GUILTY NC - Tim Hennis on trial in the '85 Eastburn murders, Fort Bragg

  • #521
Just to add quickly to my above comments:
Was reading through some older posts and someone mentioned that little Jana has told the psychologist that she was told to "hide from the burglar ". That sure doesn't fit in with Bittle's theory that Hennis came in thinking Mrs Eastburn had come onto him sexually, then became enraged when she was refusing him.
 
  • #522
Having reread the Whisnant book, I am convinced that the original investigation erred greviously in failing to check out more thoroughly the babysitter, her drug connections, and Patrick Cone. Strombaugh who was an expert investigator was convinced there were 2 assalialnts working in tandem, multiple weapons used, and a plan worked out prior to entering the home. Two sets of bloody footprints were revealed in the master bedroom under luminol. Hennis surely is innocent despite what they claim about the DNA . This case is depressing and tragic.
 
  • #523
I'm pretty sure I mentioned this in an earlier post, but I'm not going to go back over all these pages to check. On the 20/20 special, the box is taken down where they supposedly had the crime scene evidence stored. They show the journalist the tube the vaginal swab was in, unrefrigerated apparently for 30 years. On the side of the box it says, "Suspect Hennis". This is supposed to be crime scene evidence and samples from the bodies, yet they label the box with his name. Recently I watched the Death Row Stories episode again and noticed something I didn't before. They have a different box, but it is supposed to again be crime scene evidence and samples from the victims. On the side of the box it is clearly written in large letters "Hennis Homicide". I think the prejudice in that is blatant, as it should say Eastburn Homicide to my thinking.

If this is where they stored the samples, the boxes labeled that way tell me that the samples they took from Hennis are likely also in the same box. What an easy way to contaminate the evidence from the scene with samples from him. They said in the 2nd trial there was no semen sample left, yet they say they found 2 new ones 30 years later. I'm wondering if they took the saliva samples taken from him and mixed it in or just relabeled it as the vaginal swab, or contaminated it. They did something hinky in this. It's really scary how a group of humans can behave when they want to get someone. The thing is if they were ever caught having done something like that, they can just claim it was accidental contamination.

I have come to believe that the crime scene evidence and samples from victims need to be kept in separate facilities entirely from suspect samples or prison collected DNA material. And the people should not have access to one another, if that makes sense. For example, the clothing and biological tubes from the Eastburn house and victims should be in a lab in one building, and the blood and buccal swabs from Hennis and any other suspects, as well as blood/dna samples routinely taken from convicted criminals should be stored in a completely different building. People who work in Building A cannot have any access to material from Building B, and vice/versa. Nor shall police be able to check out evidence. They reveal the results of each other's testing, and computer results, but they can't physically handle each other's samples or evidence. This could really cut down on accidental contamination and deliberate planting of evidence. Now that DNA is such a lock, it is just too easy to make sure a suspects' dna appears on an incriminating piece of evidence for unscrupulous police and techs. Some may actually believe they are doing something noble if they truly believe the person is guilty.

I guess Cone has not been arrested again? If so just wondering if his DNA may now be on file and could be checked. Another question. I thought that in the original investigations and trials it was said that the semen and Hennis' blood type did not match. Am I mistaken about that? Because I haven't been able to reconcile that with them now saying the DNA matches if that was true.

I wish Whisnant would update his book and rerelease it.
 
  • #524
I'm pretty sure I mentioned this in an earlier post, but I'm not going to go back over all these pages to check. On the 20/20 special, the box is taken down where they supposedly had the crime scene evidence stored. They show the journalist the tube the vaginal swab was in, unrefrigerated apparently for 30 years. On the side of the box it says, "Suspect Hennis". This is supposed to be crime scene evidence and samples from the bodies, yet they label the box with his name. Recently I watched the Death Row Stories episode again and noticed something I didn't before. They have a different box, but it is supposed to again be crime scene evidence and samples from the victims. On the side of the box it is clearly written in large letters "Hennis Homicide". I think the prejudice in that is blatant, as it should say Eastburn Homicide to my thinking.

If this is where they stored the samples, the boxes labeled that way tell me that the samples they took from Hennis are likely also in the same box. What an easy way to contaminate the evidence from the scene with samples from him. They said in the 2nd trial there was no semen sample left, yet they say they found 2 new ones 30 years later. I'm wondering if they took the saliva samples taken from him and mixed it in or just relabeled it as the vaginal swab, or contaminated it. They did something hinky in this. It's really scary how a group of humans can behave when they want to get someone. The thing is if they were ever caught having done something like that, they can just claim it was accidental contamination.

I have come to believe that the crime scene evidence and samples from victims need to be kept in separate facilities entirely from suspect samples or prison collected DNA material. And the people should not have access to one another, if that makes sense. For example, the clothing and biological tubes from the Eastburn house and victims should be in a lab in one building, and the blood and buccal swabs from Hennis and any other suspects, as well as blood/dna samples routinely taken from convicted criminals should be stored in a completely different building. People who work in Building A cannot have any access to material from Building B, and vice/versa. Nor shall police be able to check out evidence. They reveal the results of each other's testing, and computer results, but they can't physically handle each other's samples or evidence. This could really cut down on accidental contamination and deliberate planting of evidence. Now that DNA is such a lock, it is just too easy to make sure a suspects' dna appears on an incriminating piece of evidence for unscrupulous police and techs. Some may actually believe they are doing something noble if they truly believe the person is guilty.

I guess Cone has not been arrested again? If so just wondering if his DNA may now be on file and could be checked. Another question. I thought that in the original investigations and trials it was said that the semen and Hennis' blood type did not match. Am I mistaken about that? Because I haven't been able to reconcile that with them now saying the DNA matches if that was true.

I wish Whisnant would update his book and rerelease it.
I agree with your excellent points and feel suspicious of the DNA storage and labeling also.

No, you are not mistaken about Hennis blood type not being found in semen sample originally; the prosecution tried to say it was "masked" by the victim's blood type at the time....

Someone needs to come to Hennis ' aid. Strombaugh who was the expert on the MacDonald case said firmly that he found two sets of footprints near the master bed, and the back door. He also said there were at least two assailants as he could tell by the knife wounds coming from both left and right, and that multiple weapons were used (3-4). And he said the children were stabbed while sleeping, so they had not witnessed anything. It was pre-planned by at least two males. If Hennis felt he had to get rid of the children, he could have smothered them within seconds. Only a druggie or criminal or hit man would stab them multiple times and nearly decapitate them.

If Hennis came on to Mrs Eastburn and got upset at her rebuff, why on earth would he have brought multiple weapons and restraining cord with him? He knew Angela and the baby were due home, why do something like this ? I can see him maybe pushing himself on her, but to tie her up at knifepoint is the act of a criminal, pure and simple.

How do we know Patrick Cone did not see Hennis leave with the dog on Tuesday, and decide to frame him? The rest could have been embellished. Cone is a criminal, and I believe Julie may have had her hand in the whole thing as well. We know Mrs Eastburn got one crank call; Julie probably fabricated all the others.....

No one can commit such a slaughter and leave no trace of themselves and not even a speck of blood on their shoes or in their car.

Whisnant should update and help. Crooked labs and delusional prosecutors do not make the mind rest easy.
 
  • #525
I worked the case for the defense for 2 years 2008 to 2010. We are waiting on the military appeal decision. Really nothing to up date a book about. Cone's DNA was tested,no match. What most don't know is, that there is unknown DNA male full profile found on a towel, not Tim's, that has never been entered into CODIS

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  • #526
I worked the case for the defense for 2 years 2008 to 2010. We are waiting on the military appeal decision. Really nothing to up date a book about. Cone's DNA was tested,no match. What most don't know is, that there is unknown DNA male full profile found on a towel, not Tim's, that has never been entered into CODIS

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Oh, OK. Thank you. Can they enter it now? Can they test it? So Cone is definitely eliminated?

I would think, though, that no matter whose profile they found on the towel, they would still say that the DNA found in the victim belongs to Hennis and thus he is the killer. Unless anyone would buy the consensual sex theory, which is doubtful to say the least. Rather than him arguing about the military having had no jurisdiction to retry him, the DNA ought to be attacked. If not, he will always be viewed as the killer. When can Hennis go outside of Military appeals?
 
  • #527
This DNA has been known since 08, jag military wasn't interested in testing it, because since it does not match Tim their job they claim is not to chase killers

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  • #528
Judge Parrish denied 20 out of 22 DNA testing requests

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  • #529
  • #530
This DNA has been known since 08, jag military wasn't interested in testing it, because since it does not match Tim their job they claim is not to chase killers

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How can they get away with pinning it on Hennis in 2010???!!
 
  • #531
Judge Parrish denied 20 out of 22 DNA testing requests

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Why doesn't this get Hennis an appeal and overturn? What grounds did the Judge use?
 
  • #532
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  • #534
It sounds like the killers were the 2 people in the blue van or light colored van, the one that Kirby had to swerve to get around when delivering newspapers. At one point a neighbor actually came out to the van and talked to them IIRC. I think he said he only could see one of them but heard the other talking. I'm not clear on that as it's been awhile since I read about that. We have a description of one of them as the short, thin stringy haired male Kirby saw. This sounds like it would be related to the drug buy Julie was supposed to set up at the house. It seems like it was Friday or sometime that weekend it was supposed to take place, the very weekend of the murders but Julie's Mom wouldn't allow her to do it. I have also heard that Julie's stepbrothers may meet the description. I wonder if they were ever tested.

This business about them not submitting the DNA from the fingernails and towel to CODIS is unbelievable. What is the given reason? Does it not have enough markers to qualify? Or does it have to be submitted by request from the police department investigating the case? If that is true then I know why it hasn't been submitted.

Talk about making a murderer.
 
  • #535
The DNA is a full DNA profile. Julie knows more than she has ever told. Unlikely her brothers because they lived just down from the Eastburns so likely not driving. Kirby is dead but was scared. The video on my website speaks volumes

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  • #536
The DNA is a full DNA profile. Julie knows more than she has ever told. Unlikely her brothers because they lived just down from the Eastburns so likely not driving. Kirby is dead but was scared. The video on my website speaks volumes

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Thank you so much for the link. I am watching the video, and will watch more later as time allows. It is eerie to see the original footage from May 12, 1985‼️ Can barely describe why it is so eerie. How did you get this footage? Were you the interviewer? Julie seems suspect to me; she presents as a very strange person, and her mother is terrified lest she slip and prove she is involved. Very engrossing, my many kindest thanks.
 
  • #537
I was a Forensic consultant on the hennis case for 2 years, 08 to 2010

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  • #538
It sounds like the killers were the 2 people in the blue van or light colored van, the one that Kirby had to swerve to get around when delivering newspapers. At one point a neighbor actually came out to the van and talked to them IIRC. I think he said he only could see one of them but heard the other talking. I'm not clear on that as it's been awhile since I read about that. We have a description of one of them as the short, thin stringy haired male Kirby saw. This sounds like it would be related to the drug buy Julie was supposed to set up at the house. It seems like it was Friday or sometime that weekend it was supposed to take place, the very weekend of the murders but Julie's Mom wouldn't allow her to do it. I have also heard that Julie's stepbrothers may meet the description. I wonder if they were ever tested.

This business about them not submitting the DNA from the fingernails and towel to CODIS is unbelievable. What is the given reason? Does it not have enough markers to qualify? Or does it have to be submitted by request from the police department investigating the case? If that is true then I know why it hasn't been submitted.

Talk about making a murderer.
I agree; Hennis has been "made". I think the case goes back to Julie, if Patrick has really been eliminated (for argument's sake, he might have had an accomplice). The van people were likely connected to her via drugs or some kooky plan of hers. I really think Stombaugh 's theory in 1985 of Julie and a MacDonald hit coming from the mind of a 15 year old grandiose person with many pretensions OUGHT truly to have been probed relentlessly. If not this, then one of her drug set ups. Someone needs to crack Julie, to save Hennis.
 
  • #539
I was a Forensic consultant on the hennis case for 2 years, 08 to 2010

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That is fascinating. Thank you for your expert input.
 
  • #540
Oh this case is better than Steve Avery case by far.

The key thing about Julie is she was actually reading fatal vision the book about the Macdonald case when the Eastburns were murdered. In both cases a latex glove tip was found at the crime scenes

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