New Search 9/12/2011

[Lera213]

OMG what if JP burned her like in the campfire while they were camping and the boys were sleeping!

 

[Pensfan]

This is not the article I was looking for but it does state that friends and family state that they had been in the area before.

"This remote area is about 30 miles away from where Josh Powell, the only person of interest named in his wife’s disappearance, says he took his two young sons camping the night his wife disappeared from their West Valley City home. Police have said Josh Powell liked to gem hunt — and family and friends have confirmed that Josh and Susan Powell had visited the area on previous family excursions."

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/52591212-78/police-powell-remains-search.html.csp

Another thing I thought was interesting is that in one of the interviews the reporter stated that JP told her he has never been to that area.

I think one of Susan's friends had evidence in an email or FB post from Susan showing Susan stating that she and Josh had camped in this area. (I could be wrong though.)

 

[Pensfan]

OMG what if JP burned her like in the campfire while they were camping and the boys were sleeping!

Her DNA might still be present inside any bone fragments, but DNA, although a stable molecule, can be destroyed with heat.

 

[snupy]

I was discussing this yesterday....I believe it's something Kiirsi had stated also. Someone else said it was a FB entry of SP's. I'm really curious about this because I want to know exactly "when" and who discovered this information and if it's been LE's knowledge for 2 years ....why wasn't a look-see given then, as it is only 30 miles from Simpson's Springs? TY

I am still looking for it... and I just might go postal if I cannot find it! I remember reading the article when the tweets stated he was on a flight to Utah. Is there a media link to all of the articles?

I really think he discovered the email after the search started because in an interview on Wednesday he appeared not so hopeful and then the next day he is on a one way flight to Utah??

 

[Dr. Know?]

Here's the article where Kiirsi tells of Susan & Josh taking a wrong turn.

snipped

"In the summer of 2009, they went on four or five camping trips and they would just take their van and sleep in their van and just drive wherever and just camp wherever they wanted for the night," says Hellewell.

Hellewell says on one trip Susan left a Facebook update stating they took a wrong turn while looking for geodes near Dugway. She says that searchers now are not far from where Susan was describing.

"So I think they ended up in an erea that was maybe 20 miles away from where police are searching," she said.

more

http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-s...arch-for-susan-powell-20110913,0,658712.story

 

[cluciano63]

LE said that they "assumed" human remains would be found...I wonder if they spoke too soon?

 

[Janeumayer]

BenWinslow Ben Winslow
It is raining harder out here now. The wind is howling, too. @fox13now #findsusan #Utah #SusanPowell
2 minutes ago

fox13now FOX 13 NOW
The search for #SusanPowell has been called off for the day due to bad weather. They will continue Saturday at 9 a.m. if it clears up.
1 minute ago

BenWinslow Ben Winslow
Cops have some protective gear for the shallow grave site. Cadaver dog handlers tell me weather won't affect ability to detect remains.
2 minutes ago

RoxanaOre Roxana Orellana
Excavation site shut down because weather.
3 minutes ago

BenWinslow Ben Winslow
The search will resume tomorrow morning at 9, weather permitting. @fox13now #findsusan #Utah
3 minutes ago

BenWinslow Ben Winslow
WVC police say the cadaver dogs continue to indicate there are remains at the same spot. It's keeping them going. @fox13now #findsusan #Utah
13 minutes ago

RoxanaOre Roxana Orellana
It's cloudy rainy and windy in Topaz Mountain. LT. Merritt said they have equipment to protect site where dirt is being examined.
15 minutes ago

BenWinslow Ben Winslow
Some pics of today's search efforts in the #SusanPowell case near Topaz Mountain: on.fb.me/oKStFB @fox13now #findsusan #Utah
16 minutes ago

RoxanaOre Roxana Orellana
"I have every confidence that this will be solved," Chuck Cox told reporters about his missing daughter's case. "Everyday is hard on us."
19 minutes ago

BenWinslow Ben Winslow
That means this search could stretch into next week. BTW, it's raining here at the search site. Strong wind, too. @fox13now #findsusan #Utah
19 minutes ago

BenWinslow Ben Winslow
WVCPD ordering more manpower and a forensic anthropologist to look at debris being sifted to determine bones. @fox13now #findsusan #Utah
21 minutes ago

RoxanaOre Roxana Orellana
Chuck Cox said he bought a one way ticket to Utah. "I'll stay here until we are convinced that this area has been adequatly searched."
21 minutes ago

RoxanaOre Roxana Orellana
Chuck Cox teared up when he talked about thinking logically and emotionally about the search of his missing daughter.
20 minutes ago

BenWinslow Ben Winslow
Chuck Cox offered to stay and carry ice back and forth, if police would let him. @fox13now #findsusan #SusanPowell #Utah
23 minutes ago

BenWinslow Ben Winslow
Chuck Cox says his father's intuition tells him this whole area is likely worth checking out. @fox13now #findsusan #Utah #SusanPowell
33 minutes ago

BenWinslow Ben Winslow
Here's a pic of the area where police are working: twitpic.com/6lud8e (look center, right - cars and ppl) @fox13now #findsusan #Utah
32 minutes ago

Kiirs Kiirsi Hellewell
Chuck Cox spoke. My heart breaks for him. Said he'll stay as long as PD lets him and do anything he can to help. #findsusan
30 minutes ago

BenWinslow Ben Winslow
Obviously, that was taken from a distance. Cops are keeping us quite a ways back while they work. Dig, sifting of dirt going slowly.
30 minutes ago

BenWinslow Ben Winslow
Chuck Cox out here at the scene of the search for #SusanPowell: twitpic.com/6luavi @fox13now #findsusan #Utah
37 minutes ago

Kiirs Kiirsi Hellewell
Just watched press conf on @fox13now. PD still sifting thru dirt. More manpower on way to go faster. #findsusan
47 minutes ago

BenWinslow Ben Winslow
#SusanPowell's father says he'll stay out here as long as need be in search. He feels this is a likely place. @fox13now #findsusan #Utah
40 minutes ago

DNewsCrimeTeam DNews Crime Team
Susan Powell's father, Chuck Cox, bought one-way ticket to Utah and will stay until police determine what they've found. #findsusan
54 minutes ago

DNewsCrimeTeam DNews Crime Team
Dig in Susan Powell case is really slow. Police are calling in more troops to help sift through dirt. Dig will likely continue thru weekend.
53 minutes ago

fox13now FOX 13 NOW
"I have every confidence that [this case] will be solved," said Chuck Cox today regarding his missing daughter Susan Cox Powell. #FindSusan
1 hour ago

DNewsCrimeTeam DNews Crime Team
Chuck Cox says his father's intuition tells him site is worth checking out "It's a likely place. It's well worth the time her and effort."
1 hour ago

OMG, we truly are patient!

Question, what does Mr. Cox do for a living? I am asking cause he bought a one way tix.

 

[kai]

Somebody PLEASE find a link to the press conference from today!


I don't have an exact quote (can't find it online) but in today's press conference Chuck Cox stated something to the effect of finding all they could here and then moving on to somewhere else if needed. I have to think and believe that if LE was certain that there was a body still there in this grave that they would be at least giving more information to Mr. Cox than they are to the public. From what I witnessed today I do not believe that Chuck Cox thinks Susan is there. After all, Mr. Cox is Susan's dad. If she is in that grave still and LE believed that then I would like to think that LE would be maybe even telling Mr. Cox that he might want to bring his wife to SLC and be prepared for the upcoming moments. I just don't sense that sense of finalness and closure in the air of the words being said (and the words that are NOT being said also).

LE also made a quote (going from memory here sorry) about continuing to remove and sift the dirt from the hole until the dogs quit showing there are remains in the hole. IMO- IF there is a body there- wouldn't they quit when the BODY was visually seen and then go onto removing the body? It just seemed a strange way to word things- sifting till the dogs quit giving a hit on the hole. (Again, not word for word- going on memory)

Earlier this morning I was wavering a tiny bit on my theory of Josh having moved Susan on his 2nd "camping trip." After hearing the press conference today I am sticking to my theory. I know it isn't a popular one but the more I am aware of specific wording being chosen by LE and now Chuck Cox, I am sticking to it. I think Susan was in this grave. I think Josh moved her. I think there will be enough proof to show Susan was in the grave (dogs are smart, they aren't hitting on this for no reason) and I think, hope, and pray that somehow someway an arrest will be made soon.

 

[chasing.halos]

Please please please... those darling boys need to know their mama did not leave them...

(I wish I could contribute more but those things just keep going through my head!)

I think something is happening. What are the odds of searching a specific area for Susan and stumbling upon human remains? I hope someone is watching over those precious boys very carefully. And I don't mean JP and his family.

 

[JSR]

Well if what has been reported is true then I think LE could be fairly confident human remains would be found if 7 different dogs alerted on the area.

The Pineallas 12 may not believe in cadaver dogs, but I do. A body was there at one point.

 

[Duke Fan4]

Maybe they should bring in Dr. Vass.

 

[pferrin]

Maybe they should bring in Dr. Vass.

I would love that..he is such a cutie pie.:woohoo::woohoo:

 

[DomCasual]

http://www.abc4.com/content/about_4...ook-When-is-found/fZQCTF8EfUmfLcKFlI3YNA.cspx

A pretty valid criticism from Brent Hunsaker, ABC4 Reporter (more at link):

Don't say you've "found" something when you haven't.

If a cadaver dog sits down -- hits on a spot in the middle of the brush and dry grass at the foot of an extinct volcano, then say so! Explain what that means. Surely that won't give away any secrets or compromise the investigation.

But for Heaven's sake, don't say, "We've found human remains. We're confident they're human."

Found means you've seen it. You can hold it. Possess it.

The New World wasn't "found" by Columbus just because a few seagulls did a flyby of La Nina, La Pinta and Santa Maria. He saw it. He went ashore and walked on it. (Of course, he thought it was the orient ... but that's another matter.)

A dog or several dogs "indicating" on a spot of earth is not "found."

Digging in that spot and uncovering hair or bone or tissue, now that's "found."

Taking those remains back to a lab for analysis, that's "found."

A dog with an incredible sniffer ... not found.

 

[hollyblue]

Just wanted to repost the press conference from yesterday afternoon- ( the "recent" remarks are rather telling IMO in this video) and also ask if anyone finds a link to today's conference from this afternoon with Chuck Cox- to please post a link. I would love to rewatch it. TIA!

http://www.abc4.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=2848701

At 11:05 Merritt states he can't speculate on the clothing....just yet. Was it a slip?

 

[JSR]

Maybe they should bring in Dr. Vass.

I adore that man

 

[HotLavaJavas]

How do you think authorities knew to search Topaz Mntn? Where could they have gotten that information? The likely answer is the search of his WA home on August 25, 2011.

I think there are a few things that led them to search Topaz.

1. GPS. I'm positive that there has been a GPS on JP's vehicles since day one. I know what the press has said, but it is in the best interest of the PD if they come across to JP as bumbling. He is a narcissist and they're appealing to his ego. If they seem like they're incompetent, it reinforces his beliefs and he's more likely to slip up, which I believe he has. The GPS is probably integrated into the system of the car, which is hard to detect even by mechanics. It would also mean they don't have to dump the GPS physically, and it reports remotely. I imagine the sealed warrant says something like the GPS will be attached to any car JP owns or has access to, and that would allow it to move vehicles if he sold the van.

2. The Washington search. Yes, I do believe something led them from this search. Maybe something you wouldn't suspect, like a book or brochure. It could also be a receipt or a piece of notepad paper with an address on it. But also, as I mentioned in another comment, electronic data doesn't disappear with the click of a mouse. It is still easily retrieved by a trained computer forensic scientist. Based off what I see in his websites that he has maintained, I don't believe he is skilled enough to hide his files from scientists. Additionally, a warrant can be served to his internet provider in either state to hand over logs, which are kept by ISPs.

3. Pattern behavior plays a role in this. Both of them are textbook narcissists and I imagine have visited this site, searched for it, or mentioned it somehow in their diaries. I think they both felt SP's house would never be searched, and as such, it was probably a gold mine to investigators. Whatever the piece of evidence that the PD took a closer look at during the end phase of the warrant execution is probably what led them to Topaz.

 

[cluciano63]

Does someone have to stay out there overnight in that weather...well, I am sure they do, but hope they have a camper vehicle or something...

 

[SilkySifaka]

Authorities on Friday resumed their examination of what they called a shallow grave in the central Utah desert in their investigation into a missing mother after a day of digging provided no clues, no remains and no progress.

"It's a lot slower than we had anticipated," said Lt. Bill Merritt of the West Valley City Police Department.

"What we're dealing with right now are very tiny pieces. They all appear to be rock, but we just don't want to miss anything in case there's something that actually is more than that," Merritt said.

Cadaver dogs discovered the location this week amid a renewed search for Susan Powell, and investigators declared they had found human remains earlier in the day Thursday.

Police said they assumed human remains would be found after cadaver dogs alerted on the spot.

http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-s...for-susan-cox-powell-20110916,0,3205701.story

I would probably be banned if I only bolded three letters of a certain word..but when I think of the "human remains" comments....grrr

 

[SilkySifaka]

LE said that they "assumed" human remains would be found...I wonder if they spoke too soon?

YES!!!!!!!

they could have said dogs detected a scent of human remains, they could have said lots of things but instead they ASSUMED.

:banghead: its a cluster

 

[SilkySifaka]

At 11:05 Merritt states he can't speculate on the clothing....just yet. Was it a slip?

Yes, he slipped that they have nothing.