New Time Line - Smell in the car?

[SuziQ]

Hi SuziQ: I have thought this as well...I do believe the gas cans smelled of decomp and I believe THAT is what prompted the Anthony's to search their own yard...the gas cans from Casey's TRUNK smelled of death and they were in a tailspin trying to find a reason for it...

I've always meant to go back and what the Greta video again to see where the hose hook ups are in the backyard. I wondering he if washed them off in any of the spots the dogs hit. Like back by the pool where the bush was.

 

[Bobo]

Throwin' my 2 cents in here:
If the 2 gas cans that KC threw a GA were made of plastic > and if they smelled of decomp (plastic being infamous for picking up and retaining odors) > and GA got rid of them, it would explain why Simon B (tow yard guy) described the gas can that GA produced at the tow yard as being old and beat up.

When I read that interview, I had an image of a METAL gas can with dents and dings. I'll have to go back and read it again.

What I don't know is if anyone has accounted for the original 2 gas cans that KC threw at GA on June 24th???

 

[AutomaticAuttie]

Ok - what if the body was in a bag (one of those vacuum packing bags like you buy at JC Penneys) for approximately 2 weeks. No leakage but still decomposing. Then the bag leaked approximately 2.6 days before it was lifted out and disposed of.

You would them have an older decomp smell leaked in the car for only 2.6 days.

Does that make sense?

The levels of the odor compounds would have read differently and there have been different compounds left that happen when a body first decomposes and different ones when it is in say the 2nd week of decompostion. Let me ask you this would the body have been preserved in the bag or would it have continued with the process of decompostion even though it was in a bag?

 

[Whyamisointerested]

Here is my theory on this one. Ok. In a tropical climate, such as Florida IS in the heat of the summer, decomposition would speed up. Now, as a body decomposes, on about the 2nd to the 6th day, depending on the temperature, the linings in the mouth and the nose liquify and ooze out in the form of decomposition fluids. If THIS were the source of the stain, then that would fit perfectly with the 2.6 days time frame (and that time frame was an approximation, and could have been a bit less or more). So, we have a baby in the trunk, possibly covered over by her blanket, but lying right there on the carpet in the trunk. We have the Florida heat speeding along decomposition and the oozing from her mouth and nose draining into the spot where she is laying. Also, at this point, there is rigor mortis. It sets in, it leaves and then sets in again. If she was as stiff as a board there would have been no way for Casey to "stuff" her inside of something, a bag, a box or a tote-whatever-it would have been next to impossible with her stiff like that. But on the 3rd day the rigor lets up, or on day 2.6 approx. and Casey gets her chance to place Caylee inside of something. I believe she took her out of the trunk using the neighbors' shovel and laid her on either a tarp or bags or plastic in the back yard. Then she wrapped her up tight as she could get her wrapped, and placed her inside of something else, now sealed up in plastic. Then she puts her back in the trunk for several more days or possibly a week or more, and then disposes of her in whatever manner she chose. The decomp that had leaked out would continue to cause an odor, and the body, although inside of a box and wrapped in plastic would also continue to emit an odor which would grow stronger by the day. Once she was removed the odor lingered and lingers still...

I like your theory. I think she died late night on the 15th or early am 16th, I dont think GA ever saw them on the 16th..anyhow good theory, its about what I have been thinking as well.

 

[AutomaticAuttie]

Also, it goes on to say on page 10 under "conclusions" - "indications of early decompsition products......What do we know about the stages of decompostion?

 

[SuziQ]

Throwin' my 2 cents in here:
If the 2 gas cans that KC threw a GA were made of plastic > and if they smelled of decomp (plastic being infamous for picking up and retaining odors) > and GA got rid of them, it would explain why Simon B (tow yard guy) described the gas can that GA produced at the tow yard as being old and beat up.

When I read that interview, I had an image of a METAL gas can with dents and dings. I'll have to go back and read it again.

What I don't know is if anyone has accounted for the original 2 gas cans that KC threw at GA on June 24th???

About beginning to mid august, LE retreived the cans and I believe they were plastic.

 

[Bobo]

About beginning to mid august, LE retreived the cans and I believe they were plastic.

OK then. There is a possibility that if they ever did smell of decomposition, that odor may still linger. For all we know those gas cans have had samples cut and sent for further testing somewhere.

 

[cocoamom]

My God have they looked in those HUGE woods right by Lee's house? That is where I would start if I were them. She could have parked at his house and walked the distance into that VAST wooded area and nobody would have noticed her.

Thank you,thank you , thank you!!!!!! She would ping same towers as mom and dad's house!!!

Question: GA, ex LE, goes to get car from tow yard. Smells a smell that he knows so much that he prays out loud that it "not be my Caylee". Gets in stinky car and drives all the way home. "Airs out" car by opening windows and garage, etc. NEVER CALLS POLICE. Cindy asks him "what died in here?" then says "it's the pizza right?" (reminder this bag with pizza BOX was thrown over the fence at the tow yard so how does she even know it existed? She never saw the car until he got it home!) SHE NEVER CALLS POLICE.

GA gets out of car and GOES TO WORK????? What???!!! Grand daughter missing, can't get daughter on phone, dead body smell in car, doesn't call police and GOES TO WORK? WTF/H/whatever!!! Something is rotten in Denmark and it isn't in the trunk!

 

[SuziQ]

OK then. There is a possibility that if they ever did smell of decomposition, that odor may still linger. For all we know those gas cans have had samples cut and sent for further testing somewhere.

I certainly hope so. There was a weird situation about the gas cans being recovered. OCSO, IIRC, posted all incident reports from over the years at the A's house. One item was the gas can theft from June. Reporters saw that and started asking about it. George told reporters that he found out that it was a neighbor and they returned the gas cans to him. A few days later OCSO showed up to get the cans. I don't think OCSO realized until George told that Fib that he had gotten the cans back and connected the dots. Why neglect to mention that to OCSO? Furthermore, why neglect to mention it was Casey? The A's certainly have their own opinion on what they think LE should or shouldn't know.

 

[beckaroozie]

My God have they looked in those HUGE woods right by Lee's house? That is where I would start if I were them. She could have parked at his house and walked the distance into that VAST wooded area and nobody would have noticed her.

Magic, I noticed that last night as well. If you notice there's a school too (Hidden Oaks Elementary) in their subdivision where their street dead ends into Suburban Dr. - take a right and Suburban dead ends off between two secluded wooded areas (not far from LA's house).

What do you guys think?

Photo of Hidden Oaks Elem off of Suburban.

 

[beckaroozie]

What if....what if...she discovered Caylee had died in the trunk, backed her car into the garge, removed Caylee from the car, used the service door on the garage to access the backyard to go unnoticed, and then originally buried her in the backyard (that depression area the cadaver dogs hit on).

Perhaps, she was worried her parents would smell or discover the grave, so she borrowed the neighbor's shovel a few days later, dug her up and then dumped her over the back fence and went back there with the shovel to dig another grave on the backside of the fenced area behind the A's house (Secluded, nobody goes back there, it's undeveloped and inaccessible, except by way of jumping the fence). That's why the dogs 'hit' around the fence??

Does anyone know if the neighbor she borrowed the shovel from said she left the A's house with it?? As in left in her car after borrowing it?

Sheer speculation, I know....but a thought. It would fall in with KC's "She's close to home' statement.

 

[BellaPhia]

Here is my theory on this one. Ok. In a tropical climate, such as Florida IS in the heat of the summer, decomposition would speed up. Now, as a body decomposes, on about the 2nd to the 6th day, depending on the temperature, the linings in the mouth and the nose liquify and ooze out in the form of decomposition fluids. If THIS were the source of the stain, then that would fit perfectly with the 2.6 days time frame (and that time frame was an approximation, and could have been a bit less or more). So, we have a baby in the trunk, possibly covered over by her blanket, but lying right there on the carpet in the trunk. We have the Florida heat speeding along decomposition and the oozing from her mouth and nose draining into the spot where she is laying. Also, at this point, there is rigor mortis. It sets in, it leaves and then sets in again. If she was as stiff as a board there would have been no way for Casey to "stuff" her inside of something, a bag, a box or a tote-whatever-it would have been next to impossible with her stiff like that. But on the 3rd day the rigor lets up, or on day 2.6 approx. and Casey gets her chance to place Caylee inside of something. I believe she took her out of the trunk using the neighbors' shovel and laid her on either a tarp or bags or plastic in the back yard. Then she wrapped her up tight as she could get her wrapped, and placed her inside of something else, now sealed up in plastic. Then she puts her back in the trunk for several more days or possibly a week or more, and then disposes of her in whatever manner she chose. The decomp that had leaked out would continue to cause an odor, and the body, although inside of a box and wrapped in plastic would also continue to emit an odor which would grow stronger by the day. Once she was removed the odor lingered and lingers still...

I think your on to something with the use of the shovel....but maybe rather than using it to remove her from the trunk....she used it to just lift her up enough to slide something underneath her to package her. I dont think she wanted to touch her so she used the shovel.

 

[beckaroozie]

I think your on to something with the use of the shovel....but maybe rather than using it to remove her from the trunk....she used it to just lift her up enough to slide something underneath her to package her. I dont think she wanted to touch her so she used the shovel.

I was just thinking that KC might have USED the shovel she borrowed from the neighbor to dig up Caylee from where she originally buried her in the backyard, and then tossed her over the fence and dug a new grave behind the fence. If she didn't leave with the shovel in her car to go bury her elsewhere, Caylee must be buried at the house or near? That's where I was going with the thought. She probably already had her in a bag or container, as I'm sure she wouldn't have wanted to look at her while she buried her the first time? There's also some kind of runoff pond back there as well...not far from A's home across fence. I wonder if they searched there?

Maybe Casey thought she was smarter than the average bear burying or disposing of her that close to home? Right under everyone's proverbial nose?

 

[rozey]

The theory of her throwing Caylee over the fence and burying her 'close to home', seems plausible. It would fit the idea that Casey is lazy. It brought one thought to mind, the Arm and Hammer Detergent. Has it been clarified whether it was liquid or powdered det? I know we had discussed this way back when. But, it occurred to me that if it was powdered she could have used it to sprinkle on the body/grave. GA said it was the type of det they used. It would have been convenient. How effective it would be, no clue. It would deter animals from digging at the site in the least.
This could also explain the ladder at the pool. I have always thought that the pool was used by Casey to clean up after the deed. She wouldn't have wanted to bring that dirt into the house. Being a semi-clean freak I KNOW when someone has been in the house. In all the videos of A's home with the white carpet and tile, Cindy would have known.
It could tie in with the hits in the backyard if she had removed Caylee's clothes or her own and placed them on the ground before getting in the pool. Someone else mentioned that if she did place a piece of clothing on the ground maybe one of the dogs drug it around. Which could account for the multiple hits.
Just a thought. Wish one of the locals could check it out. With all the rain maybe some of the overburden washed away and exposed something.

 

[passionflower]

What if....what if...she discovered Caylee had died in the trunk, backed her car into the garge, removed Caylee from the car, used the service door on the garage to access the backyard to go unnoticed, and then originally buried her in the backyard (that depression area the cadaver dogs hit on).

Perhaps, she was worried her parents would smell or discover the grave, so she borrowed the neighbor's shovel a few days later, dug her up and then dumped her over the back fence and went back there with the shovel to dig another grave on the backside of the fenced area behind the A's house (Secluded, nobody goes back there, it's undeveloped and inaccessible, except by way of jumping the fence). That's why the dogs 'hit' around the fence??

Does anyone know if the neighbor she borrowed the shovel from said she left the A's house with it?? As in left in her car after borrowing it?

Sheer speculation, I know....but a thought. It would fall in with KC's "She's close to home' statement.

WOW, I think that is great thinking........did LE look over the fence???
Ask local people to check this out atleast for 'clothes'........in 1 pix is that where I saw a dumpster once ???

 

[mom_of_five]

Casey pinged in these two areas which are wooded. Could these mean anything?

On June 23rd she was around this area which is wooded and looks to have a pond as well:

June 29th Casey pinged in this area too and I noticed that she pinged on this area on July 23rd too.

Casey actually pinged ALOT from the Perlieu Place tower...I researched that pretty seriously for a couple days until I realized that it was probably the tower she pinged from when at Tony's. I thought the same thing -- lots of woods and some water...

 

[beckaroozie]

I went and read the police interview of Brian B***** the neighbor to see if anything was mentioned about whether she left the house or not after borrowing the shovel. He said he saw her car backed into the garage, during the day when no one else was home on the 17th, 19th and the 20th.

She borrowed the shovel from him on the 19th and said she had to 'dig up a bamboo root she was tripping over'. She borrowed it at 1:30 and returned it at 2:30 -- AND DIDN'T LEAVE THE HOUSE AT ALL. He didn't see Caylee with her on any of these days. He said the shovel was clean as a whistle when she brought it back to him...almost like it hadn't been used. IDK if she cleaned it in the pool or what. Her car was parked backwards in the garage the whole time she had the shovel. She didn't leave the house.

Maybe she dragged Caylee (the bag) out of the trunk and across the back yard and that's what the dogs smelled? Perhaps she used the ladder to get high enough to hoist her over the fence and then climb over?

She could have cleaned up herself and the shovel in the pool when she got back, and would have had to put the stairs back there in order to do that. Or maybe if she put her in the runoff pond back there she wouldn't have had to use the shovel at all, no cleaning necessary -- she just put the stairs back at the pool from habit.

Just my thoughts. Anyone else?

 

[JaneInOz]

She borrowed the shovel from him on the 19th and said she had to 'dig up a bamboo root she was tripping over'.

Yup cause if I was living with my Dad, thats the first thing I would be doing is borrowing a neighbours shovel to dig up a bamboo root.......UM I THINK NOT ! if i was a party girl like her I wouldn't want my nails getting dirty and I'd be saying 'hey dad can you get rid of that old bamboo root - i keep tripping over it'

It is Their property and NOT hers after all !

Thats a porky if ever i saw one LOL

 

[beckaroozie]

OOoh - I was surfing tonight and found this site that lists out all the individuals of interest in this case and their part/testimony -- http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/whos-who/ This is an excerpt that I found very interesting!!

Dickens, Bailey and Joyce – Anthony’s neighbors. Told Detectives Tom Manderville and Michael Segreaves that on July 19, they had a visit from Kiomarie Torres-Cruz, a former neighbor, whose parents still live in the neighborhood. While visiting with them, Kiomarie mentioned that she had a call from Casey on July 9 and had heard Caylee in the background. She also said Casey had called from a payphone (unsure of date and time). She also said that if Caylee was buried, she was buried by Hidden Oaks Elementary, in the woods where they used to hang out. The Dickens encouraged her to contact LE. Detective Segreaves contacted Appling Wells, who said she had spoken with Kiomarie.

Reference my earlier post (#70) in this thread.

 

[Pink Panther]

beckaroozie - Kiomarie's interview was released with the first set of documents. I believe that the area she mentions WAS searched by LE.