neighbors being questioned about handyman

[Chewy]

The things that don't add up for me about this being an abductor or a accidental death is that there is no smell of death in the house. An overdose on a baby wouldn't be noticed for a while, because the goal is to get the child to go to sleep so once it appeared the child was sleeping there would be no reason to keep checking. Thus the smell of death would set in. The dogs would detect it.

Unless the homeless drifter was completely crazy he would not go into someone's home and turn on all the lights and take a baby. It would be different if the point of entry was the baby's room but to go all the way in is just weird. Unless this person planned to kill the entire family if woken up but that doesn't make any sense.

It could be a crazy woman pretending she's pregnant and stealing a baby. Who knows, stranger things have happened.

But at this point this seems to me to be a weird situation and that the husband wants out of the relationship.

 

[katydid23]

The drifter in the Kienan case while he did have a previous charge in his teens for inappropriate sexual behaviour with children was not on the LE radar because of that. Probably because it was 25 years prior. He was on their radar for another attempted abduction of a foster child. He told LE that he was going to be paid by the child's real parents for bringing him to them. Now I doubt LE believed that story, and he does have mental issues but he apparently didn't harm Kienan, returned him when his name was flashed all over the airwaves and said he has "a story to tell". We'll have to wait until trial to find out what his story is.

Is it possible that traffickers are targeting these drifters who have no problem breaking into homes for petty theft with promises of cash to steal children? I believe the figure given by the guy in BC was $2800. Anything is possible I suppose.

How a homeless drifter would be able to go into a house, walk around turning on lights, tamper with a window and steal a child without leaving any trace of themselves would be my reasoning for thinking it couldn't have been him though.

MOO

BBM
I think it would have been easy for him to enter the house, as he was rumored to be a petty burglar for awhile. And he was staying ,off and on,right across the street. The perfect vantage point, imo.

We do not know IF he was the one who turned the lights on. Perhaps one of the boys did when they changed beds in the middle of the night. Or maybe mom forgot to turn them off, seeing as she forgot to lock the door or close the window. Maybe she opened the box-o-wine earlier and was too tired to check things out before she went to sleep.

And it would be fairly easy to steal a sleeping infant w/out leaving DNA or fingerprints. If he had gloves and a hoodie on, then he might not have left anything behind at all. He would not have to touch anything, just scoop her up and go. imoo

 

[katydid23]

So far and my info is limited on Jersey but, it seems he has a rap sheet (void of any kind of pedophile-like charges), drinks and occasionally looks for work in residential neighborhoods...not exactly who I would say was targeting an "infant"...?

I don't think we know enough about him to know if he was a budding pedophile. He could have been sitting behind closed doors across the street and watching the family and the kids for weeks as far as we know.

 

[In da Middle]

Sometimes there are no warning signs for pedophiles. They can either have not been caught in their escalating behavior, or the first time they come to LE's attention is the first time they've tried something. Unfortunately, we can't always go by the priors on a rap sheet to predict behavior.

That is so true. They always have a 1st time. Most are probably not caught on the 1st time. I think I am more afraid of the unconvicted sex offenders than the convicted ones.

 

[miabellamoure]

So far and my info is limited on Jersey but, it seems he has a rap sheet (void of any kind of pedophile-like charges), drinks and occasionally looks for work in residential neighborhoods...not exactly who I would say was targeting an "infant"...?

bbm

To those who were looking for a link to a "rap sheet" on Jersey...the key word in my post was "seems" and what might or might not be in his rap sheet was purely speculation on my part & others who've posted regarding it.

If my post violated any need for back up of a link...mod's please feel free to zap my post!

As to those who speculate on what might or might not be typical behavior of a person who may or may not have a rap sheet void of prior pedophile history...it is just "my" speculation that it would seem as though from what has been speculated already on Jersey's behavior that it didn't seem likely...but, I have definitely known to be wrong before and that is why I am not completely off of the fence just yet...but, I am predicting a launch off soon...very soon. :-/

 

[Pensfan]

If Jersey had been arrested previously on some pedo charge, the police would have plastered his photo all over the tv, newspapers, and internet and provided several long news conferences about how they need everyone's help to find him. None of these things have occurred, so Jersey obviously doesn't have any previous child endangerment charges.

 

[Pensfan]

That is so true. They always have a 1st time. Most are probably not caught on the 1st time. I think I am more afraid of the unconvicted sex offenders than the convicted ones.

There are always warning signs for pedos. Sadly, many people don't see them.


Common traits of pedophiles:
*
• Usually an adult male
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• Often appears to be hard-working and family-oriented
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• Tends to be better educated and more religious (on the surface) that the average person
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• Tends to be well-liked by parents and children; a pedophile teacher is often one of the most popular teachers in school
*

• They actively seek children who are quiet, needy, or have problems at home
*
• They also lavish attention on children they don't abuse, to build a sense of trust by parents and other students
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• They find ways to be alone with children; for instance, music teachers or coaches often are in a position to give individual attention to students. In one case, a pedophile teacher volunteered to direct the school's computer center, because the door was always locked to prevent theft
*
• They usually accomplish molestation by gradual seduction, not sudden coercion
*

*http://www.showandtellforparents.com/wfdata/frame156-1002/pressrel46.asp

Add to this: They usually have another paraphilia (voyeurism and/or exhibitionism are common).

 

[Pensfan]

More signs:

-Shows an unusual intense interest in children and child activities
-Has limited or no peer relationships
-Refers to children as his/her friends
-Is overly generous with time and gifts with children
-Takes lots of photos/videos of children

 

[Cher352]

According to this map

http://www.spotcrime.com/crime/23836353-bdd08271ce9f5fdab38f85a18632cdc1

There was a vehicle stolen in the area on Oct 5th - I don't see that it has the time etc or any other info though

Very interesting....wonder if LE has found that car by now? If not I hope they are actively searching for it....it could very well be tied in.

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

Per the video linked above, "Jersey" has resided for a time in a halfway house.

What are those for? This is what they are for in Missouri, including Kansas City, Missouri:
http://www.kccommunityctr.org/correctionsprograms.php

Halfway houses are frequently used to help people transition from life in a psychiatric ward to independent or semi-independent living. People I know who have lived in halfway houses include individuals with autism, MR, substance abuse problems, and PTSD. :waitasec:

 

[In da Middle]

Originally Posted by linda505 [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7231390#post7231390"]

[/ame]
According to this map

http://www.spotcrime.com/crime/23836...8f85a18632cdc1

There was a vehicle stolen in the area on Oct 5th - I don't see that it has the time etc or any other info though
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https://www.crimereports.com/
States reported at 6:32 am
A full day after reported, but ya never know....

 

[momtective]

Halfway houses are frequently used to help people transition from life in a psychiatric ward to independent or semi-independent living. People I know who have lived in halfway houses include individuals with autism, MR, substance abuse problems, and PTSD. :waitasec:

People I know who have lived in halfway house have just been released from prison. :giggle:

 

[Cher352]

According to this map

http://www.spotcrime.com/crime/23836353-bdd08271ce9f5fdab38f85a18632cdc1

There was a vehicle stolen in the area on Oct 5th - I don't see that it has the time etc or any other info though

Very interesting....wonder if LE has found that car by now? If not I hope they are actively searching for it....it could very well be tied in.

Whoa....

Spotlight.com list the car stolen on Oct 5th from 40XX N. Walrond Ave.
http://www.spotcrime.com/crime/23836353-bdd08271ce9f5fdab38f85a18632cdc1

That is the same street JI's parents live on per this article:
http://www.kcci.com/r/29438812/detail.html


Coincidence or Not?

 

[marge_rita]

:razz:

lolol:floorlaugh: That's the funniest smilie ever.

 

[marge_rita]

I'm not willing to dismiss this guy just yet. I know a lot of you, including NG think it's beyond far fetched that he be involved. I can't understand why..

Sounds like he's a roamer.. jobless, with a criminal history, houses were broken into and things missing suddenly a few months before. He's thrown from the bar for being an @ss.. He stayed in the house across the street...

What if... when he was asking around for jobs or how to get some money.. someone said.. snag me a little blonde blue eyed baby and i'll give ya $$$,$$$$. So suddenly baby is gone and so is jersey? Well sure, now he'd have money to go wherever he wants.

There are quite a few articles out there about child trafficking in the area. It's not so far fetched to me.

Here's an old one from '09... but just to show that it does happen and sickos like this are out there.

http://www.fbi.gov/kansascity/press-releases/2009/kc031009.htm


moo.. i'm not sleuthing him.. just wanted to point out it's not so impossible.

I can't think that-----
my heart just can't take that thought C@rol.

 

[In da Middle]

Whoa....

Spotlight.com list the car stolen on Oct 5th from 40XX N. Walrond Ave.
http://www.spotcrime.com/crime/23836353-bdd08271ce9f5fdab38f85a18632cdc1

That is the same street JI's parents live on per this article:
http://www.kcci.com/r/29438812/detail.html


Coincidence or Not?

Same street. Quite a bit further south.

 

[linda505]

Whoa....

Spotlight.com list the car stolen on Oct 5th from 40XX N. Walrond Ave.
http://www.spotcrime.com/crime/23836353-bdd08271ce9f5fdab38f85a18632cdc1

That is the same street JI's parents live on per this article:
http://www.kcci.com/r/29438812/detail.html


Coincidence or Not?

Map provide by InDaMiddle just a few posts up has a car stolen on 10/4/11 at 8:28 am - when you go to her link - you need to move way east to get to the area and you can shorten the date range of incidents to see things that happened during that time.
address 4400 Block N MONTGALL AV

 

[frankie069]

I posted this once before and I honestly cannot fathom why the police arent putting this guys name and picture out there, its not like they have done this before on other cases. Show his picture and release his name, say he is being looked for for questioning but he is not a suspect. If this man is homeless maybe he doesnt even know he is being looked for and because no one can see his face they cant tell him if they see him or call the police if they see him. It doesnt make sense to me that they arent doing this. what if this guy decided to go back home, say a few states over, and they release his pic and his family see's it and goes hey "joe" they are looking for you to ask you some questions in case you saw something, well that would end that and we can then put this chapter to rest. Doesnt make sense at all. He could be here in NY and I passed him today while I was out, well I wouldnt know that now would I. Show his face and give his name.. there is nothing wrong with that, he isnt being accused of anything.

 

[Cher352]

Map provide by InDaMiddle just a few posts up has a car stolen on 10/4/11 at 8:28 am - when you go to her link - you need to move way east to get to the area and you can shorten the date range of incidents to see things that happened during that time.

Thanks missed that one, just jumped to Last Page!

Hope LE checking all auto thefts in the area around the time of Lisa's disappearance. It didn't even hit me until linda505's post that a stolen vehicle might be involved in moving Lisa out of the area.

 

[jjenny]

I posted this once before and I honestly cannot fathom why the police arent putting this guys name and picture out there, its not like they have done this before on other cases. Show his picture and release his name, say he is being looked for for questioning but he is not a suspect. If this man is homeless maybe he doesnt even know he is being looked for and because no one can see his face they cant tell him if they see him or call the police if they see him. It doesnt make sense to me that they arent doing this. what if this guy decided to go back home, say a few states over, and they release his pic and his family see's it and goes hey "joe" they are looking for you to ask you some questions in case you saw something, well that would end that and we can then put this chapter to rest. Doesnt make sense at all. He could be here in NY and I passed him today while I was out, well I wouldnt know that now would I. Show his face and give his name.. there is nothing wrong with that, he isnt being accused of anything.

They might not want to do it if they have zero evidence connecting him to disappearance.