New Years Eve (Party)

[BeanE]

Okay Clint saw two cases of beer going in and missed seeing a party.

Two cases of beer from across a feild are lot harder to see than a party. The beer went in the back door and the party came in the front.
I Wonder why the beer didnt go in with the party ,in the front door near where the drive way is?
IMO He said he didnt see a party because he didnt think what he did see was a party.

bbm. Well, I think your conclusion is incorrect. I think he said he didn't see a party, because from his front door, he could only see Billie's door - not inside her house.

LE said in a sworn affidavit that the information they received was that Billie and Shawn hosted a party. I'm going to go by what LE said unless and until they change it.

And, btw, Billie's boyfriend didn't say (see affidavit I posted upthread) that family came over to support and console Billie and nobody drank alcohol. What LE swears in the affidavit that Shawn said is that they had people over for drinks for New Year's Eve. That's a party to me, and supports what LE says.

I don't know how BD "lied" about this NE "party?" She described what was going on at her house that night, and I haven't seen where BD referred to that night as a party. Did I miss something?

We can look at the information available, and I guess we each have to decide for ourselves whether LE lied, all the people who gave LE info about the party lied, Shawn lied, or Billie lied.

It's clear, to me, based on the information currently available, that Billie lied. Your mileage, of course, may vary.

 

[Zoe Bogart]

I don't know about Texas, but in Montana where I grew up, family and friends and neighbors would rally around and everybody would bring food and/or beverage. My family happens to be non-drinking but lots of folks weren't. Fire, funeral, somebody seriously ill in the hospital -- it's all met with people gathering with food and support. It looks like a party to outsiders but that's not what's going on.

Also, some people cope by trying to maintain the routine as much as possible. By trying to keep things "normal."

Note that I'm not saying what I think of this particular person, but the description of the non-party rings true to me.

That is true, especially in small towns. I have family and friends who live in small towns and that's what the locals do when there's an illness or death in the family. Lots of food for everyone. In fact, the country relatives have done that for we city folks when we've have deaths, they brought themselves plus food.

In Hailey's case, did the family or friends bring them food and drink between Tuesday and Thursday that week, or did they conveniently wait for New Year's Eve?

My son died three days before Christmas and believe me, we weren't in a holiday mood. My sister begged us to go to her house on Christmas because her children were small and wanted to see us, plus they had moved into their new house which we hadn't seen yet. So we went, wearing our new Christmas color, black, which we wore for many Christmases after that. It was a very somber holiday.

I can't imagine how anyone could entertain on New Year's Eve when a child has just "disappeared". :shakehead:

Question is, did people come over with food and stuff before and after New Year's Eve? Or did they just drop by on that one particular night to comfort Billie in her time of need? Why no other time?

I agree with Bessie, the jovial atmosphere never follows the death or mysterious disappearance of a child.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

JMO but I am guessing that LE has done interviews with other people that were at BD's home NYE and from those other peoples interviews along with BD's and SA's interviews, LE felt comfortable enough to call it a party and to bring attention to it in an affidavit that would be presented to a judge.......I could be wrong.

 

[carbuff]

Whether BD thought it was a party and whether SA thought it was a party could also be two widely differing perceptions. That doesn't make either of them a liar, though it does present some interesting questions.

Back when I was around 10-12, several of my grandparents' relatives died rather close together, which was very distressing for the older people. But the bunch of cousins the same age as me and my brother thought it was great. We thought of it as, and treated it as, a party. Which clearly our elders weren't.

I just can't find anything sinister about BD's behavior here. It's human nature to interact with people who are around you. It's human nature to have changeable and conflicting emotions. Even if it was a party, I couldn't automatically fault her -- it's perfectly natural to think, "I'm gonna crack if I sit here staring at the phone, I have to take my mind off what could be happening to her or I'll go insane." It might not be the most common reaction, but it's well within the range of normal human behavior.

It would be easy for me to sit here and say what I would do "if" -- but it isn't me and I don't know what I'd do. I can't even imagine.

 

[Quiche]

I don't know how BD "lied" about this NE "party?" She described what was going on at her house that night, and I haven't seen where BD referred to that night as a party. Did I miss something?

She obfuscated about the beer consumption. Shawn had one or two, no mention of anyone else... certainly deflecting away from the fact that two cases were there. jmo

eta: I don't care that people were over, I am insulted by her whitewashing when the truth would serve just as well.

 

[passionflower]

Snip from the Search Affidavit:

this says 'friends' and BD says aunt, uncle, their grandchild, BOTH of her brothers .........which is it???

 

[passionflower]

(((((HUGS))))) TO YOU ZOE B
We lost a nephew tradgically on Christmas eve and I understand.......we had dozens of donuts & comfort foods, friends and family walking around like zombies for weeks.

 

[carbuff]

She obfuscated about the beer consumption. Shawn had one or two, no mention of anyone else... certainly deflecting away from the fact that two cases were there. jmo

eta: I don't care that people were over, I am insulted by her whitewashing when the truth would serve just as well.

She's vague about the beer consumption. If they are a family that drinks beer the way mine drinks water, it's quite likely not something she paid much attention to. People don't notice what's ordinary.

 

[hollyblue]

If there was a couple of cases of beer brought into the home, why did she lie about how many were consumed?

She was concealing what went on, that's why there are suspicions. jmo

If Shawn was the one who purchased the 2 cases and brought them in....then a party atomsphere was anticipated.

If the family brought it in with them... they were expecting a party atomsphere.............very, very tacky....imo...BD may not have known this was going to happen. Shawn....if had any decency, should have said something in her defense.

I was present at my mother's house when she passed along with other relatives and there were some insensitive words spoken which I overheard. I never said anything at the time because I was still numb just hours after her passing and her fight was now over, but was shocked just the same because that person was the one I thought I could lean on. I don't view that person in the same light....to me it was shameful.

 

[carbuff]

Ahah! I just realized one thing that's going on. For many people, the only time alcoholic beverages are normally consumed is at a party, and beer is counted as an alcoholic beverage.

But in a lot of households, especially in the west and south and in working-class areas, beer is just there. People get home from work and pop a beer to drink while they flop in front of the TV news or poke around the kitchen getting supper. They pop a beer while they watch the hockey game in the evening. They carry one with them to the outfield during the company softball game. And the people involved aren't necessarily alcoholics, either.

In that kind of family, I can imagine a conversation something like this -- totally made up, but along these lines:

B: "Honey, can you stop on the way home and pick up some beer? We're out and my aunt's coming over for the evening."

S: "Your brother said he was coming over too. Also (whoever)."

B: "With that many adults, we're gonna go through at least a case. Better get two."

 

[Soulmagent]

this says 'friends' and BD says aunt, uncle, their grandchild, BOTH of her brothers .........which is it???

Maybe SA thinks they are his friends? I dated guys who called my family their friends. I didnt date alot of guys but the ones who became friends to my family still are.

 

[Melanie]

I can only speak from experience, and that isn't that of a missing child, just a very ill mother. Mum got sick on 12/24, there was no Christmas. I rushed to her side and stayed there until she passed on 1/14. I don't recall a NYE, let alone celebrating it. I think me and my bro ordered room service at the wee hours. But I do have to confess, after mom passed - I got blazingly drunk - black out drunk. I was so ashamed of myself, I haven't done that since. I wanted to numb it, make the pain go away. Anything to escape.

I know people react differently - I know that! I didn't paint walls, I didn't sit on the couch and watch tele. I paced, I cried, I talked to anyone who could help my mom.

My brother, otoh, chose to watch movies on his computer - that was his way of dealing with losing his mother.

SO -- is BJD already in the grief stage? Instead of pacing the floors, acting like a crazy mad woman, she is much more passive than I would expect for the mother of a missing child. You probably couldn't peel me off the walls. But that's just me.

MOOOOOO

Mel

 

[daisy7]

Information was also obtained that ADKINS and Billie DUNN hosted a New Years Eve party at their home after Hailey DUNN had been reported missing. ADKINS downplayed the “party” stating they just had a few friends over to the house to have drinks for New Years Eve.

Affidavit

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/image...page/nxd_media/dox/pdf/2011_01/Affidavit .PDF

Interesting that Shawn didn't say oh it was just some family members of Billie's that came over to show her support that night and nobody drank any alcohol.

Instead he says they had several friends over, specifically to have drinks for New Year's Eve.

He didn't say several friends came over, he said a few friends came over. I don't believe that LE is lying about what they were told, but I do find it interesting that they did not name the source of the info.

Not to mention that, this was an affidavit for a search warrant, which means LE would include anything negative they could so they would get the warrant.

 

[hollyblue]

Ahah! I just realized one thing that's going on. For many people, the only time alcoholic beverages are normally consumed is at a party, and beer is counted as an alcoholic beverage.

But in a lot of households, especially in the west and south and in working-class areas, beer is just there. People get home from work and pop a beer to drink while they flop in front of the TV news or poke around the kitchen getting supper. They pop a beer while they watch the hockey game in the evening. They carry one with them to the outfield during the company softball game. And the people involved aren't necessarily alcoholics, either.

In that kind of family, I can imagine a conversation something like this -- totally made up, but along these lines:

B: "Honey, can you stop on the way home and pick up some beer? We're out and my aunt's coming over for the evening."

S: "Your brother said he was coming over too. Also (whoever)."

B: "With that many adults, we're gonna go through at least a case. Better get two."

The examples you have given are mainly entertainment....not a situation of a missing child....and even an alcoholic can have some sort of sensitivity.

imo.

 

[BeanE]

He didn't say several friends came over, he said a few friends came over.

Yes, I know he said 'few'. I quoted it upthread. Where I said 'several', I was speaking (writing), using my own words, not his. I thought it was obvious I was not quoting, but just talkin'.

 

[daisy7]

Yes, I know he said 'few'. I quoted it upthread. Where I said 'several', I was speaking (writing), using my own words, not his. I thought it was obvious I was not quoting, but just talkin'.

Thanks for clarifying, because it wasn't obvious to me. We all have our own interpretations about words, but I'm sure you'll agree that there is a difference between several and few. :blowkiss:

 

[tehcloser]

Well, BD's bro, DO who has been named in the MSM, and the one who failed at least one poly, maybe 2...was bonded out of jail on NYD. BD said he was at her house NYE, so I don't think it's a stretch to think he got pulled over NYE and he is prolly' where the info about the party came from.

 

[burbqueen]

I cant understand party or non-party party. Whatever. I wouldnt attend if it was me. I would be there the next day to show support. I'm a serious type A personality and I am a doer and God help me if my son went missing. I would be out looking myself everyday

 

[Soulmagent]

Well, BD's bro, DO who has been named in the MSM, and the one who failed at least one poly, maybe 2...was bonded out of jail on NYD. BD said he was at her house NYE, so I don't think it's a stretch to think he got pulled over NYE and he is prolly' where the info about the party came from.

I wouldnt think it reaching to include anyone who can see there house either. CJ is who I think told LE there was a party. I think she said it based on her style of dealing with the events of the last 2 months. Reaching out to NG, reaching out to Blog radio, To say some shocking things. I would be very shocked if she hasnt reached out to say things to investigators.

 

[Jacie Estes]

Whether it was party, gathering of family or vigil on NYE, the possibility that 'some' in that house had knowledge that others didn't concerning Hailey's whereabouts is creepy.

The imaginary elephant in that room had to be almost oppressive to the atmosphere; better question would be 'what was the convo over the flash drive at a later time?'.

When children are missing for a few hours or a day it is difficult, when they have been gone several days it should be heart rending.