New Time Line - Smell in the car?

[KellioPSL]

You know maybe she rented a car. On page 23 of the cell phone records there is the stored number for Enterprise and it's right before Det. Yuri, so that means the coincide with when they were stored. http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/20 Orange County Sheriff.pdf

kc sent a text cant remember which guy she sent it to,but it was sent on the 15th of july, out the blue telling him that she was going to get a rental car

 

[WillenFan21]

Wouldn't the smell be controlled if in a container?

I don't think Caylee was in a container in that trunk otherwise why would that car still smell after 4 months?

 

[TotallyObsessed]

The DR said the smell would be from a body decomposing for 1-2 weeks not 2.6 days. What he was saying is that 2.6 days would not still be smelly. What that DR said tonight on NG contradicts 2.6 days in the report from the body farm.

Ok - what if the body was in a bag (one of those vacuum packing bags like you buy at JC Penneys) for approximately 2 weeks. No leakage but still decomposing. Then the bag leaked approximately 2.6 days before it was lifted out and disposed of.

You would them have an older decomp smell leaked in the car for only 2.6 days.

Does that make sense?

 

[TotallyObsessed]

Here is my theory on this one. Ok. In a tropical climate, such as Florida IS in the heat of the summer, decomposition would speed up. Now, as a body decomposes, on about the 2nd to the 6th day, depending on the temperature, the linings in the mouth and the nose liquify and ooze out in the form of decomposition fluids. If THIS were the source of the stain, then that would fit perfectly with the 2.6 days time frame (and that time frame was an approximation, and could have been a bit less or more). So, we have a baby in the trunk, possibly covered over by her blanket, but lying right there on the carpet in the trunk. We have the Florida heat speeding along decomposition and the oozing from her mouth and nose draining into the spot where she is laying. Also, at this point, there is rigor mortis. It sets in, it leaves and then sets in again. If she was as stiff as a board there would have been no way for Casey to "stuff" her inside of something, a bag, a box or a tote-whatever-it would have been next to impossible with her stiff like that. But on the 3rd day the rigor lets up, or on day 2.6 approx. and Casey gets her chance to place Caylee inside of something. I believe she took her out of the trunk using the neighbors' shovel and laid her on either a tarp or bags or plastic in the back yard. Then she wrapped her up tight as she could get her wrapped, and placed her inside of something else, now sealed up in plastic. Then she puts her back in the trunk for several more days or possibly a week or more, and then disposes of her in whatever manner she chose. The decomp that had leaked out would continue to cause an odor, and the body, although inside of a box and wrapped in plastic would also continue to emit an odor which would grow stronger by the day. Once she was removed the odor lingered and lingers still...

I like your theory.

 

[Lanie]

From what the DR was saying the only way you would still have a smelly trunk was if a body was decomposing for 1-2 weeks. He said it would not smell still if it was only 2.6 days. Does this make sense?

Didn't he also say if there was a fluid leak, the smell would still be coming off the fluid?

IMO, even without a fluid leak, the smell is going to permeate every bit of porous material in the trunk, then with the trunk being closed, it is going to be mostly kept in there.

I know I have had many, many experiences with smelly things in my life. I can think of several of these where the main offensive odor thing was removed, and the smell seemed to disappear, but then came back. I've had food spoil in containers, where washing the containers isn't enough and I've had to throw them away. Hasn't anyone else out here had some kind of thing like this happen?
Lanie

Example: I've forgotten food in coolers before. It smells horrible. I've removed the food, washed the cooler, and the smell seems to be gone. A few weeks later, I get the cooler out, open the lid, and it reeks, because it has been out in the shed, in TX, in heat, with the lid closed.

 

[magic-cat]

I like your theory.

Thank you...:blowkiss:

 

[IWannaKnow]

Here is my theory on this one. Ok. In a tropical climate, such as Florida IS in the heat of the summer, decomposition would speed up. Now, as a body decomposes, on about the 2nd to the 6th day, depending on the temperature, the linings in the mouth and the nose liquify and ooze out in the form of decomposition fluids. If THIS were the source of the stain, then that would fit perfectly with the 2.6 days time frame (and that time frame was an approximation, and could have been a bit less or more). So, we have a baby in the trunk, possibly covered over by her blanket, but lying right there on the carpet in the trunk.(Because Casey freaked and placed her there after she died/was killed, because she only had about 1 hour to "fix" things if Caylee died between 3:00and 4:00 on the 16th? What time does Cindy get home from work?) We have the Florida heat speeding along decomposition and the oozing from her mouth and nose draining into the spot where she is laying. Also, at this point, there is rigor mortis. It sets in, it leaves and then sets in again. If she was as stiff as a board there would have been no way for Casey to "stuff" her inside of something, a bag, a box or a tote-whatever-it would have been next to impossible with her stiff like that. But on the 3rd day the rigor lets up, or on day 2.6 approx. and Casey gets her chance to place Caylee inside of something. I believe she took her out of the trunk using the neighbors' shovel and laid her on either a tarp or bags or plastic in the back yard. (Would this be around the 18th - 19th?) Then she wrapped her up tight as she could get her wrapped, and placed her inside of something else, now sealed up in plastic. Then she puts her back in the trunk for several more days or possibly a week or more, and then disposes of her in whatever manner she chose.(Around the 26th, before the car dump of course?) The decomp that had leaked out would continue to cause an odor, and the body, although inside of a box and wrapped in plastic would also continue to emit an odor which would grow stronger by the day. Once she was removed the odor lingered and lingers still...(So you "get rid of the smell" by dumping the car!)

:clap::clap::clap: - By jove, I think you've got it! That makes excellent sense and would account for the 1-2 week variation in the timeline. I believe Caylee died on the 16th, with the car being dumped late on the night of the 26th. That makes 10 days of decomp. Can't remember what they said it would smell like after 10 days, but I can't imagine it would be good. Of course, this doesn't account for why George didn't smell anything on the 24th. DANG IT! I just can't buy that Caylee was alive from the 16th to the 24th (as some posters are suggesting). I don't believe the evidence supports that. Hope you don't mind the additions for my own timeline consideration. Do you think Casey realized she would not be able to get the smell out of the car?

 

[magic-cat]

From what the DR was saying the only way you would still have a smelly trunk was if a body was decomposing for 1-2 weeks. He said it would not smell still if it was only 2.6 days. Does this make sense?

Hey maybe it was the "expert" isn't much of an "expert". Anyone know him? What is his background? What are his credentials? He may not know his head from a hole in the ground...Just sayin'...

 

[magic-cat]

:clap::clap::clap: - By jove, I think you've got it! That makes excellent sense and would account for the 1-2 week variation in the timeline. I believe Caylee died on the 16th, with the car being dumped late on the night of the 26th. That makes 10 days of decomp. Can't remember what they said it would smell like after 10 days, but I can't imagine it would be good. Of course, this doesn't account for why George didn't smell anything on the 24th. DANG IT! I just can't buy that Caylee was alive from the 16th to the 24th (as some posters are suggesting). I don't believe the evidence supports that. Hope you don't mind the additions for my own timeline consideration. Do you think Casey realized she would not be able to get the smell out of the car?

I don't mind a bit. And I think the expert that said it had to have been a week to two weeks is off base. I think the fluids that leaked out would continue to decompose and the smell would get stronger day by day. It is not like they would just stop decomposing because they had leaked out of the body...right?

 

[Bev]

I think it's fairly obvious that this guest hasn't read the report and doesn't know what he's talking about - he's the same ME who said the body was taken to another state.

 

[IWannaKnow]

Thats my impression, but I am no expert! Just an deskchair detective - an obsessed one at that! But I do believe that encasing her in plastic as you suggest would cut down the smell quite a bit. I can only imagine what that must have been like in the FL heat. YAK!!!! I really can't understand how Casey could have gone through with this. It floors me. She must be one tough cookie.

 

[raines67]

Here is my theory on this one. Ok. In a tropical climate, such as Florida IS in the heat of the summer, decomposition would speed up. Now, as a body decomposes, on about the 2nd to the 6th day, depending on the temperature, the linings in the mouth and the nose liquify and ooze out in the form of decomposition fluids. If THIS were the source of the stain, then that would fit perfectly with the 2.6 days time frame (and that time frame was an approximation, and could have been a bit less or more). So, we have a baby in the trunk, possibly covered over by her blanket, but lying right there on the carpet in the trunk. We have the Florida heat speeding along decomposition and the oozing from her mouth and nose draining into the spot where she is laying. Also, at this point, there is rigor mortis. It sets in, it leaves and then sets in again. If she was as stiff as a board there would have been no way for Casey to "stuff" her inside of something, a bag, a box or a tote-whatever-it would have been next to impossible with her stiff like that. But on the 3rd day the rigor lets up, or on day 2.6 approx. and Casey gets her chance to place Caylee inside of something. I believe she took her out of the trunk using the neighbors' shovel and laid her on either a tarp or bags or plastic in the back yard. Then she wrapped her up tight as she could get her wrapped, and placed her inside of something else, now sealed up in plastic. Then she puts her back in the trunk for several more days or possibly a week or more, and then disposes of her in whatever manner she chose. The decomp that had leaked out would continue to cause an odor, and the body, although inside of a box and wrapped in plastic would also continue to emit an odor which would grow stronger by the day. Once she was removed the odor lingered and lingers still...

This makes sense to me!:crazy:

 

[kgeaux]

I believe this is true. I believe the reason why the report only shows 2.6 days is due to the fluids being mostly leaked in maybe the backyard. The decomp was not over with and when she transferred her the rest came out. KC couldn't have came up with the final resting spot that quick, IMO.

But Coley, the 2.6 days estimate comes from AIR SAMPLES that were tested. The body would release certain chemicals into the air at certain times in its return to dust (I just can't make myself say the D word right now.) and while the air samples apparently failed to pick up two very important chemicals tied to human decomp, it did pick up 16 others....not all tied to human ONLY decomp.

BTW, Dr. Perper may not have known that the car was being kept in a sealed environment: That alone may be why the car still stank.

I'm not sure what fluids made the baseball sized stain in the trunk.......?

 

[kgeaux]

You sure have a Lot of Lakes out there in the one area !

Florida seems to have as much water as land, doesn't it?

 

[Bev]

No, the 2.6 days didn't come from air samples - it came from the result of the LIBS test.

 

[SuziQ]

:clap::clap::clap: - By jove, I think you've got it! That makes excellent sense and would account for the 1-2 week variation in the timeline. I believe Caylee died on the 16th, with the car being dumped late on the night of the 26th. That makes 10 days of decomp. Can't remember what they said it would smell like after 10 days, but I can't imagine it would be good. Of course, this doesn't account for why George didn't smell anything on the 24th. DANG IT! I just can't buy that Caylee was alive from the 16th to the 24th (as some posters are suggesting). I don't believe the evidence supports that. Hope you don't mind the additions for my own timeline consideration. Do you think Casey realized she would not be able to get the smell out of the car?

I feel the same way you and Magic-cat do about the timeline. Although let me add something else. I think the decomp the dogs hit in the backyard were created when George sat the gas cans down as he meandered around the yard doing stuff on his way to put them back into the shed. Or maybe they smelled and George after most likely getting a whiff of the trunk too, was checking out certain spots in the backyard, while carrying and sitting down the gas cans.

 

[Bev]

Wow, SuziQ, I think you really hit on something! The gas cans being moved would alert the dogs!

 

[SuziQ]

Wow, SuziQ, I think you really hit on something! The gas cans being moved would alert the dogs!

I'm thinking after the close call with her dad, shoving the gas cans at him and quickly skiddadling, that she knew she had a problem to take care of pronto. And she started texting about the smell for an explanation further down the line if she needed one.

 

[magic-cat]

I feel the same way you and Magic-cat do about the timeline. Although let me add something else. I think the decomp the dogs hit in the backyard were created when George sat the gas cans down as he meandered around the yard doing stuff on his way to put them back into the shed. Or maybe they smelled and George after most likely getting a whiff of the trunk too, was checking out certain spots in the backyard, while carrying and sitting down the gas cans.

Hi SuziQ: I have thought this as well...I do believe the gas cans smelled of decomp and I believe THAT is what prompted the Anthony's to search their own yard...the gas cans from Casey's TRUNK smelled of death and they were in a tailspin trying to find a reason for it...

 

[Bev]

I believe she thought that once she got rid of the body, the smell would go away - unfortunately for KC it had soaked into the carpet and on to the trunk liner - if she scrubbed at it, it would have made it worse. I had always wondered about the dogs hitting in the backyard and I believe your idea is brill.