NC - Two Duke Lacrosse Players Indicted

[tipper]

A vaginal swab from the accuser did find genetic material from one "single male source," but that source was not any member of the lacrosse team, Chesire said.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/LegalCente...=1955746&page=1

Someone known to the police apparently.

Found this too.
http://www.gadsdentimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060512/APS/605121024&sectioncat=NEWS

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The "single male source" who matched the genetic material found on the vaginal swab take from the victim is named in the report on the second round of DNA tests, which were done at a private lab. Cheshire said the man "is known to the Durham police department" but he declined to give the man's name or comment on his relationship with the accuser.

"There is no indication that this man should have his name dragged through the mud," he said.

 

[jilly]

A vaginal swab from the accuser did find genetic material from one "single male source," but that source was not any member of the lacrosse team, Chesire said.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/LegalCente...=1955746&page=1

Someone known to the police apparently.

This sounds like the Cobey case all over again.

 

[tipper]

I'm beginning to wonder if this was a set-up all along. With or without the knowledge and cooperation of the "single male source."

 

[Sherlockmom]

>Cheshire said the man "is known to the Durham police department" but he declined to give the man's name or comment on his relationship with the accuser.

"There is no indication that this man should have his name dragged through the mud," he said



Well whadda ya know? I'm shocked I tell you just shocked!

If the man is "known to police" it would seem to me that a)he's a cop or b)he's a perp and the cops know him from past dealings. Perhaps a john or a pimp? Someone with a past criminal record? It's someone who may have had dealings with the police dept.

I'm wondering if there won't be lawsuits against the city brought by the boy's after all of this?

Sherlockmom

 

[BrendaStar]

It makes you wonder how Nifong is going to go forward with this case. Especially with this new evidence coming out that the only evidence of sex was with this person known to the police. It's beginning more and more to look like a set-up.

 

[tipper]

>Cheshire said the man "is known to the Durham police department" but he declined to give the man's name or comment on his relationship with the accuser.

"There is no indication that this man should have his name dragged through the mud," he said



Well whadda ya know? I'm shocked I tell you just shocked!

If the man is "known to police" it would seem to me that a)he's a cop or b)he's a perp and the cops know him from past dealings. Perhaps a john or a pimp? Someone with a past criminal record? It's someone who may have had dealings with the police dept.

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Sherlockmom

I thought that at first. But she could have told LE "I had sex with my boyfriend/client, Charles Darwin, before heading on over to the party.

I do hope if it is a set up, the families can recoup some of their legal fees. But I wouldn't bet on it.

 

[fran]

It makes you wonder how Nifong is going to go forward with this case. Especially with this new evidence coming out that the only evidence of sex was with this person known to the police. It's beginning more and more to look like a set-up.

IMHO,

DNA doesn't have each person's name or ID on it. After it didn't match any of the 'known alledged suspects,', imo, they must have checked it against a data base of already collected DNA samples. Which would give an indication this person, whoever it is, had already at one time given a sample of his DNA to LE for some reason.

Previous sexual offender?
Previous serious crimal offense? Felony of some sort? Previous prison time?

Good grief!

IF this turns out to be another false allegation, this woman will set back the clock of time for any woman wanting to claim 'rape!' in the eyes of LE.

JMHO
fran

 

[BrendaStar]

Previous sexual offender?
Previous serious crimal offense? Felony of some sort? Previous prison time?

Interesting, this person is known to the Duram police and is from that area.

 

[MSM]

Another possibility aside from a setup is that she was assaulted by another individual earlier in the evening (the one "known to police") and accused the Duke players to cover it up (maybe she is afraid of the person who really did assault her). I have been thinking for some time that what she did earlier that night was going to explain a lot.

 

[Wudge]

Interesting, this person is known to the Duram police and is from that area.

LE and prosecutors destroy lives, and they do it knowingly and maliciously.

In this case, the D.A., Michael Nifong, purposefully turned a deaf ear to exonerating evidence that one of the defense attorneys had in his possession. By willfully being deaf, dumb and blind to such evidence, Nifong was able to present only inculpatory evidence to the Grand jury. Thus, he was assurred of obtaining an indictment that would destroy two young men.

Only a fool would think that Nifong did not handle this case for political purposes and personal gain. At a minimum, he should be charged with maliciously obtaining an indictment through willful blindness, but nothing will happen to him.

Rather, Nifong will be looked upon as a hero by a large number of Durham citizens, and prosecutors across the state of NC will, yet again, see that anything goes in the pursuit of an indictment or conviction. Like Nancy Grace, indict and convict is all they care about. The truth matters not to them.

 

[BrendaStar]

In this case, the D.A., Michael Nifong, purposefully turned a deaf ear to exonerating evidence that one of the defense attorneys had in his possession. By willfully being deaf, dumb and blind to such evidence, Nifong was able to present only inculpatory evidence to the Grand jury. Thus, he was assurred of obtaining an indictment that would destroy two young men.

I can't believe that I actually agree with you Wudge. But I'm on the same page with this case. Nifong is still turning a deaf ear to the evidence with this new evidence of the "victim" having prior sexual contact that evening.

 

[Sherlockmom]

It was her boyfriend.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/LegalCenter/story?id=1958031&page=1

Sherlockmom

 

[Sherlockmom]

>I do hope if it is a set up, the families can recoup some of their legal fees. But I wouldn't bet on it.<


Maybe Jesse Jackson will offer to pay them.

Sherlockmom

 

[Sherlockmom]

As I was re-reading some of the articles the statement "was known to the police" may not have meant that this person was a criminal who had past dealings with LE. As i read further swabs from this man were taken previously after the LaCrosse players were already charged. So LE already knew that she had a boyfriend and took DNA from him. This is just the first we are hearing about it. May explain the "previously known" statement.


My guess as to what happened? Fight with boyfriend. He may or may not have roughed her up a bit. Whatever the case, sexual contact occurred with him. She arrives 1/2 late to her job assignment, dropped off by said boyfriend, either already drunk/drugged. Too enebriated or incapacitated to perform her duties at the party the boys get angry and kick the dancers out. Angry words are exchanged. She begs to be let back in/wants to be paid. Boys refuse to pay her full fee. She has to go back to her employer with less cash then was expected and drunk as well. Fearing loss of her job she concocts the rape story.

I would not be surprised at all if her boyfriend turns out to be abusive towards her and both with a drug/alchohol problem. She has a past history of drug and alchohol abuse. If the boyfriend was the one who dropped her off at the party he certainly knew what she did for a living.

I find the statement by the police however that there was no need to drag this boyfriend's name into the mud curious. If he was the one who drove her to the party he would indeed be a witness in this case and most likely called to testify so I would find that a very curious statement to make. The police must have looked into who dropped her off as they are a potential witness. Who was it? Did she have a fight with the boyfriend, then go out drinking and had someone else drop her off at the party? I find the fact that there seems to be no mention of who this person was to be curious. They would have been a witness to her state of sobriety before the party as well as possible knowledge as to where she was, what she was doing and what she may have said.

Sherlockmom

 

[tipper]

>I do hope if it is a set up, the families can recoup some of their legal fees. But I wouldn't bet on it.<


Maybe Jesse Jackson will offer to pay them.

Sherlockmom

snort

 

[mic730]

I have a question about the arcylic fingernail with the possible/inconclusive/match to one player that is not arrested at this point. It seems the reports are conflicting and that this is a not a 100% conclusive match.
My question is about the chain of cusotdy on this fingernail. The defense says that when the players were contacted they retrieved the fingernails from the trash and gave them to Durham police. Is that not a problem for chain of custody? Why was the house not searched immediatley after the accusers rape exam? Waiting I believe it was 48 hours to search the house and then letting residents of the house hand over critical evidence like a fingernail seems to me to be very sloppy investigative work. Can't it be argued that the DNA was transfered from handling of the nails by the players?

 

[Sherlockmom]

> Can't it be argued that the DNA was transfered from handling of the nails by the players?



Yes but even a bigger problem is the fact that they were sitting in a bathroom trash can that also, according to reports, contained tissues, q-tips and other material deposited there from the men that were living at the house. These types of fingernails have a sticky surface on one side and it's more than likely that they picked up other DNA while sitting in the bathroom trash for two days.

The only value this evidence had is for media spin, nothing more.

Sherlockmom

 

[mic730]

> Can't it be argued that the DNA was transfered from handling of the nails by the players?



Yes but even a bigger problem is the fact that they were sitting in a bathroom trash can that also, according to reports, contained tissues, q-tips and other material deposited there from the men that were living at the house. These types of fingernails have a sticky surface on one side and it's more than likely that they picked up other DNA while sitting in the bathroom trash for two days.

The only value this evidence had is for media spin, nothing more.

Sherlockmom

Yes, that is a big problem!

 

[Wudge]

I have a question about the arcylic fingernail with the possible/inconclusive/match to one player that is not arrested at this point. It seems the reports are conflicting and that this is a not a 100% conclusive match.
My question is about the chain of cusotdy on this fingernail. The defense says that when the players were contacted they retrieved the fingernails from the trash and gave them to Durham police. Is that not a problem for chain of custody? Why was the house not searched immediatley after the accusers rape exam? Waiting I believe it was 48 hours to search the house and then letting residents of the house hand over critical evidence like a fingernail seems to me to be very sloppy investigative work. Can't it be argued that the DNA was transfered from handling of the nails by the players?

The second set of DNA tests on the specimen obtained from the fake fingernail is said to only be "consistent" (not conclusive) with an unnamed lacrosse player. That player is not one of the two players who were indicted by the Grand Jury.

Like the first set of DNA results, these DNA results also favor the defense in a huge way.

 

[LaMer]

The second set of DNA tests on the specimen obtained from the fake fingernail is said to only be "consistent" (not conclusive) with an unnamed lacrosse player. That player is not one of the two players who were indicted by the Grand Jury.

Like the first set of DNA results, these DNA results also favor the defense in a huge way.

Also the 'unnamed lacrosse player', whose DNA was said to be "consistent" (not conclusive), is also a resident of the house. Not sure I read that here, but it was on the news today.