New "Dateline" - 2010.11.12 Kyron Horman case

[JBean]

Trt, my memory and notes differ. I didn't hear her say that Terri "looked" unstable, or that she "always" seemed unstable. My memory and notes are that she was saying that Terri was emotional (demeanor), then said the word unstable.

My memory and notes are that she said Terri "looked" exhausted, and that was kind of separate from the emotional/unstable/wearing emotions on her sleeve stuff.

The last Dateline had a transcript posted a few days after it aired. Hopefully we'll get both a video and a transcript for this one too.

ETA: Looks like JBean transcribed it:

yes, I copied it verbatim

 

[liz b.]

If I had a fussy toddler, who possibly woke up early or did not sleep well the night before because of teething and then I was trying to drive around to get her to sleep for a long time and she still would not settle down, I would be exhausted and not in the best of moods by the time I got to the gym. And probably knowing that by the time I got done working out baby K would be still fussy and we would have to go home and deal with another night of fussiness.

Good point.And she wasn't a young mom.... Fussy babies at age 40 ? BTDT...Recipe for exhaustion. IMO

All JMO

 

[liz b.]

Desiree once lived in the neighborhood, as I recall. Her other son may have attended that school...

Really ? I've never read that before. MOO
All JMO

 

[Trt]

Respectfully, do we actually know that Terri "stole" Kaine ? As my grandma used to say "takes two to tango "... And, I've always wondered how Desiree could be so emphatic about "knowing that school really well " ?

ETA : Thinking "she better not have done anything to him " is not exactly "giving Terri the benefit of the doubt"...MOO

That was the reason for my asterisks. Not what I believe, but something that many women seem to believe when their man steps out. My belief is that the other woman(or man) has made no vows to that person at all.

Why wouldn't Desiree know about her son's school? Do we have anything to show us that Desiree was not involved in Kyron's life or didn't know about his school?

Thinking what she thought was having doubts. All three parents had them, but they kept the united front, giving Terri the benefit of the doubt, in hopes that
she would get her story straight.

Jmo

 

[liz b.]

I'm sure she spent a lot of time up there attending his school programs and such. Her other son lives in the area, too, so when either of them has big school events, perhaps she made that 5 hour drive up to attend them.

Oh,I see,so she must have very flexible work hours at her job ? All JMO

 

[Trt]

She said Terri always look tired. She didn't say that Terri always looked "unstable". (and I'm not defending Terri, by any means)

Yes, she said Terri often looked unstable and "a wreck".

 

[liz b.]

That was the reason for my asterisks. Not what I believe, but something that many women seem to believe when their man steps out. My belief is that the other woman(or man) has made no vows to that person at all.

Why wouldn't Desiree know about her son's school? Do we have anything to show us that Desiree was not involved in Kyron's life or didn't know about his school?

Thinking what she thought was having doubts. All three parents had them, but they kept the united front, giving Terri the benefit of the doubt, in hopes that
she would get her story straight.

Jmo

I can only say that we can hopefully agree to disagree on this point...Because if my child was missing,I would not care one whit about giving anyone the benefit of the doubt so that they could get their story straight.

All JMO

 

[debs]

Yes, she said Terri often looked unstable and "a wreck".

And also states that it was because she was working so hard to make her marriage work.

 

[Adrienne37]

And also states that it was because she was working so hard to make her marriage work.

Yea, she was working so hard to save her marriage, hard enough to try to hire someone to kill him, that's working really hard to save your marriage. JMO.

 

[debs]

Yea, she was working so hard to save her marriage, hard enough to try to hire someone to kill him, that's working really hard to save your marriage. JMO.

Those are unsubstantiated allegations of an event which may or may not have taken place 6 months or more prior to Kyron disappearing. Kaine himself states they had problems but were working on them.

 

[Trt]

I can only say that we can hopefully agree to disagree on this point...Because if my child was missing,I would not care one whit about giving anyone the benefit of the doubt so that they could get their story straight.

All JMO

We agree there. I've said that I think they showed great restraint. But my original post that you quoted was in response to an OP that mentioned that Kaine shouldn't have gotten a divorce and taken the baby...that he should have waited and maybe got more info out of her My opinion is that they all waited long enough(considering they had problems with her story from the beginning, maybe too long).

Jmo

 

[Billylee]

Imo, part of that was due to Kyron crying when it was time for him to return to Kaine after having been with Desiree for a weekend. I remember her saying something to the affect that when she heard Terri's account of school that day (like waving bye to Kyron from down the hall) that right then and there there was a red flag, she said, due to her knowledge of the layout of the school. Desi was implying that Terri's statement wasn't factual.

Another red flag went up when it was the school who notified Desiree that Kyron was missing, and not Terri. I can totally understand that. Why didn't Terri just call Desi herself? Or even the police? No, Terri had the school contact both. Very telling, imo.

Terri did not "have the school contact" Desiree. IIRC, Desiree told us shewas contacted by the school, because she is listed as the contact for Kyron, I find that interesting because I have to wonder why Kaine was not listed as he lived nearby, not 4 1/2 hours away.

And, I also wonder why Kaine didn't call Desiree, he is their son.

If it had been me, I'd have called 911 as soon as the bus driver contacted the school and they told me he wasn't in school all day. The child had been missing since 9:00 in the morning!!! I would have called 911 immediately.

 

[AlexisFresca]

Yea, she was working so hard to save her marriage, hard enough to try to hire someone to kill him, that's working really hard to save your marriage. JMO.

Touche'

 

[BringKyronHome]

I watched the Dateline show last night and was totally riveted to the screen the whole time.

I have come away with one nagging observation:

Gwen described seeing Terri at the gym on June 4 and said she look tired, exhausted, unhappy, etc. I realize Gwen said she looked like this a lot of the
time, but what concerns me is how she looked that particular day of June 4.

Because we've also heard from someone else who saw Terri that same morning, Andrea at the Fred Myers. This would have been only an hour and a half before (or something like that) before Terri showed up at the gym. My memory of what Andrea said is that Terri was talkative and unusually outgoing, and even showed her pics of Kyron taken earlier that morning. I got the impression of a very "up" Terri who was going out of her way to
to be friendly...not someone who was feeling awful and was obviously unhappy.

What I'm wondering is what happened between Andrea's unexpected encounter with Terri at Fred Myers, and Gwen's encounter with her a short time later that would have created this drastic change in Terri's demeanor.

Just driving around????

There could be a very simple explanation for the difference.

ALWAYS...what does that mean? For how long?

Ever since she's known her??? How long has that been...kinda doesn't matter though...

I'm wondering, how does one act when they MUST interact with a person that they wish they wouldn't have to?

Gwen did seem to have some sympathy for Terri...implying they are friends, but I wonder if they really were.

I took away from it, that Terri's behavior on that day was the same as always...that she was not acting differently.

And you may want to go back & check your notes on the FMs run-in...that reporter prodded her for a comment that she did not make initially. After being asked more than once if Terri was acting odd, she said, well about the only odd thing was that she showed me a pic of Kyron at the fair.

I don't at all think she meant it was odd. In fact she even said at one point that she was not acting unusual or that their interaction was not odd.

I think the reporter sliced & diced the video to make it sound a certain way.

 

[Trt]

And also states that it was because she was working so hard to make her marriage work.

I'm more interested in what she observed, rather than what Terri told her, since we know that Terri told different people different stories as it related to her homelife(some were told that Kaine sent J away, others were told that Terri did because of better schools, for example).

Jmo

 

[gwenabob]

Terri did not "have the school contact" Desiree. IIRC, Desiree told us shewas contacted by the school, because she is listed as the contact for Kyron, I find that interesting because I have to wonder why Kaine was not listed as he lived nearby, not 4 1/2 hours away.

And, I also wonder why Kaine didn't call Desiree, he is their son.

If it had been me, I'd have called 911 as soon as the bus driver contacted the school and they told me he wasn't in school all day. The child had been missing since 9:00 in the morning!!! I would have called 911 immediately.

My children attend PPS, so I am very familiar with the forms. The parents are listed first, along with their contact information, then there are up to 3 "emergency contacts" listed. I think that is where Desiree's info was. There is absolutely no indication that Kaine or Terri were not listed as "contacts" on his registration form.

 

[debs]

I'm more interested in what she observed, rather than what Terri told her, since we know that Terri told different people different stories as it related to her homelife(some were told that Kaine sent J away, others were told that Terri did because of better schools, for example).

Jmo

Kaine confirms they were having problems. I'm not sure I'm understanding how both people could say the same thing and one of them is lying. If Terri was struggling and wrecked over trying to make her marriage work, I have no reason to doubt her, since her husband confirms that they were struggling to make their marriage work.

 

[debs]

My children attend PPS, so I am very familiar with the forms. The parents are listed first, along with their contact information, then there are up to 3 "emergency contacts" listed. I think that is where Desiree's info was. There is absolutely no indication that Kaine or Terri were not listed as "contacts" on his registration form.

The only indicator we have for contacting Kaine and Terri is that the school did not call to ask about his absence. That the first time they heard that he hadn't been at school was from the bus driver. That will haunt this case for its duration.

 

[Cazzie]

The show said that Terri is living with her parents in another town. What happened with a charge against her for the murder-for-hire attempt? (can't believe the show did not cover that, irresponsible journalism, IMO, or maybe I blinked)

 

[gwenabob]

The only indicator we have for contacting Kaine and Terri is that the school did not call to ask about his absence. That the first time they heard that he hadn't been at school was from the bus driver. That will haunt this case for its duration.

Respectfully, we know no such thing. PPS hasn't said anything about that one way or the other.