ND - Several bodies found at Mandan business, 1 April 2019 *Arrest* #2

[Tillicum]

What if he was renting the trailer and had done maintenance on it himself and expected to be reimbursed but RJR wouldn't agree to reimbursement?

 

[Jabarn]

Probably not the case but I wonder on the flip side if he wanted to move his trailer. I know of places, not in ND, that make that very difficult to do.

Some time back I called on one (in a different state) that was a decent price and we had interest in it as a rental. I was told by the young girl that I could not rent it, I could not move it and I had to be approved by the "trailer court" owners and had to live in it. I also read the reviews and they were not great of the owners. It could only be bought outright and the unit had to stay there for five years. We would have purchased it but not never ever under those kinds of terms.

I felt for her, she had bought it, moving to a new area on her own with a child so she could go to school and she was young. It was not working out, she had no backup nor family and she wanted out of the deal. The last I knew she kept lowering the price to no avail. I have no idea what kind of loss she or possibly her folks had to pay to get out of it or in fact if she ever did.

Very unlikely I realize, but I am as frustrated with trying to determine the motive as anyone else and I thought perhaps I am looking at it backwards and rather than him being evicted or not having the rent, he wants out and to move his residence and office or sell the residence and they did not approve a buyer or were making it difficult to get out of a lease?

If moving it, that is expensive enough without owing months or years of lot rent to get out of it.

Unlikely, I know, but it does happen... Just a thought...

All we know for sure that ties CI to the RJR Property and Management is his trailer. RJR was the company he paid rent.

There is a story, and it might be something like what you describe, chili. We shall see.

 

[NickoD]

OT but did we lose Nick from this thread/ WS?

Looking for me? Just been busier than normal lately.

 

[mrstfs]

Looking for me? Just been busier than normal lately.

Haha, yes but I can’t recall what I was going to ask you.

 

[Kyshoegal]

Has anyone heard/read/seen anything about CI's family? I mean even the father and brother showed up at the hearing for the Closs kidnapping. They were mortified and embarrassed but they showed up. I have seen no mention of parents, siblings but maybe I've missed it

 

[NumbersGal0906]

Hmm...so there is something about the call that is more than just reporting the heart-attack?]

Interesting. There is something in that 911 call that gives some specific information that LE doesn't want released yet. I wonder what it is.

I agree with you PrairieWind. And I have to ask, has it been confirmed anywhere that there were no (surviving) witnesses to the murders? Would they had to have released that in the probable cause affidavit if there were? Is there any way to get an actual transcript of the bit of the call that they did release between dispatch & EMT? If they did provide a transcript, would the tiny part that’s inaudible be printed as “inaudible?” Sorry for my ignorance, I don’t know how these things work.

From the very beginning my ears have refused to hear anything anyone else suggested was being said in that tiny blip that is inaudible, all I keep hearing is “one with trauma en route.” I can think of two different scenarios where there could have been a surviving witness. Could this be why they are withholding the call? Which in turn withholds the name of the person who placed the call? I’m probably way off base. But could that be part of what everyone does not want known yet?

 

[John d]

Has anyone heard/read/seen anything about CI's family? I mean even the father and brother showed up at the hearing for the Closs kidnapping. They were mortified and embarrassed but they showed up. I have seen no mention of parents, siblings but maybe I've missed it

Has anyone heard/read/seen anything about CI's family? I mean even the father and brother showed up at the hearing for the Closs kidnapping. They were mortified and embarrassed but they showed up. I have seen no mention of parents, siblings but maybe I've missed it

I live in the same town as his father and i have heard nothing. Just found out today ci was an only child, his parents dicorced many years ago. His father is remarried and has high school aged children now. No idea where his mother ended up.

 

[mrstfs]

Probably not the case but I wonder on the flip side if he wanted to move his trailer. I know of places, not in ND, that make that very difficult to do.

Some time back I called on one (in a different state) that was a decent price and we had interest in it as a rental. I was told by the young girl that I could not rent it, I could not move it and I had to be approved by the "trailer court" owners and had to live in it. I also read the reviews and they were not great of the owners. It could only be bought outright and the unit had to stay there for five years. We would have purchased it but not never ever under those kinds of terms.

I felt for her, she had bought it, moving to a new area on her own with a child so she could go to school and she was young. It was not working out, she had no backup nor family and she wanted out of the deal. The last I knew she kept lowering the price to no avail. I have no idea what kind of loss she or possibly her folks had to pay to get out of it or in fact if she ever did.

Very unlikely I realize, but I am as frustrated with trying to determine the motive as anyone else and I thought perhaps I am looking at it backwards and rather than him being evicted or not having the rent, he wants out and to move his residence and office or sell the residence and they did not approve a buyer or were making it difficult to get out of a lease?

If moving it, that is expensive enough without owing months or years of lot rent to get out of it.

Unlikely, I know, but it does happen... Just a thought...

I just watched an episode of This Week Tonight with John Oliver that aired last Sunday and included a segment on trailer parks. The show described similar info to what you posted. The episode was especially chilling because of what happened in this case... (I won’t go into details.)

Others have said this also but I’m wondering if the motive is going to turn out to be something like a combination of seriously mentally disturbed/felt slighted.

 

[PastTense]

Was there anything distinctive about the pickup? Bumper stickers, rust, advertising message? North Dakota would have thousands of F-150 pickups.

 

[John d]

Was there anything distinctive about the pickup? Bumper stickers, rust, advertising message? North Dakota would have thousands of F-150 pickups.

If i remember right big rust spot on rear quarterpanel

 

[Rocco]

Was there anything distinctive about the pickup? Bumper stickers, rust, advertising message? North Dakota would have thousands of F-150 pickups.

Yes, there was something about rust on the pick up. Plus, they pretty much followed this particular pick up from the scene of the crime to Washburn via surveillance tapes along the way.

 

[katydid23]

I live in the same town as his father and i have heard nothing. Just found out today ci was an only child, his parents dicorced many years ago. His father is remarried and has high school aged children now. No idea where his mother ended up.

Did I read back at the start of this case that he was adopted? I may be getting my cases mixed up but I saw that somewhere. Might not be this case though

 

[human]

Probably not the case but I wonder on the flip side if he wanted to move his trailer. I know of places, not in ND, that make that very difficult to do.

Some time back I called on one (in a different state) that was a decent price and we had interest in it as a rental. I was told by the young girl that I could not rent it, I could not move it and I had to be approved by the "trailer court" owners and had to live in it. I also read the reviews and they were not great of the owners. It could only be bought outright and the unit had to stay there for five years. We would have purchased it but not never ever under those kinds of terms.

I felt for her, she had bought it, moving to a new area on her own with a child so she could go to school and she was young. It was not working out, she had no backup nor family and she wanted out of the deal. The last I knew she kept lowering the price to no avail. I have no idea what kind of loss she or possibly her folks had to pay to get out of it or in fact if she ever did.

Very unlikely I realize, but I am as frustrated with trying to determine the motive as anyone else and I thought perhaps I am looking at it backwards and rather than him being evicted or not having the rent, he wants out and to move his residence and office or sell the residence and they did not approve a buyer or were making it difficult to get out of a lease?

If moving it, that is expensive enough without owing months or years of lot rent to get out of it.

Unlikely, I know, but it does happen... Just a thought...

I think in Minnesota a trailer cannot be moved. It screws up the wiring. But this info was a few years ago. Other states may have the sane rules

 

[ilovechili]

I think in Minnesota a trailer cannot be moved. It screws up the wiring. But this info was a few years ago. Other states may have the sane rules

I have seen more than one moved and it is a pretty big undertaking, but far from impossible, and not so uncommon. People buy land and buy a new or used one and put them on, buy them new and place them, move from one trailer court to another. There are services that both move and set them.

I honestly have not heard of them not being able to be moved due to wiring, that is a new one to me but I suppose different states do vary.

In what I was talking about, it somewhat traps the owner and allows the trailer court to be guaranteed at least five years of lot rent, etc. The girl I talked about previously was well and truly stuck. It was an affordable option to her at the time but when she wanted out, there were few options. If I could have rented it out, even if I had to leave it on site and even if the renters had to be approved by the park, I would have bought it, but they nixed that option as well, even though they themselves rented units to people. Five years is a long time and much can happen, deaths, change of jobs, divorce--it seems pretty unfair to lock something in that long. If one buys a house and has a mortgage, at least one can always rent it if it cannot be sold.

Anyhow, it is probably not the case here but it is a thought. Perhaps if his practice was not doing so well he planned a move...

 

[VTHOMM]

Too many "what ifs" Evidently, CI is a lost soul and something finally triggered an excuse within himself to take horrific revenge.

 

[NervousNellie]

I just watched an episode of This Week Tonight with John Oliver that aired last Sunday and included a segment on trailer parks. The show described similar info to what you posted. The episode was especially chilling because of what happened in this case... (I won’t go into details.)

Others have said this also but I’m wondering if the motive is going to turn out to be something like a combination of seriously mentally disturbed/felt slighted.

I thought of this North Dakota case the entire time I was listening to John Oliver's report on mobile home parks. So my thought process was clearly leaning that direction as I watched John Oliver's show... The lot where CI's trailer was located recently (within a year and a half?) sold to new owners; maybe they increased the rent significantly? And CI blamed RJR since they were the ones collecting?? But if that was the case, it seems we'd be hearing from other tenants?? (This is all wild speculation.)

Edited to delete off topic stuff.

 

[JudgeJudi]

Hmm...so there is something about the call that is more than just reporting the heart-attack?

I think the married couple (or one person of the married couple) was the intended target. They were in the office. I think CI went directly to the office, killed them, and as he exited, he encountered the other two in the shop area. Perhaps they confronted him (I'm sure the owner would), but CI had weapons so they didn't have a chance. Speculation only.

jmo

That's my feeling too. As the Cobbs were both in the office, even if one was the target, it would make sense that CI would attack the other one as well.

 

[ilovechili]

I thought of this North Dakota case the entire time I was listening to John Oliver's report on mobile home parks. So my thought process was clearly leaning that direction as I watched John Oliver's show... The lot where CI's trailer was located recently (within a year and a half?) sold to new owners; maybe they increased the rent significantly? And CI blamed RJR since they were the ones collecting?? But if that was the case, it seems we'd be hearing from other tenants?? (This is all wild speculation.)

Edited to delete off topic stuff.

I may have to look up that report if it is available online.

I keep coming back to April 1st. It just is such a time with rentals. Rent due, rent increase notices, utility bills that may have been put off and adding up, moving in, moving out, eviction notices (many do not evict during the winter and/or are required not to), this would be the first winter RJR managed right? RJR was targeted.

They are in Mandan, he is in his town with his business and home a fair distance away. The only likely connection seems to be that they managed this property. Logic says the answer/motive lies there in some respect. He also planned, at least since the day before and maybe longer...

 

[JudgeJudi]

I feel like it might be either the state of one of the victims or it’s someone reporting the name of the suspect and they want to avoid tainting a jury. Not sure and JMO

Perhaps the victim being given CPR told the person who made the 911 call something CI said before he passed away which could relate to motive. A motive isn't necessary but it would certainly be nice to know what it was. Not knowing makes me want to tear my hair out.

 

[NervousNellie]

I may have to look up that report if it is available online.

I keep coming back to April 1st. It just is such a time with rentals. Rent due, rent increase notices, utility bills that may have been put off and adding up, moving in, moving out, eviction notices (many do not evict during the winter and/or are required not to), this would be the first winter RJR managed right? RJR was targeted.

They are in Mandan, he is in his town with his business and home a fair distance away. The only likely connection seems to be that they managed this property. Logic says the answer/motive lies there in some respect. He also planned, at least since the day before and maybe longer...

RBBM
Here is a link to the report: