Netflix to stream new documentary on Steven Avery - #4

[missy1974]

The Tire Iron was missing? The crowbar? This is what I had been thinking been used to hit her on the head outside the back of her car, then pushed her in. JMO Find it interesting that its missing.

This is a photo of the tools that come with the RAV4. One of them was missing. I think it was the lug nut tool (if I was talking to my hubby I would say the nut loosener thingy LOL) Just another reason why I would like to know how the damage to the front of her vehicle happened. And what about that spatter on the back door?

A car hit my van once.... I was going through the intersection and he decided he was going to turn, hit my front drivers side, right at the front tire, I pulled over, thought the vehicle was drivable, but it wasn't. The wheel well was broken and it was pushed up against the tire. I had tools, but couldn't get it myself, had to call hubby to the rescue, and he had to take it off.

 

[Sinsaint]

For me I find those first interviews with Law Enforcement to be where you get some of the best information. It's before the lawyers are involved, before the police has told the press what they know and before the person interviewed has really think about a story, you know really digest what they want to say. In hindsight we have the benefit of seeing what they chose to with hold, what they chose to divulge to the the LE individual. (For instance I believe Cindy Anthony's series of 911 calls was the most raw and honest she had been in the entire case)

That being said as far as SA's case goes, in his initial interviews he seems to waiver if TH ever came to knock on his door, how much he may have called her and if he touched her car in any way. The time line was off by several accounts. For SA's interview being she was there 2 to 2:30 and other witnesses 3:45 or so. For him to be viewed in the best light by the detectives he has to have minimal interaction with her for the least amount of time earliest in the day. So he minimizes it all. He claims his 4:35 call to her was in regards to another vehicle he wanted to sell. Is it possible he arranged an unscheduled photo session with her earlier during the 2pmish van photo session? For instance if she said she had another photo session scheduled (Zipperers) but she could come back after. Would there be enough time for her to go to Avery's spend 10 or 15 mins on the van, go to the Zipperers and spend 10 or 15 mins on their car and be back after for whatever SA was trying to sell? And be back at the Avery property for the 3:45 sighting? For SA to admit to that he would admit to her being on his property not once but twice during that day. And there would be another opportunity late in the day for the assault to occur.
I'm not saying he's guilty, I'm still on the fence but there's no proof that she ever made it out for the second time, there's not even 100% proof he was the last person to see her that day. I was kind of hoping for a bill of sale, receipt, or log for the unscheduled photo shoot.

I read all three of Avery's interviews (haven't listened). I didn't notice that he waivered on whether Halbach knocked on his door. He mentioned that she had but clarified that had been on a previous visit. I think, if anything, the fact he's so uncertain about details, times, what other things he did that day, etc. lends credibility to him not being involved. If he had committed the murder and tried to cover it up he would have put a lot more effort into having a very consistent story. "She was here at 2:30. She left at 2:45. I at dinner at my mom's house at 4:45. I was back home at 5:30 so I could talk to Jodi. I spoke to Earl at 5:55. I at 8:00. I talked to Jodi at 9:00. etc." He was all over the place with his times and things that happened that day. At one point he thought Bobby got a deer that night and he went over to see it. Later he thought that happened on Friday.

And I don't think she came to the property for two separate photo shoots. Her business didn't seem to dictate she keep a rigid schedule with customers. If she were at the property and he suggested another vehicle to sell she probably would have just spent the extra five or ten minutes taking those photos and then left, rather than wasting another twenty or thirty minutes on a return trip.

 

[MysticJynx]

This is a photo of the tools that come with the RAV4. One of them was missing. I think it was the lug nut tool (if I was talking to my hubby I would say the nut loosener thingy LOL) Just another reason why I would like to know how the damage to the front of her vehicle happened. And what about that spatter on the back door?

A car hit my van once.... I was going through the intersection and he decided he was going to turn, hit my front drivers side, right at the front tire, I pulled over, thought the vehicle was drivable, but it wasn't. The wheel well was broken and it was pushed up against the tire. I had tools, but couldn't get it myself, had to call hubby to the rescue, and he had to take it off.

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Here is what the manual says about these tools.

 

[TheDuchess]

OK so I did a little playing around with what limited editing tools that I have and created these 2 comparisons. In looking at the full body pics (one from the doc and the other from file that is definitely EWE) it is quite remarkable. Same physique, stance, etc... Hairline seems to match, forehead, glasses. I'd say the biggest difference is that EWE seems to have more fat in the neck than the person in the doc screenshot.

I did a closeup comparison of EWE and the man in the doc in chronological order. Really tough to tell with such bad photos, but would be interesting to see these sharpened up and a scientific comparison made. To me, there are striking similarities. If you read the stories about EWE, he had an incredible way of inserting himself into high profile cases, getting himself on TV, etc... If this is truly him, I have no doubt that he would be someone that Zellner & Co should take a very close look at.

 

[missy1974]

see where the tools would go? I wonder where the rest of the bag was? and was it tested at all?

 

[MysticJynx]

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see where the tools would go? I wonder where the rest of the bag was? and was it tested at all?

No I dont see it. seems that they were in the passengers side door or something in the manual. see my post above

If its on the passengers side door maybe that is why they put blood on that side. maybe it was harder to plant that weapon. Also if hit in the head with a pointed crowbar would that cause a beveled head wound?

 

[missy1974]

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OK so I did a little playing around with what limited editing tools that I have and created these 2 comparisons. In looking at the full body pics (one from the doc and the other from file that is definitely EWE) it is quite remarkable. Same physique, stance, etc... Hairline seems to match, forehead, glasses. I'd say the biggest difference is that EWE seems to have more fat in the neck than the person in the doc screenshot.

I did a closeup comparison of EWE and the man in the doc in chronological order. Really tough to tell with such bad photos, but would be interesting to see these sharpened up and a scientific comparison made. To me, there are striking similarities. If you read the stories about EWE, he had an incredible way of inserting himself into high profile cases, getting himself on TV, etc... If this is truly him, I have no doubt that he would be someone that Zellner & Co should take a very close look at.

It should be mentioned that no one seems to know who it is, not SA's family anyway.

 

[missy1974]

No I dont see it. seems that they were in the passengers side door or something in the manual. see my post above

There is 2 holes on the back of the seat.... . But I see the manual says different LOL well geesh, what is missing from that back passenger seat then?

ETA: ok... I have found pictures of the interior of an RAV4... those holes are nothing, they are just there.

 

[MysticJynx]

There is 2 holes on the back of the seat.... . But I see the manual says different LOL well geesh, what is missing from that back passenger seat then?

ETA: ok... I have found pictures of the interior of an RAV4... those holes are nothing, they are just there.

Think the arrows point to the jack location. but it seems like something like a jack is on the front passengers side floor that looks like a jack. Trying to see the passengers side door for the tool location but either its not the passengers side back. it may be the front which I can't see in this picture.

 

[missy1974]

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see where the tools would go? I wonder where the rest of the bag was? and was it tested at all?

ok..... look in the top right corner... I think that's where the tool's go, the cover is missing.

ETA: I believe the jack is under the seat, not sure if it's in the front or back passenger side. No mention of the jack missing or anything though.

 

[Deeptoad]

There is 2 holes on the back of the seat.... . But I see the manual says different LOL well geesh, what is missing from that back passenger seat then?

ETA: ok... I have found pictures of the interior of an RAV4... those holes are nothing, they are just there.

Yup. Just housings for the bolts that hold the seat build together.

 

[MysticJynx]

for anyone interested

http://www.manuals365.com/toyota/toyota_rav4_owners_manual_1999.html

 

[MysticJynx]

ok..... look in the top right corner... I think that's where the tool's go, the cover is missing.

ETA: I believe the jack is under the seat, not sure if it's in the front or back passenger side. No mention of the jack missing or anything though.

Ok I see where you are talking about. that does look like it I dont see it on the doors as shown in the manual pictures. Wonder why they show a seat back there in the picture in the manual? weird. but yeah that looks like it to me too now that you pointed it out.

 

[MysticJynx]

Just thought I'd share a picture of TH I found. She was at a wedding of one of her friends. Unsure if she did the photography but thought was around her neck was interesting and gave me reason to think she did leave that lanyard key in her car for when she did events lasting longer than 10 15 minutes.

 

[TheDuchess]

Just thought I'd share a picture of TH I found. She was at a wedding of one of her friends. Unsure if she did the photography but thought was around her neck was interesting and gave me reason to think she did leave that lanyard key in her car for when she did events lasting longer than 10 15 minutes.

They do not seem to be the same but similar. Different colors (blue vs. purple) and the lettering doesn't seem to match.

 

[amberjb4]

I saw on a website somewhere that TH always carried a set of keys that had her house key and other keys on it as well as her vehicle key. Did they ever find any of her other keys on the SA property or in the burn pit with her cell phone and stuff? Someone had posted a picture of her standing in front of her rav 4 with a larger set of keys than just the one the police found. Does anyone know anything further about this?

 

[pleasestandby]

ST had three interviews.

In the first one he stated when he went to pick up BJ she was standing outside with SA and one her younger sons. He said he didn't know the younger son's name. (He had know BJ for 1.5 years) He never even mentioned a fire. He stated BJ had come to his house later and stayed until 11 pm or 12 am.

In the second interview, when he went to pick up BJ, he noticed Steve and one of BJ's sons standing around a fire behind SA's garage. He didn't know which son it was. He stated Barb came out of the house and they then left. When he brought BJ back he noticed the two people at the fire, who's outlines made him think they were the two he had seen earlier. When BJ came to his house later, she stayed until 11 pm or 12 am.

In the third interview, he stated he saw SA and whom he assumed to be BD by the fire behind the garage. He stated BJ came over about 8 pm and spent the night. He stated that he felt SA and BD were in a sexual relationship.

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Trial-Exhibit-356-Scott-Tadych-11-10-2005-Interview.pdf

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Trial-Exhibit-357-Scott-Tadych-11-29-2005.pdf

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Trial-Exhibit-358-Scott-Tadych-3-30-2006-Interview.pdf

His stories were inconsistent with each other and as time went on, he remembered more new details, yet he stated that if the investigators had gotten to him sooner he would have remembered more (2nd interview); which is opposite of what he said in the interviews. By the third interview he had run BD's reputation into the ground. Either he stayed in the truck when he picked up BJ or he didn't. Either he went in and saw the bleach stains or he didn't. Either BJ stayed overnight at his house or she didn't. Either he saw BJ outside with her young son with SA or he didn't. So many lies.

 

[MysticJynx]

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see where the tools would go? I wonder where the rest of the bag was? and was it tested at all?

This is a picture of a 98 Toyota rav4 for comparison to where the Tools for the jack were.

 

[missy1974]

I saw on a website somewhere that TH always carried a set of keys that had her house key and other keys on it as well as her vehicle key. Did they ever find any of her other keys on the SA property or in the burn pit with her cell phone and stuff? Someone had posted a picture of her standing in front of her rav 4 with a larger set of keys than just the one the police found. Does anyone know anything further about this?

Her brother, her mother (I think) and her business partner all testified that she had other keys. She had a house key, a garage key, a key to her studio, actually 2 keys to her studio (pretty sure her partner told her to leave one in her purse) Apparently she was always misplacing her keys. If they have ever been found, we don't know about it.

I also think they were missing her garage door opener. Not sure what that means. But I recall that they were looking for it at one point. I don't know that her purse was ever found. I have seen news articles saying it was burned with her phone/camera, but I don't see any evidence of that, like a zipper or any metal pieces found in the barrel that would be part of a purse.

I wonder how often she put her vehicle in the garage? was it detached? Did the room mate use it? I remember the room mate saying something about not seeing her suv outside for a few days.... hmmmm. So many missing pieces to this puzzle.

 

[MysticJynx]

They do not seem to be the same but similar. Different colors (blue vs. purple) and the lettering doesn't seem to match.

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Yeah I don't think they are the same. But seemed to be something she had a few of and used them. I however think she used them when she was doing her events that were time consuming. She could then not worry about losing her key to her car and leave everything locked inside. Including her other set of keys and purse. JMO