unless something concrete points in a person's direction (I didn't suspect Brettly at all). Holbert's record, LE statements about him and Kelli's family strongly suspecting him all make me consider him a very strong candidate for being responsible for what happened to Kelli.

Also, Xavier, here's the story on the crime Holbert was convicted of:

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/103731/

It didn't happen behind the bar (Holbert hadn't lived there too long) but at the girl's house. I do think it could bear some semblance to Kelli's case because he attacked the girl knowing the finger would be pointed right at him if it was found out - he really couldn't control his impulse. Same thing if he's responsible for what happened to Kelli - he would know the finger would point right at him again but he couldn't stop himself once again.

I agree with what you are saying to a point, but I don't think NH is a situational sex offender or I think there would be additional offenses before now, like you said, they can't control themselves. NH was 16 when he offended. I'm not giving him a pass because of his age, I personally have absolutely no tolerance for sex offenders and would personally volunteer to assure they never offended again, but that being said, at 16, who knows what his emotional development was. 16 year olds make some really bad choices in general, choices that a developmentally mature and healthy individual might not make. Obviously he was convicted of his crime, so there was some proof of his charges (I'm assuming), and I applaud North Carolina for putting him away. Too many states do nothing or too little, but that's another soapbox I won't climb up on right now.

As for Brettly, I didn't suspect him at all either, but many, many did because he was the last KNOWN person to be with her, and that was the first and most recent case that came to mind. As far as NH, of course Kelli's family will suspect him, he is the most likely suspect in the case. LE too. But sometimes the most likely suspect with all the bells and whistles going off around them, are not the perp. I'm not ruling him out, I just don't "think", MOO, he did it. I can change my mind though!! :truce:

 

[reedus23]

But realistically, almost every missing/murdered victim has someone they were last known with, sometimes they turn out to be the perp but often times not. Look at Mickey Shunick. How many people questioned or suspected her friend Brettly Wilson. His interviews were critiqued, his emotions blasted, his looks talked about. People questioned if she ever left his house. It wasn't until the video of her was released that suspicion subsided. Unfortunately, we don't have a video here to clear anyone, doesn't mean there wasn't a last UNKNOWN person with Kelli who committed the crime.

Don't get me wrong, being the last known person to be seen with someone is not determinative of guilt in and of itself, but, it is a big piece of a puzzle that should be looked at, weighed and considered. I'm pretty sure LE wants to determine who a missing person was known to be with in most all cases whether it turns out that person is responsible or not.

 

[reedus23]

I agree with what you are saying to a point, but I don't think NH is a situational sex offender or I think there would be additional offenses before now, like you said, they can't control themselves. NH was 16 when he offended. I'm not giving him a pass because of his age, I personally have absolutely no tolerance for sex offenders and would personally volunteer to assure they never offended again, but that being said, at 16, who knows what his emotional development was. 16 year olds make some really bad choices in general, choices that a developmentally mature and healthy individual might not make. Obviously he was convicted of his crime, so there was some proof of his charges (I'm assuming), and I applaud North Carolina for putting him away. Too many states do nothing or too little, but that's another soapbox I won't climb up on right now.

As for Brettly, I didn't suspect him at all either, but many, many did because he was the last KNOWN person to be with her, and that was the first and most recent case that came to mind. As far as NH, of course Kelli's family will suspect him, he is the most likely suspect in the case. LE too. But sometimes the most likely suspect with all the bells and whistles going off around them, are not the perp. I'm not ruling him out, I just don't "think", MOO, he did it. I can change my mind though!! :truce:

MOO is that sexually assaulting a 5 year old child is beyond a bad choice made by a teenager and indicates problems much deeper than a typical teenager encounters in maturing.

I'm on the same page though, as far as NH. I'm not going to say he's the perp, nor am I going to say anyone else is. I have no idea. I won't discount him as potentially being involved though IMO.

 

[OldSteve]

But realistically, almost every missing/murdered victim has someone they were last known with, sometimes they turn out to be the perp but often times not. Look at Mickey Shunick. How many people questioned or suspected her friend Brettly Wilson. His interviews were critiqued, his emotions blasted, his looks talked about. People questioned if she ever left his house. It wasn't until the video of her was released that suspicion subsided. Unfortunately, we don't have a video here to clear anyone, doesn't mean there wasn't a last UNKNOWN person with Kelli who committed the crime.

Well said, and even though he was an RSO, we have the case of Sierra Lamar who's father was a RSO and some though might have been involved in some way in her apparent murder.

 

[ERRN1313]

MOO is that sexually assaulting a 5 year old child is beyond a bad choice made by a teenager and indicates problems much deeper than a typical teenager encounters in maturing.I'm on the same page though, as far as NH. I'm not going to say he's the perp, nor am I going to say anyone else is. I have no idea. I won't discount him as potentially being involved though IMO.

BBM, I agree with you and please, I am not defending him on the sexual abuse charges. My point is, we don't really know what he did.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/103731/

But according to NC Laws:

http://www.chetson.com/felonies/north-carolina-sex-crimes-2/

"Indecent liberties" - A person guilty of taking indecent liberties with a child is at least 16 years old and, with the purpose of arousing or gratifying a sexual desire, takes or attempts to take an “indecent liberty” with or commits a “lewd or lascivious act” upon the body of a child under the age of 16 years old. In this case, the child must be at least 5 years younger than the defendant.

Indecent Liberties is a Class F felony carrying a maximum of 59 months in prison.

An indecent liberty may occur even if the defendant does not touch a child: for instance, if the defendant masturbates in the child’s presence or photographs the child nude in a sexually suggestive position.

"Serious injury" - the serious injury does not need to be physical. If the state can show a mental injury that extends for some time after the sexual act, that may be enough to show serious personal injury.

"First Degree Sexual Offense" - Finally, First Degree Sexual Offense is basically the same crime as First Degree Forcible Rape, except that the sexual act in “Rape” is vaginal, and the sexual act in “Sexual Offense” involves some other sexual act.

So yeah, this is bad, real bad, but did he just have the child undress while he masterbated? Still bad, but not brutally raped and beaten like some have speculated. The mother did not know anything happened until the child told her. Again, not defending him, but I would be more inclined to throw him to the wolves if it was recent, multiple offenses, or a brutal rape of an adult woman by him as an adult. I'm glad he was prosecuted and convicted and served his time (whether long enough or not, that's another debate), but his deserved label of "sex offender" can possibly be qualified. That's what I meant by a stupid act by a 16 yr. old, not saying it was OK or minimizing it in any way, and normal 16 year old boys wouldn't do this. If that was his only offense, 10 years ago, I have a hard time jumping to murder because of it.

 

[mikkismom]

IIRC, NH was in prison for most of the time between the offense with the 5yo and KB going missing. Don't mean to post and run (I'm wayyy behind). I will try to find a link.

jmo

 

[phantomthought]

But realistically, almost every missing/murdered victim has someone they were last known with, sometimes they turn out to be the perp but often times not. Look at Mickey Shunick. How many people questioned or suspected her friend Brettly Wilson. His interviews were critiqued, his emotions blasted, his looks talked about. People questioned if she ever left his house. It wasn't until the video of her was released that suspicion subsided. Unfortunately, we don't have a video here to clear anyone, doesn't mean there wasn't a last UNKNOWN person with Kelli who committed the crime.

Pretty telling that LE has never made an effort to find this unknown person.If NH is telling the truth then the most important witness is someone who saw KB getting out of NH car or walking from where he dropped her off towards her apartment.Yet LE has made no effort to find this person.Instead the only witness they have tried to locate is one that might have seen something on ramsey st. at midnight.It might turn out that LE is wrong but there is no arguing LE is convinced of NH guilt.Every action,inaction,statement or time frame they have put out points to or contradicts him.

 

[ERRN1313]

Pretty telling that LE has never made an effort to find this unknown person.If NH is telling the truth then the most important witness is someone who saw KB getting out of NH car or walking from where he dropped her off towards her apartment.Yet LE has made no effort to find this person.Instead the only witness they have tried to locate is one that might have seen something on ramsey st. at midnight.It might turn out that LE is wrong but there is no arguing LE is convinced of NH guilt.Every action,inaction,statement or time frame they have put out points to or contradicts him.

Not looking for an unknown "witness" but an unknown perp, and I'm sure they ARE looking. What if this "last person to see her" was hanging around Froggy Bottoms waiting for her to leave?

And Mikkismon, I do agree NH was in jail like 7 years, point well taken. (Don't know how to double quote)

 

[Xavier]

Here's a good link and news interviews, it's dated, not current, but some of you might want to get caught up...

I really hope LE is very thorough to solve this cold case..and looks at every angle.


http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/state/...ast-seen-at-bar-in-fayetteville#ixzz1sOUf0FVH

But Mike Bordeaux, who is not in the military, told NBC-17, a local station, that their marriage was “happy” and they were not estranged. He wouldn’t say where he was Friday or over the weekend -- just that he was not at their apartment. He said he was devastated by his wife’s disappearance.

While Bordeaux originally stated he left Fayetteville to visit his family and purchase a vehicle, the source(s) went on to say that detectives recently told him they are unable to verify his whereabouts for portions of the weekend that Kelli disappeared. His Father and stepmother were apparently away that weekend.



"He is in a total panic," she told the newspaper. "He wants to be there when she comes home. He's totally losing it."