NC vs. Raven Abaroa ~ the Trial 3

[FallingStars]

I want to say I heard eight men four women somewhere ... which bothered me because I think men will be less likely to convict based on no smoking gun type of hard evidence.

 

[tarheellvr]

I'm afraid the jury is buying it.
I asked a couple of weeks ago if anybody knew the makeup of the jury, men vs women, white vs black. No response back then, anybody know now?

I surely hope not! I've wondered about the makeup of this jury myself.

All kidding aside.....I'm really afraid he's gonna get away with this.....I hope my fears are unfounded.

 

[FallingStars]

IN the LDS Church, there is no qualifications to be a marriage & family teacher. You get a calling to do it, and it's a volunteer position, and you do not need to have any qualifications. Having six kids that you home school and living on a compound doesn't qualify you to know anything about marriage and family counseling. I know many people that have taught the class in the LDS Church.

Who said she was qualified to give conjecture on the couple? She's going to give her opinion, but that doesn't make her a licensed therapist or anything.

 

[gracielee]

So are they done for the day, anyone know?

 

[gracielee]

I surely hope not! I've wondered about the makeup of this jury myself.

All kidding aside.....I'm really afraid he's gonna get away with this.....I hope my fears are unfounded.

I fear that same thing.

 

[NCEast]

I want to say I heard eight men four women somewhere ... which bothered me because I think men will be less likely to convict based on no smoking gun type of hard evidence.

Darn, I agree with your point about the men and no smoking gun.

 

[NCEast]

IN the LDS Church, there is no qualifications to be a marriage & family teacher. You get a calling to do it, and it's a volunteer position, and you do not need to have any qualifications. Having six kids that you home school and living on a compound doesn't qualify you to know anything about marriage and family counseling. I know many people that have taught the class in the LDS Church.

I was in a BAD marriage when my children were babies. The LDS missionaries just knocked on my door one day and that was the beginning of my love of the LDS church. I joined because they are so family oriented and children centered....stuff I was not getting in my marriage. I was excommunicated about a year later because I just couldn't live up to their standards. I respect their clean style of living and how they take care of their own and the members of their churches. I didn't mind being excommunicated but I still feel a disappointment in myself for not being able to maintain all the good that their religion calls for. Coca Cola was one of my pitfalls.

 

[FallingStars]

I had a college friend who was married and living in the same ward (church boundaries) in Fredericksburg. She was very adamant about R's innocence at first. Because she'd interacted w/him at church, seen him and J together in person. (It was only after I had her check out all of the info on the murder that she has changed her mind).

Do not flame me for this:

Some people have what I'd refer to as 'the gift of influence' ... they can persuade you to talk to them, to open up to them, to feel like you know them, and they you. If I was going to classify it, I'd say it's sort of a sixth sense type of talent. I've only ever spent time with two people who had this trait, and both times I caught myself reviewing the conversation in my head later and wondering how they got me to tell them 'x,y,z' when that hadn't been my intention at all.

It's possible he exerts that type of influence over people that he interacts with in person. (I think the trick to avoid it is knowing what you're looking for, so to speak. Once you've encountered it, you know to guard against it ... but if you've lived a sheltered life, you won't know to protect yourself from it).

 

[NCEast]

I surely hope not! I've wondered about the makeup of this jury myself.

All kidding aside.....I'm really afraid he's gonna get away with this.....I hope my fears are unfounded.

I began having the fear that he is going to get away with it just a few days into the trial. We can only hope and pray that the prosecution will find the passion and wherewithal to drive home the major points in their closing so that the jury is left with those nasty images of RA when they begin their deliberations.

 

[NCEast]

I had a college friend who was married and living in the same ward (church boundaries) in Fredericksburg. She was very adamant about R's innocence at first. Because she'd interacted w/him at church, seen him and J together in person. (It was only after I had her check out all of the info on the murder that she has changed her mind).

Do not flame me for this:

Some people have what I'd refer to as 'the gift of influence' ... they can persuade you to talk to them, to open up to them, to feel like you know them, and they you. If I was going to classify it, I'd say it's sort of a sixth sense type of talent. I've only ever spent time with two people who had this trait, and both times I caught myself reviewing the conversation in my head later and wondering how they got me to tell them 'x,y,z' when that hadn't been my intention at all.

It's possible he exerts that type of influence over people that he interacts with in person. (I think the trick to avoid it is knowing what you're looking for, so to speak. Once you've encountered it, you know to guard against it ... but if you've lived a sheltered life, you won't know to protect yourself from it).

Good post, good thoughts.

 

[FallingStars]

NCEast,

I'm a convert to the LDS religion, as well. My mom and I joined at the same time, but not the rest of our family. As far as I know, Coke isn't against the Word of Wisdom (anyone that tells you otherwise is basing it on LDS Culture and not LDS doctrine). This is coming from a Coke drinker. (I have a love affair with caffeine ... or more like a love/hate relationship ... sometimes we break up ... sometimes we make up!)

 

[FallingStars]

I've been skimming over the comments section of the articles on WRAL about the case. And I keep running into people here and there that say things like they'd not convict if there was no hard evidence. One guy said he'd not convict this man just because 'his wife's friends didn't like him' ... which sort of made me think the commenter was a jerk whose wife's friends didn't like HIM either! The more masculine POV seems to lean in the direction of letting him go ... even tho there is no other evidence to prove someone else was there/could have done it. The absence of a rock solid case makes many people leery to convict.

 

[NCEast]

NCEast,

I'm a convert to the LDS religion, as well. My mom and I joined at the same time, but not the rest of our family. As far as I know, Coke isn't against the Word of Wisdom (anyone that tells you otherwise is basing it on LDS Culture and not LDS doctrine). This is coming from a Coke drinker. (I have a love affair with caffeine ... or more like a love/hate relationship ... sometimes we break up ... sometimes we make up!)

Caffeine, did I spell that right, was prohibited when I was struggling with living right. I love my coffee too. My mom wouldn't speak to me for the duration I attended because she thought it was a cult, much like the Jim Jones mess in Guyana that happened around the same time. You are lucky in that your mom also joined. I still remember much of the tenets of the church, the angel Moroni, Joseph Smith, etc. My missionaries were excellent teachers and I loved the idea of Jesus appearing in the US, etc. after his resurrection. Who can say it didn't happen. My mom. She's dead now, Baptist all the way, but she did finally apologize to me several years later.

 

[NCEast]

I've been skimming over the comments section of the articles on WRAL about the case. And I keep running into people here and there that say things like they'd not convict if there was no hard evidence. One guy said he'd not convict this man just because 'his wife's friends didn't like him' ... which sort of made me think the commenter was a jerk whose wife's friends didn't like HIM either! The more masculine POV seems to lean in the direction of letting him go ... even tho there is no other evidence to prove someone else was there/could have done it. The absence of a rock solid case makes many people leery to convict.

There is an unwritten law that goes like this .. "it's better to let a guilty man go free than to lock one up who is innocent'. Close enough, but I'm really afraid that's going to be the mindset of the jury since there just isn't any hard evidence. If he is found not guilty, we may very well hear his name in the news again some day.

 

[FallingStars]

Caffeine, did I spell that right, was prohibited when I was struggling with living right. I love my coffee too. My mom wouldn't speak to me for the duration I attended because she thought it was a cult, much like the Jim Jones mess in Guyana that happened around the same time. You are lucky in that your mom also joined. I still remember much of the tenets of the church, the angel Moroni, Joseph Smith, etc. My missionaries were excellent teachers and I loved the idea of Jesus appearing in the US, etc. after his resurrection. Who can say it didn't happen. My mom. She's dead now, Baptist all the way, but she did finally apologize to me several years later.

I'm glad your mom did apologize to you. I don't think it's right to ostricize ppl for choosing a religion/faith different than your own. My Gma refused to come to the baptisms when Mom and I were baptized. Said it was a cult. Wouldn't come. And years later told everyone she didn't come because we didn't invite her (not true!). She liked to bend the truth to get ppl on her side, in her later years, my Gma.
Coffee is still against the Word of Wisdom. (I don't think it's caffeine ... however it's spelled ... I think there's got to be some other ingredient in coffee that must not be good for you ... because I've never head anyone say soda was banned ... granted you offer a Dr. Pepper in church and half the ward will think you're crazy and a heathen and the other half will ask if you have more than one can!). I know Tea is also a no-go. But we can drink herbal tea (which is stuff w/out the tanic/tea leaves). I will admit that I miss my iced tea (growing up we drank it by the gallons!) ... tea has a certain aftertaste that you just can't replicate in non-tea.
What caught our attention, Mom's and mine, was the idea of forever families, that we could be a family always ... meant a lot to us, considering she lost a child between my bro and me, and almost lost me as well. It sort of uplifts your heart, to know you'll see the people you love again. (we'd lost a few other close relatives before we met the missionaries ... so family was heavily on our mind ... and the idea of seeing them again was relief and peace to us).
Sorry for the soapbox!

 

[tarheellvr]

all this "talk" of RA going free is making me ill....am going to go get my mind on something else.

see you all tomorrow.......

 

[NCEast]

I'm glad your mom did apologize to you. I don't think it's right to ostricize ppl for choosing a religion/faith different than your own. My Gma refused to come to the baptisms when Mom and I were baptized. Said it was a cult. Wouldn't come. And years later told everyone she didn't come because we didn't invite her (not true!). She liked to bend the truth to get ppl on her side, in her later years, my Gma.
Coffee is still against the Word of Wisdom. (I don't think it's caffeine ... however it's spelled ... I think there's got to be some other ingredient in coffee that must not be good for you ... because I've never head anyone say soda was banned ... granted you offer a Dr. Pepper in church and half the ward will think you're crazy and a heathen and the other half will ask if you have more than one can!). I know Tea is also a no-go. But we can drink herbal tea (which is stuff w/out the tanic/tea leaves). I will admit that I miss my iced tea (growing up we drank it by the gallons!) ... tea has a certain aftertaste that you just can't replicate in non-tea.
What caught our attention, Mom's and mine, was the idea of forever families, that we could be a family always ... meant a lot to us, considering she lost a child between my bro and me, and almost lost me as well. It sort of uplifts your heart, to know you'll see the people you love again. (we'd lost a few other close relatives before we met the missionaries ... so family was heavily on our mind ... and the idea of seeing them again was relief and peace to us).
Sorry for the soapbox!

Yes! The forever family was a huge thing for me too. My children were babies and so precious and dear to me that I loved the idea of always being together. Well, I still do now. That family element of the church was the draw for me and I've never attended any other denomination that taught the values and preciousness of family like the LDS church does.
I am so sorry about your grandmother. She and my mom were on the same rail.

 

[terminatrixator]

Well the same people posting on WRAL posted during the Brad Cooper trial and the Jason Young trial. These are the same people that post the same thing, just because he's a cad, just because he had an affair, just because he lied or stole doesn't make him a murderer.

There was nobody in that home but Raven. Two people that had a long distance friendship with Raven & Janet and their sweetness doesn't mean that Raven didn't kill Janet. Her last comments before the feed went made it sound like Raven was staying there a long time. He was there only a few days, a few days....just enough time to get enough people to feel sorry for him. He had to go house to house, he stayed with Church members and the Dowds after the murder, he stayed at his sister-in-laws after the murder, he stayed with with Foxleys for a few nights and then back to his sister-in-laws, he went to his in-laws home then they packed up and headed off to Utah, it was what a few weeks.

There is no weapon, no lap top, the only person who would take those two things are Raven.

Are people forgetting that Raven told people she was found dead in bed, dead on the bedroom floor, she committed suicide, that she was hot, she was cold, that she said to him "why does it hurt so bad", that he tried to save her that he gave her a blessing.

$500k life insurance policy when the church was giving them food. He admitted to one affair with Janet at the beginning of their marriage... They were married in 2000~~!~~~ The affair with Jennifer Walker, Jennifer Dawson, the time with Annabelle were not included, these are the ones that we know about, there were many more that didn't even bother to come forward.

Raven liking her donuts doesn't make him innocent.

 

[Pocono Sleuther]

Hi everyone. Can one of you give me a link to trial vid? I need to catch up. I followed Janet's case from the beginning but life tossed me a curve ball so I haven't had time to trial watch. Feels good to be back to ws. Hope life can settle down for me now. It's been a rough few months. Tia!

 

[terminatrixator]

NO live feed atm - Here's today's testimony so far though:

http://www.wral.com/news/local/asset_gallery/12471037/

Actually edited to say to watch from the beginning you can use this link:

http://www.wral.com/news/local/page/1088329/?navkeyword=abaroa