New Time Line - Smell in the car?

[beckaroozie]

beckaroozie - Kiomarie's interview was released with the first set of documents. I believe that the area she mentions WAS searched by LE.

You're right pink (and thanks) -- I did see that later down that list on the website after I posted. Kiomaria had led LE to the area she was talking about being their hideout. Wonder how well they searched? That's a big area with woods on both sides. Actually leads back to the open ground and retention pond behind the A's house.

One more thing -- there is an ex-bf or someone who lives in the neighborhood (long-time friend) who said he saw her 'jogging' down Chickasaw Trail on (I think) 7/18. He texted her and asked her if that was her jogging on CT and she said 'no'. Do you think she is the type to jog? I don't.

Perhaps she 'jogged' down to that school area to check to make sure nothing had been discovered and that the burial site was still in tact? So she didn't have to bring/park her car that would be noticed? Just a leisurely 'jog'? (yawn stretch).

 

[Intermezzo]

Willen~ Do you know what these areas consist of? Or major rd names?

Hi
Not sure if it's been answered or addressed.
That is the corner of Forsyth and University Blvd. Not far from Full Sail University and Tony L's apartment.
The large building in the bottom right is a Costco, the smaller one is Chik Fil A.
There is also a large Sears Service/Parts Outlet center across from Costco on Forsyth which is not visible on the maps.
This is a very busy intersection/roadway and Forsyth between Aloma and University is more industrial.

 

[passionflower]

OOoh - I was surfing tonight and found this site that lists out all the individuals of interest in this case and their part/testimony -- http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/whos-who/ This is an excerpt that I found very interesting!!

Dickens, Bailey and Joyce – Anthony’s neighbors. Told Detectives Tom Manderville and Michael Segreaves that on July 19, they had a visit from Kiomarie Torres-Cruz, a former neighbor, whose parents still live in the neighborhood. While visiting with them, Kiomarie mentioned that she had a call from Casey on July 9 and had heard Caylee in the background. She also said Casey had called from a payphone (unsure of date and time). She also said that if Caylee was buried, she was buried by Hidden Oaks Elementary, in the woods where they used to hang out. The Dickens encouraged her to contact LE. Detective Segreaves contacted Appling Wells, who said she had spoken with Kiomarie.

Reference my earlier post (#70) in this thread.

Did TES search this area, or just some local LE???

 

[Intermezzo]

Florida seems to have as much water as land, doesn't it?

LOL Yes alot.
But what most think are natural lakes or ponds are really man made called "Retention Ponds or basins" they are used to manage stormwater runoff to help prevent flooding of roadways etc...when it rains.

 

[passionflower]

I went and read the police interview of Brian B***** the neighbor to see if anything was mentioned about whether she left the house or not after borrowing the shovel. He said he saw her car backed into the garage, during the day when no one else was home on the 17th, 19th and the 20th.

She borrowed the shovel from him on the 19th and said she had to 'dig up a bamboo root she was tripping over'. She borrowed it at 1:30 and returned it at 2:30 -- AND DIDN'T LEAVE THE HOUSE AT ALL. He didn't see Caylee with her on any of these days. He said the shovel was clean as a whistle when she brought it back to him...almost like it hadn't been used. IDK if she cleaned it in the pool or what. Her car was parked backwards in the garage the whole time she had the shovel. She didn't leave the house.

Maybe she dragged Caylee (the bag) out of the trunk and across the back yard and that's what the dogs smelled? Perhaps she used the ladder to get high enough to hoist her over the fence and then climb over?

She could have cleaned up herself and the shovel in the pool when she got back, and would have had to put the stairs back there in order to do that. Or maybe if she put her in the runoff pond back there she wouldn't have had to use the shovel at all, no cleaning necessary -- she just put the stairs back at the pool from habit.

Just my thoughts. Anyone else?

THe words DIG UP popped in my mind..........is this the day she dug Caylee back up after burying her briefly in the back yard and transported her TO the trunk??????? MOO

 

[beckaroozie]

Oooh -- that's a good thought Passion!

But if she had her car backed into the A's garage for 3 days in a row (and borrowed the shovel) -- she was doing something in the trunk...so I think she was taking Caylee out of the trunk then and cleaning it up, but that doesn't preclude her from having moved her again on 7/18.

The only thing though -- if KC killed her (or Caylee died) on 6/16, as everyone thinks, then she would have been in the trunk the 2.6 days (shown from decomp forensics) when KC borrowed the shovel to take her out of trunk and bury her that first time on 6/19. If she dug her up again after that, do you think that decomp forensics would have shown something else? Surely she couldn't have moved her again without more bodily fluid transfer into the trunk?

 

[WillenFan21]

There wasn't that big of a stain in the trunk though so I don't think Caylees body laid in there for days and days. The fence theory is very plausible!

 

[cocoamom]

The car was parked at the Amscott starting on the night of the 26th, late night. It was towed from the Amscott on the 30th and was on the tow yard lot from then on until George and Cindy collected it. Casey would have had to have had the body out of the car by the 30th at the latest, unless, as I saw over in another thread, Caylee was in the car when George and Cindy picked it up, but not visible, and was UNDER the carpet and the trunk liner in the spare tire space and they found her when THEY got home...which I doubt simply because of Cindy's "It smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car" statement on the 911 call. The body could have been in there, though, from the 16th up until the car was abandoned and that would have been close to 2 weeks...so it is worth looking into.

I personally believe she could have been in the car when she ran out of gas and she tossed her into the dumpster there or near there, as she had no choice and could not just leave her there...

Hmmmm How about this?

Death on 16th body stored in A's back yard.

Due to rigor, couldn't move body for a couple days but it has to be moved or it may be found.

2.6 days after death, body put in trunk in say garbage bag but during transfer into trunk a "spill" happens.

Body moved to another location

26th - that 2nd location is approaching the end of the month and body has to be moved again or it will be found. Body was at this location from about 18th to 26th.

Body put into wheel well/spare tire place in trunk in anticipation of moving to final place.

Car runs out of gas. Body still in trunk. Tried to get gas to complete mission.

30th car towed

15th car retrieved (19 days) with body still in wheel well/spare tire hole.

Body removed and disposed of by ______(fill in blank with someone other than KC).

 

[flnana]

You're right pink (and thanks) -- I did see that later down that list on the website after I posted. Kiomaria had led LE to the area she was talking about being their hideout. Wonder how well they searched? That's a big area with woods on both sides. Actually leads back to the open ground and retention pond behind the A's house.

One more thing -- there is an ex-bf or someone who lives in the neighborhood (long-time friend) who said he saw her 'jogging' down Chickasaw Trail on (I think) 7/18. He texted her and asked her if that was her jogging on CT and she said 'no'. Do you think she is the type to jog? I don't.

In the latest document dump CA said that KC ran track. Maybe she did jog?? It was when the agent asked her about KC being competitive and she said she ran cross country and it was more of a "team effort" than individual competitiveness.
Is the school near Suburban Rd (Dr?) where the teenagers found the buried rope? It was never mentioned what was found at the end of the rope, if anything.
I hope I did this correctly--1st post.
I just previewed--how do you keep it from being too long for the screen?

 

[AZlawyer]

You're right pink (and thanks) -- I did see that later down that list on the website after I posted. Kiomaria had led LE to the area she was talking about being their hideout. Wonder how well they searched? That's a big area with woods on both sides. Actually leads back to the open ground and retention pond behind the A's house.

One more thing -- there is an ex-bf or someone who lives in the neighborhood (long-time friend) who said he saw her 'jogging' down Chickasaw Trail on (I think) 7/18. He texted her and asked her if that was her jogging on CT and she said 'no'. Do you think she is the type to jog? I don't.

In the latest document dump CA said that KC ran track. Maybe she did jog?? It was when the agent asked her about KC being competitive and she said she ran cross country and it was more of a "team effort" than individual competitiveness.
Is the school near Suburban Rd (Dr?) where the teenagers found the buried rope? It was never mentioned what was found at the end of the rope, if anything.
I hope I did this correctly--1st post.
I just previewed--how do you keep it from being too long for the screen?

It was Chris S**** who thought he saw her jogging. He told LE it was on 7/15/08, but based on his text message to KC asking if she was jogging, it was early morning on 7/14/08.

 

[flnana]

Is this the same Chris who returned a bag of Caylee's clothes to CA?

 

[Recovering-Lurker]

OOoh - I was surfing tonight and found this site that lists out all the individuals of interest in this case and their part/testimony -- http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/whos-who/ This is an excerpt that I found very interesting!!

Dickens, Bailey and Joyce – Anthony’s neighbors. Told Detectives Tom Manderville and Michael Segreaves that on July 19, they had a visit from Kiomarie Torres-Cruz, a former neighbor, whose parents still live in the neighborhood. While visiting with them, Kiomarie mentioned that she had a call from Casey on July 9 and had heard Caylee in the background. She also said Casey had called from a payphone (unsure of date and time). She also said that if Caylee was buried, she was buried by Hidden Oaks Elementary, in the woods where they used to hang out. The Dickens encouraged her to contact LE. Detective Segreaves contacted Appling Wells, who said she had spoken with Kiomarie.

Reference my earlier post (#70) in this thread.

And isn't this the same place where the 5 people found the rope and what looked like a shallow grave? Their statements were in the latest doc dump.

 

[Recovering-Lurker]

Is this the same Chris who returned a bag of Caylee's clothes to CA?

Yes. There still hasn't been an explanation of why he had them in the first place.

 

[flnana]

Yes. There still hasn't been an explanation of why he had them in the first place.

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If he knew KC well enough to have Caylee's clothes it would seem that he would recognize her if he saw her running. That is a little weird. I wonder what happened to the clothes he returned? I know there was a Dora swim suit that had the a life jacket sewn inside it, but I don't remember what else was mentioned. It does make me curious as to why he would have them--also, how long had he had them?

 

[Crafti]

Very interesting posts here, knowing what we know now. "Close to home", Kio Marie, the Meter Reader, many of us. Things you are looking for always seem to be right under your nose, but you just can't see them because you're looking too hard.

I wish LE hadn't been so bombed with soooo many "sightings", and the crowds and media frenzy. Maybe they could have put it together and found her sooner. Would have been interesting if this forum had created a thread for each of the most likely "possible locations of the body" and see which location had the most response too. I guess that could have exploded into 100 threads - but maybe not.

 

[Stocirpa]

Since the forensic report clearly indicated that the body placed in the car trunk had been in an early stage of decomposition (up to two days after death), the June 16-18 time span appears to be correct.

 

[spyhouston]

As of now, late January, I'm wondering if the car still has the decomp smell.

 

[Noway]

Is this the same Chris who returned a bag of Caylee's clothes to CA?

Yes. There still hasn't been an explanation of why he had them in the first place.

I thought Caylee and Casey spent the day at his parent's house with him and they were swimming? Casey left the wet swimsuit and some other items.

I'm trying to find where I read that and will put link here as soon as I can.

 

[austin-215]

As of now, late January, I'm wondering if the car still has the decomp smell.

you bet it is, once the bodily fluids escape, the odor is permeated into everything it touches. you cannot get it out.

 

[waiting4change]

you bet it is, once the bodily fluids escape, the odor is permeated into everything it touches. you cannot get it out.

So then it is safe to say that the clothing that LE confiscated with the stains could actually smell like decomp? If in fact that was what caused the stain. That would be great evidence to come out.....wonder if the family would then still want to blame somebody else?:waitasec: