NC - Shaniya Davis, 5, Fayetteville, 10 Nov 2009 - Allegedly sold by mother #26

[concerned4kids]

Did MAM appear in court today?

 

[Oriah]

Looking for that info now- should be up by 5 I would think...

 

[Oriah]

Yes. Appeared for 1st degree kidnapping. Should be on WRAL news tonight. I'll link if they update it quickly.

 

[Oriah]

Oops sorry I think (?) I should have clarified that was what I heard from friends in LE, so heresay. But If I get a link, I will post asap. Sorry, still learning.

 

[LaLaw2000]

It is awfully quiet in here today!

I am hoping that MAM's court appearance video will be out shortly. I am looking forward to seeing how his cocky self looks now that he has been incarcerated for a while.

 

[Patty G]

Here is a LIVE WRAL news online link. Not sure what they will report rearding McNeill.

http://www.wral.com/news/video/1082826/

 

[Oriah]

ARGH...! not much from what I just saw. Maybe it will be on the later news reports.

MOO: I think they split the charges, specifically.

 

[Patty G]

ARGH...! not much from what I just saw. Maybe it will be on the later news reports.

MOO: I think they split the charges, specifically.

MAM was only in court today for the Felony Kidnapping Charge; in what way could they split that one charge?

 

[kindiejo]

I am always disturbed by people who say "God's will"....I don't want to worship a God whose will would involve raping and killing a little girl....that is not God's will..that is evil people....God gave us free will and to experience the joy of that there is an evil downside

Hmmmm, I think there is a bit of a misunderstanding here. I have no wish to enter into a religious debate, but would like to make one attempt to offer some explanation about what some Christians believe, as it might clear up what I believe to be a misconception that BL is blaming God.

Many people believe in a God who is omnicient, omnipotent, and omnipresent. For people who believe in such a God, then it stands to reason that, although he gave us free will and people can choose their own path, he is not powerless against evil. They believe that God could choose to heal people (and has chosen to do so according to The Bible), and that, yes, he has the power that would enable him to change any event that is happening or will happen.

So, when BL says it is God's will, he isn't saying that God caused this to happen. More that it was God's will to allow it to happen, to permit people their free will to make evil choices, even though those choices resulted in the death of a precious innocent child.

People who blame God are generally very angry with God, and distance themselves from their church. I don't see any evidence that that is the case with BL, so in my opinion he is not blaming God for this tragedy.

 

[Oriah]

Oh- no- sorry for the misunderstanding- I just meant I think they split the kidnapping from the other charges yet to come on the 9th for a reason. Different jurisdiction etc. Not that they split the kidnapping charge.

 

[songline]

Here is a LIVE WRAL news online link. Not sure what they will report rearding McNeill.

http://www.wral.com/news/video/1082826/

Thanks much Patty :blowkiss:
:banghead: BUT I missed it... so what actually did happen?

 

[songline]

Hmmmm, I think there is a bit of a misunderstanding here. I have no wish to enter into a religious debate, but would like to make one attempt to offer some explanation about what some Christians believe, as it might clear up what I believe to be a misconception that BL is blaming God.

Many people believe in a God who is omnicient, omnipotent, and omnipresent. For people who believe in such a God, then it stands to reason that, although he gave us free will and people can choose their own path, he is not powerless against evil. They believe that God could choose to heal people (and has chosen to do so according to The Bible), and that, yes, he has the power that would enable him to change any event that is happening or will happen.

So, when BL says it is God's will, he isn't saying that God caused this to happen. More that it was God's will to allow it to happen, to permit people their free will to make evil choices, even though those choices resulted in the death of a precious innocent child.

People who blame God are generally very angry with God, and distance themselves from their church. I don't see any evidence that that is the case with BL, so in my opinion he is not blaming God for this tragedy.

BBM
ITA.... but not because I am Chrisitan, because I have studied spiritual healing for many, many years....
I can often see through people (good & the bad) not only by what they do say but also by what
they do not say.
In this case BL could not be more obvious, and so is CDL.
Sure is plenty of avoidance....of responsibility, and whatever else is lurking in his closet....:waitasec:

 

[Patty G]

Oh- no- sorry for the misunderstanding- I just meant I think they split the kidnapping from the other charges yet to come on the 9th for a reason. Different jurisdiction etc. Not that they split the kidnapping charge.

The court dates were set based on when MAM was charged. The first charge kidnapping, judge assigned 12/2. When MAM was charged with Rape and Murder, the judge assigned 12/9/09. All court appearances are in the same jurisdiction.

December 2, 2009
FELONY - FIRST DEGREE KIDNAPPING

December 9, 2009
Felony FIRST DEGREE RAPE CHILD
Felony FIRST DEGREE MURDER

MAM received the followings additional charges on the same day as the Felony Kidnapping Charge.

January 10, 2010
Infraction speeding

February 5, 2010
Window tinting - 2 charges

 

[Patty G]

Thanks much Patty :blowkiss:
:banghead :BUT I missed it... so what actually did happen?

I haven't heard anything yet, but then I am away from my puter making dinner.

 

[Oriah]

Yes, I think they were waiting on evidence and jurisdiction. Thus the delay in charges b/t charges and court. Or else maybe just overloaded court cases (holidays- timing usually bad?) Or maybe they just wanted certain, uh, people, in jail for a bit longer. :waitasec:

MOO only- it buys time in case there are more charges to come.

 

[Patty G]

Yes, I think they were waiting on evidence and jurisdiction. Thus the delay in charges b/t charges and court. Or else maybe just overloaded court cases (holidays- timing usually bad?) Or maybe they just wanted certain, uh, people, in jail for a bit longer. :waitasec:

MOO only- it buys time in case there are more charges to come.

IIRC, the jurisdiction has been settled whereas Cumberland County rules overall.

 

[Oriah]

It does seem like that. But I am not sure all of the charges have been settled?
Also, I wonder about the Ft. Bragg situation coming into play if necessary for further charges.

 

[reeseeva]

It does seem like that. But I am not sure all of the charges have been settled?
Also, I wonder about the Ft. Bragg situation coming into play if necessary for further charges.

What about Ft. Bragg?

Thanks for your input. Can you tell us what people are saying there? Any rumblings about what people think happened. Also what do you hear about Antoinette Davis?

 

[Oriah]

Sorry that I don't know anything about what people are saying other than what I have heard from LE friends and military...

I do know that to have traveled the route that is allegedly to have been traveled with Shaniya, they would have passsed through property owned by the US government, specifically Ft. Bragg.

 

[stilettos]

Hmmmm, I think there is a bit of a misunderstanding here. I have no wish to enter into a religious debate, but would like to make one attempt to offer some explanation about what some Christians believe, as it might clear up what I believe to be a misconception that BL is blaming God.

Many people believe in a God who is omnicient, omnipotent, and omnipresent. For people who believe in such a God, then it stands to reason that, although he gave us free will and people can choose their own path, he is not powerless against evil. They believe that God could choose to heal people (and has chosen to do so according to The Bible), and that, yes, he has the power that would enable him to change any event that is happening or will happen.

So, when BL says it is God's will, he isn't saying that God caused this to happen. More that it was God's will to allow it to happen, to permit people their free will to make evil choices, even though those choices resulted in the death of a precious innocent child.

People who blame God are generally very angry with God, and distance themselves from their church. I don't see any evidence that that is the case with BL, so in my opinion he is not blaming God for this tragedy.

That was a good explanation....I kind of like to put it like this...He gives beauty for ashes....never thought that I would say that God gave me something beautiful out of the abuse I suffered as a child..BUT..years later...I have five foster children i adopted because of what happened to me....I work with abused teens...because of what happened to me...I have a platform to reach those abused teens because of whatt happened to me...and kids have been helped because of what happened to me. He allowed it..He turned it around and used it to make me what I am...and turned it into good. There is more...but it would be overkill.